Two more collectors for early period

[CountZero]

atleast we will know what they are sone, unlike whats next DLC lol

[MAJ_stug41]

2 hours ago, Hotaru_Ito said:

 

Sounded to me like they meant "earlier modules" not "earlier in the war." So that doesn't really rule out late stuff like Ta-152, 109G-10, etc.

ya, could be a translation issue. "Earlier" meaning "previous". Would welcome an end-war east, G-10 and bunch of other good stuff, but a 152 has no purpose in this game presently. If there were a reason to go to where a 152 makes sense, then thatd be a good addition.

[Avimimus]

2 hours ago, 56RAF_Stickz said:

any mosquito bomber variant

 

Yes! How could I miss that! I also recall that there was a pretty good argument for the B Mk IX as a kind-of compromise between the IV and the XVI.

 

  

5 hours ago, CUJO_1970 said:

 

Going back to the stream, "earlier" could refer in /context to the particular question being answered/ not to earlier war period but to theaters that have already been completed "earlier" i.e - anything already finished.

 

Well that really throws open the field. I'd personally prefer a couple of pre-1944 aircraft... but that is just me... I gradually grew out of seeing the late war as having the primary appeal.

 

Going in the other direction - we could really do with some engine variants for a few of the Flying Circus aircraft...

[zan64]

5 hours ago, stug41 said:

ya, could be a translation issue. "Earlier" meaning "previous". Would welcome an end-war east, G-10 and bunch of other good stuff, but a 152 has no purpose in this game presently. If there were a reason to go to where a 152 makes sense, then thatd be a good addition.

the G-10 I doubt because one would think they'd keep it in reserve for a potential ostfront 45 expansion (even if next expansion is burma or whatever)

 

one might be an early spitfire for BoN map, or maybe even a MkI Mustang. make a lot of sense for pre-invasion campaigns like PWCG

Edited November 10, 2022 by zan64

[Guster]

11 hours ago, Alexmarine said:

I wouldn't be surprised if one ends up being an early Spit Mk.IX with engine mods to make it 1942/1944 available 

 

That would make a whole lot of sense. Personally I'd rather have a Mk II with eight Brownings though for Rhubarbs and convoy patrol.

[danielprates]

13 hours ago, sevenless said:

Yak-1 early and Lagg-3 early would make sense and could be used on other maps as well. 109E4  not so much

 

But isnt that a bit underwhelming for a collector's plane? You know, we pay on the side for those and they are normally a thing apart. Unless they are planning a sort of 'discount collector's plane'. I cant see myself or others paying too much for another yak, an early one at that.

[sevenless]

5 minutes ago, danielprates said:

 

But isnt that a bit underwhelming for a collector's plane? You know, we pay on the side for those and they are normally a thing apart. Unless they are planning a sort of 'discount collector's plane'. I cant see myself or others paying too much for another yak, an early one at that.

 

I don't think so. They sell a Spitfire Mk XIVe bubble top for a reason. I can imagine there is a market for early Yak-1 and Lagg-3 as well and remember they also sold Yak-9 and Yak-9T separately.

Edited November 10, 2022 by sevenless

[Killroy-98]

This game is doomed if they just keep giving us fighter variants, (I know I wont buy them) I'm not asking for B-17s but a smaller bomber or more variety in attack aircraft would be nice, I mean the US and Britain don't even have dedicated bombers for their maps yet! Its all just multi purpose fighters and its getting kind of lame. The team need to focus on making the B-25 flyable IMHO.

[danielprates]

30 minutes ago, sevenless said:

 

I don't think so. They sell a Spitfire Mk XIVe bubble top for a reason. I can imagine there is a market for early Yak-1 and Lagg-3 as well and remember they also sold Yak-9 and Yak-9T separately.

 

My thinking is, same(ish) 3d model but different engines, weapons etc, that is different enough. Like the D9 was a perfect collectors plane, being different enough to the other 190s. Same goes for spitfires. Now a yak with maybe a different machinegun caliber or some other small difference, wellhmmmIdunno... (mumbles).

 

Then again, it could be a decent market strategy to release not so unique but cheaper planes every now and then. Not everything has to be the first operational jet or some other landmark. Heck I would pay to have the Stuvi on the stukas!

[Rjel]

14 hours ago, sevenless said:

 

True. A Spitfire LF Mk. IXC would perfectly fit into BoN and BoBP. Could very well be the case.

 

Yes please. I'll buy two. Really I would.

[Lusekofte]

What it means is they gonna remove load out options like bombs and Malcolm hood. 
then make us pay for the versions. 
If they go DCS module business with separate maps and planes. They better know what is expected. For my sake another spit, 109 , 190  or yak ? won’t be interesting

a soviet doubledecker would’ve , or a Stuka B 

I would buy a cockpit for the bombardier in the A 20. 
I would pay for new parameters on engine dm. 

[sevenless]

21 minutes ago, 216th_Lusekofte said:

What it means is they gonna remove load out options like bombs and Malcolm hood. 
then make us pay for the versions. 
If they go DCS module business with separate maps and planes. They better know what is expected. For my sake another spit, 109 , 190  or yak ? won’t be interesting

a soviet doubledecker would’ve , or a Stuka B 

I would buy a cockpit for the bombardier in the A 20. 
I would pay for new parameters on engine dm. 

 

Well, obviously it all comes down to personal preferences. What is a gaming benefit for you might not be relevant to others and vice versa. At the end of the day they need to stay afloat economically. The market will take care of that.

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, sevenless said:

 

Well, obviously it all comes down to personal preferences. What is a gaming benefit for you might not be relevant to others and vice versa. At the end of the day they need to stay afloat economically. The market will take care of that.

This smell Luthier ambitions all over. I have seen to much of it in the past, making me king of scepticism 

[sevenless]

3 minutes ago, 216th_Lusekofte said:

This smell Luthier ambitions all over. I have seen to much of it in the past, making me king of scepticism 

 

That's all good to keep skeptical. I am glad that I personally did not buy into that crowdfunding idea back then when it happened. I guess we will see clear for this developer before x-mas. Until then all else will be speculation.

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, sevenless said:

 

That's all good to keep skeptical. I am glad that I personally did not buy into that crowdfunding idea back then when it happened. I guess we will see clear for this developer before x-mas. Until then all else will be speculation.

Well 

I start to get a bit fed up about this hype. They started the work, it is totally up to them what to do, they obviously know what to do. 
why this secrecy’s. 

If they going to build a early Eastfront scenario in a new game engine I would love to fly a more complex IL 2 in a more complex environment. I am not really negative. 
But when they went from old IL 2 to birds of prey I got the chills. And I kind of am in the same mode here. Because better what?

graphics only ? Not interested, it got to be worth it if from scratch

[Koziolek]

6 minutes ago, 216th_Lusekofte said:

Because better what?

graphics only ? 

Performance too, hopefully. I think they know they cannot squeeze anything more from the current one. Their answer ( or lack of it) to the TD question was a complete crap

Like they said: graphics and performance may be OK for now but in a few years they will be behind. So that's good they think ahead

[sevenless]

9 minutes ago, 216th_Lusekofte said:

Well 

I start to get a bit fed up about this hype. They started the work, it is totally up to them what to do, they obviously know what to do. 
why this secrecy’s. 

If they going to build a early Eastfront scenario in a new game engine I would love to fly a more complex IL 2 in a more complex environment. I am not really negative. 
But when they went from old IL 2 to birds of prey I got the chills. And I kind of am in the same mode here. Because better what?

graphics only ? Not interested, it got to be worth it if from scratch

 

For me personally it is all about single player. No believable career-mode results in no sale. Not interested in some kind of online Quake Flightsim here.

[DBS]

Early Stuka, 109 E, and a mk.1 spit and hurricane.

 

I mean we have the map?  

[FliegerAD]

14 hours ago, stug41 said:

ya, could be a translation issue. "Earlier" meaning "previous".

 

Indeed. I also thought it meant collector aircraft for previously released modules, rather than for a new module.

 

That could well be early war. Or anything else up to Bodenplatte. Hopefully one allied and one axis plane.

 

I personally hope for another Ju 88 Zerstörer, preferably the fast C-5, and a new P-39.

[Gustav_Hagel]

I suspect we might see an I-153, it's too meaningful to just be overlooked during early war on Eastern Front, besides we are not sure if there will be an axis collector plane, we could also have an I-15bis, early Yak or LaGG. My hopes is that we have at least a bomber  as SB, DB-3, IL-4, Su-2 or other variants of Ju 87.

 

It's unlikely we will see a 109 E-4, those were already converted/modernized to E-7s, and we already have them in the other sim, just like Spits and Hurricane Mk I.

[CUJO_1970]

22 hours ago, sevenless said:

 

True. A Spitfire LF Mk. IXC would perfectly fit into BoN and BoBP. Could very well be the case.

 

 

It did seem to me this is what they were talking about - so maybe we see for example a Spitfire collector package with all of these things and more.

 

I would support the hell out of something like that.

8 hours ago, 216th_Lusekofte said:

What it means is they gonna remove load out options like bombs and Malcolm hood.

 

That's not what Han said. He said they will continue to do with collectors as they've done in the past.

 

Nobody had to pay for bombs or Malcolm hood separately in the past.

 

Now with that being said - it is true there will be some planes like 109 and 190 that will seem this way I guess due to massive amount of variants/options for those planes...I've been outspoken about the things left off of the 190A (too many to list) and 109 (especially /AS variants) but the bottom line is what the market will bear and I will absolutely pay for those separately, if I must.

 

In cases like that, you just have to be a realist. We are a niche market and the team is a business that must make money. Give me what I want and I'll pay for it as well as some stuff I don't.

[Avimimus]

10 hours ago, danielprates said:

But isnt that a bit underwhelming for a collector's plane? You know, we pay on the side for those and they are normally a thing apart. Unless they are planning a sort of 'discount collector's plane'. I cant see myself or others paying too much for another yak, an early one at that.

 

I think the case is more obvious for the LaGG-3... one of the earliest variants could carry an extra heavy machine-gun and two light machine-guns (for a total four machine guns and one cannon clustered in the nose) - which provides it with the heaviest firepower of early war Soviet Fighters. The late variants had wing mounted slats which gives it handling that is much closer to that of a La-5...

 

For those of us who grew up with only English language sources, I can see it not being that exciting - but the possible benefits and excitement must really be there for those whose grandparents fought on the Soviet side and grew up visiting Russian museums etc.

 

2 hours ago, SCG_Gustav_Hagel said:

I suspect we might see an I-153, it's too meaningful to just be overlooked during early war on Eastern Front, besides we are not sure if there will be an axis collector plane, we could also have an I-15bis, early Yak or LaGG. My hopes is that we have at least a bomber  as SB, DB-3, IL-4, Su-2 or other variants of Ju 87.

 

Yes, and the I-153 remained relevant into 1943 as a ground attack aircraft (especially in mountainous terrain i.e. Kuban).

 

If I were them I'd probably have gone the 'anniversary edition'/'upgrade pack' route - that way one could release a set of six new aircraft together - which would encourage more revenue... and that would also make it easier to risk the expense of producing a bomber as part of it (I'm not sure a bomber would be a safe choice for a Collector Aircraft given the added expense of multiple cockpits and the fact that less people fly them - although I could see a third party stepping in anyway).

 

I do see the benefit of adding one though (especially as Russia lacks a larger medium - the Il-4 or Tu-2 would significantly increase bombing power).

Edited November 10, 2022 by Avimimus

[Calos_01]

On 11/9/2022 at 9:16 PM, sevenless said:

True. A Spitfire LF Mk. IXC would perfectly fit into BoN and BoBP. Could very well be the case.

I hope we can get this variant of spitfire mk V ?:

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

Something for Barbarossa ... I-15 / I153 

[Hoss]

Early Italian Fighters and Bombers. And gap maps..... connect BoN to  BoBP. If people will buy maps in DCS I imagine it would be a piece of cake here too.

 

Hoss

[AEthelraedUnraed]

9 hours ago, Hoss said:

And gap maps..... connect BoN to  BoBP.

Well, that's certainly never gonna happen. There's perhaps a week of ground combat between the two maps.

[Guster]

Collector Maps could be a thing. If we're not going Med, I'd really love to se just a small fictional desert map where we can walk the catwalk with all those lovely desert skins we've got. Something like the Lapino map without the two center airfields would do just fine.

[sevenless]

11 hours ago, Calos_01 said:

I hope we can get this variant of spitfire mk V ?:

 

Well with Spitfires its the same as with Yaks and 109s. You can't have enough of them. LF Mk Vb (45M, 50M, 55M), Mk VI, Mk VIII, early Mk IXc, Mk XII, etc...

 

Spitfire LF MK Vb clipped wings (EP 120) here:

 

 

Edited November 11, 2022 by sevenless

[Robli]

I expect B-25 to be one of the announced collector planes. 

[Hotaru_Ito]

10 minutes ago, Robli said:

I expect B-25 to be one of the announced collector planes. 

 

Unfortunately, they specifically said flyable B-25 and -26 would only happen if a third-party dev took on the project. So it's pretty much for sure neither of those is one of the new collectors.

 

Might be an outside possibility of A-20G though.

[sevenless]

13 minutes ago, Robli said:

I expect B-25 to be one of the announced collector planes. 

 

Ain´t gonna happen. No ressources to do the interiors. They mentioned that in the stream.

[Hotaru_Ito]

1 minute ago, sevenless said:

Ain´t gonna happen. No ressources to do the interiors. They mentioned that in the stream.

 

I do wonder if whichever dev is doing the C-47 (Ugra Media, I think?) might consider it after that project is done. Got to think flyable B-25 and/or -26 would sell at least as well, although there's a lot more interior to model if they want all the gun turrets usable.

 

B-25H would get them off the hook for the nose gun/bombardier station at least.

Edited November 11, 2022 by Hotaru_Ito

[sevenless]

1 minute ago, Hotaru_Ito said:

 

I do wonder if whichever dev is doing the C-47 (Ugra Media, I think?) might consider it after that project is done. Got to think flyable B-25 and/or -26 would sell at least as well, although there's a lot more interior to model if they want all the gun turrets usable.

 

B-25H would get them off the hook for the nose gun/bombardier station at least.

 

ImHO they should, before everything else, make the A-20 we already have since BoK, flyable for UK/US. The next low hanging fruit would be an A20G, which was used with VVS and US and then get the B-25 outsourced to Ugra. Yes, I agree, a flyable B-25 most likely would sell comparable as a C-47.

[Letka_13/Arrow_]

I also think that Normandy needs some earlier variants of Spitfire Mk IXc and some more mods for the Mk Vb. I think that the IXc was the real workhorse of RAF and would be beneficial in many scenarios practically till the end of the war.

[czech693]

Wow, everyone is writing their Christmas wish lists.

 

I interpret variant to mean no new airframe or major change to an airframe.  My money is on a Ju-87B and an A-20G.  The Ju-87B soldiered on because the D had production delays.  It would only require some minor changes.  The A-20G was supplied in a large quantity to the soviets, and although it would require a airframe change to the nose, cockpit, and a turret that wouldn't be a lot of effort.  Much as I would like to see the Hs-123, I-15 and I-153, those are new airframes.  Spit I, Hurri I and 109E-4 are BoB aircraft and they said they were staying away from that becaue of CLOD, plus the Normandy map doesn't include the major combat areas of London and north of the Thames.

Edited November 12, 2022 by czech693
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[percydanvers]

My guess at this point would be the Su-2. Although it was discontinued in 1942, the sheer number of them in service at the start of the war made them a pretty significant part of the VVS in the early eastern front that we haven't seen. 

EDIT: oh wait I forgot about the variant stipulation. Yeah I have no idea.

Edited November 11, 2022 by percydanvers

[Hien-0_1*]

... according to the Romanian IAR 80/81 one Hungarian MÁVAG Héja (Reggiane Re.2000)??

 

[PatrickAWlson]

On 11/9/2022 at 2:04 PM, Hotaru_Ito said:

As much as I'd love an I-15 or Hs-123, I'm pretty sure he said they're variants. I'm rooting for P-38F and Ju-87B, myself.

 

Ju87B would be #1 on my wish list.  Spitfire I would be my second to have a non cannon armed Spit for BoB ... although I completely aware that this makes no sense for the game  .  

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

Not gonna happen but I'd love the DB-3 or IL-4 at least AI only.

 

I always was willing to pay like 60/80 bucks for an AI only pack.

 

Oh well. 

 

For early aircrafts....maybe the I-153 and an early Lagg3? Mc200 would rock

[Feldgrun]

On 11/9/2022 at 12:33 PM, spreckair said:

Spitfire Mk.I and Hurricane Mk.I? ?

 

With these and the Bf 109 E-4, you could do a more realistic Battle of Britain scenario.