Why no hurricane squads on Normandy map?

[Killroy-98]

I've noticed that despite it having three different D-day skins the hurricane is does not have a single squad you can play a career with on the Normandy map, why?

Edited November 7, 2022 by Killroy-98

[Talon_]

They weren't there IRL. Only used by RAF Transport Command as postal planes or as war weary hacks.

 

I think maybe one squad might have not finished converting to Typhoons at the very start of the Normandy campaign but they'll be finished by April 1944.

[percydanvers]

They were retired on that front in 1943-early 1944 I believe.

[No105_Swoose]

Using the excellent Pat Wilson Campaign Generator (PWCG) program it is possible to have an RAF Hawker Hurricane Mark II career starting as early as June 1941 on the Normandy/Channel map.  

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, percydanvers said:

They were retired on that front in 1943-early 1944 I believe.

 

Yes, ~early 1944 was the end of the line for the Hurricane when it came to combat operations in the West. The only remaining operational RAF units after that time were in the Balkans and with South East Asia Command, where the air opposition was practically nonexistent. 

Edited November 7, 2022 by LukeFF

[356thFS_Melonfish]

The ubiquitous Hurricane was relegated to mail run by that time unless you count Sea duty (fleet air arm) or overseas commands.
 

[Killroy-98]

Huh kind of a waist of skins then.

[IckyATLAS]

We need a BoB map, as simple as that. I know it competes with CLOD but there is a need for an update, a lifting, anyway. 

And frankly the investment would be minimal to have it.

[sevenless]

12 hours ago, Killroy-98 said:

I've noticed that despite it having three different D-day skins the hurricane is does not have a single squad you can play a career with on the Normandy map, why?

 

Hi, as others already have mentioned. Hurri was faded out of frontline service end of 1943 in the ETO. However you can play this mod, if you like. It gives you the option of a hypothetical scenario where 247 squadron hasn't managed to fully convert to Typhoons and still was flying with a mixture of Hurries and Typhoons in 1944.

 

- Fly Hurricane Mk.II in BoN career (No. 247 Squadron RAF)

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/52607-mod-extended-il2-box-careers/

Edited November 8, 2022 by sevenless

[BornToBattle]

2 hours ago, IckyATLAS said:

We need a BoB map, as simple as that. I know it competes with CLOD but there is a need for an update, a lifting, anyway. 

And frankly the investment would be minimal to have it.

Agreed! I mean look how much is in place already for it.

[CountZero]

5 hours ago, IckyATLAS said:

We need a BoB map, as simple as that. I know it competes with CLOD but there is a need for an update, a lifting, anyway. 

And frankly the investment would be minimal to have it.

Well if what devs are saying is true, then you cant expect BoB for many many years ahead...

So what is problem with using what is now in game, BoN map Spitfires Hurricanes 109s Ju87 ju88 he111 110s and making SP missions or using PWCG. This is min to do, making map with London on it is hard thing to do in this game, why would they even try to fail at it.

[IckyATLAS]

1 hour ago, CountZero said:

Well if what devs are saying is true, then you cant expect BoB for many many years ahead...

So what is problem with using what is now in game, BoN map Spitfires Hurricanes 109s Ju87 ju88 he111 110s and making SP missions or using PWCG. This is min to do, making map with London on it is hard thing to do in this game, why would they even try to fail at it.

London is the hard stuff but, the rest is mainly there. All that can be spared from existing planes and map objects, and field design colors etc. mitigates the risk for London on the map.

I am not convinced at all that in a new BoB London would carry such a high risk. 

 

[LukeFF]

3 hours ago, BornToBattle said:

Agreed! I mean look how much is in place already for it.

 

It's not as simple as that. Besides London, most of the airfields would have to be reconfigured to their 1940 layouts and new ones would have to be modeled both in France and England.

 

As with anything with this sort of software, if it required "minimal effort", it would have been done already. ?

Edited November 8, 2022 by LukeFF

[Jaegermeister]

19 hours ago, Talon_ said:

Only used by RAF Transport Command as postal planes or as war weary hacks.

 

Well there's your answer then. Somebody needs to make an RAF Postal Campaign. You could deliver mail to all the various airfields, and when you feel adventurous, you can fly over the channel to deliver mail to the front line troops!

[Trooper117]

48 minutes ago, Jaegermeister said:

Well there's your answer then. Somebody needs to make an RAF Postal Campaign.

 

How exciting would that be... NOT!!!!

[LukeFF]

13 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

How exciting would that be... NOT!!!!

 

You don't want to go postal? ? 

[Trooper117]

Just now, LukeFF said:

 

You don't want to go postal? ? 

 

I've been 'posted' several times... can't say it always went well  ?

[Enceladus828]

1 hour ago, IckyATLAS said:

London is the hard stuff but, the rest is mainly there. All that can be spared from existing planes and map objects, and field design colors etc. mitigates the risk for London on the map.

I am not convinced at all that in a new BoB London would carry such a high risk. 

LukeFF is right

 

If adding London to the BoN map wouldn't carry a high risk then they would have added it to the map and also allowed you to fly over Moscow including the Kremlin, but since neither of the two has happened then it would carry a high risk. And as Luke stated, all of the airfields in England and France and the BoN map would have to be reconfigured for how they were in 1940, not an easy task.

 

Not going to happen, sorry. If you want to fly over London, get CloD Blitz ?

[McDuff]

1 hour ago, Jaegermeister said:

 

Well there's your answer then. Somebody needs to make an RAF Postal Campaign. You could deliver mail to all the various airfields, and when you feel adventurous, you can fly over the channel to deliver mail to the front line troops!

I like the sound of that.....A Postman Pat Pattle campaign...

[Mtnbiker1998]

1 hour ago, Trooper117 said:

 

How exciting would that be... NOT!!!!

Honestly, throw in some navigation challenges in the form of weather/time, could be a fun challenge for a few missions. a 25 mission campaign would certainly get old though.

[BornToBattle]

22 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

It's not as simple as that. Besides London, most of the airfields would have to be reconfigured to their 1940 layouts and new ones would have to be modeled both in France and England.

 

As with anything with this sort of software, if it required "minimal effort", it would have been done already. ?

Bummer. Was just a thought since I can’t think of any BoB sim out there that features the latest and greatest graphics, etc. I would have thought it would have been a “leg up” having the area map completed and aircraft already in place for the most part instead of totally starting a completely new map and equipment from scratch. Oh well.

[FeuerFliegen]

There is a single player for BoS with the IL-2 at night, I think it's called 'Night Strike" if I recall correctly.  If you stay at tree level altitude and enter the attack area without going much higher than that, the spotlights won't catch you like they would if you were up high; things like this I feel could make the postal mission be fun, while staying low on the deck also adds to the difficulty of navigating.

[jollyjack]

On 11/8/2022 at 8:23 AM, Killroy-98 said:

Huh kind of a waist of skins then.

 

Only as long as they're removed from the game and give you the money back.

 

On 11/8/2022 at 7:29 PM, LukeFF said:

You don't want to go postal? ? 

 

Only the USA did that, the British still used pigeons. Now a pigeon wold be nice as a player collector .. plane?

Edited November 20, 2022 by jollyjack