Now what?

[[CPT]Crunch]

Could not the new tech alluded to be a super high resolution terrain and relief map?  We see something of the first efforts on the cliffs of Normandy, the terrain in the valleys looks much closer to the tank map to me.  The Med theater with North Africa would be the ideal location to show case and build a brand new tech map.

[DBFlyguy]

41 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

I dunno,look at what Han said.  No big cities, something new, no carriers, good prep for their definition of the Pacific...

 

I'm going with New Guinea, or CBI as an outside chance.  Both are something not done in a major title before, no large population centers, both are all army shows for both sides, so no carriers.  Both have opportunities for long careers.

 

And... Both have a lot of P40s.  As I recall from long ago, Han likes the P40.

 

Just sayin'.

 

Oh, and both would get me into a Ki 61 again.

 

I'm assuming when they say "no pacific for now" that means no battles against the Japanese at all until at least after whatever battle is next?  Hopefully, that assumption is wrong though! I'd be up for some P-51A and P-40K & P-40N action in the CBI!  Hopefully, that would give them motivation to finally revisit the P-40E engine timers...

 

[Gambit21]

13 minutes ago, MisterSmith said:

As a fan of the series, and not just the resident Orc, Catalina please.

There’s one up this way that I can crawl around inside of and take photos etc. Soon to be another. 
 

One of my favorites. Flying boats/sea planes are sorely missing.

 

 

[Przemro]

I know what dev said about heavy bombers in Enigmas interview, but I would still love to see them as collector planes. They argumented that players prefer fighters over bombers - and I belive thats to be true. But on the other side we will get soon C-47 and we already have Ju 52/Зm and I would say that this planes have similar gameplay.

Another point was that it would require a lot of work to model all interiors ect. and here I also agree it to be true but at the same point I belive mulitcrew is great fun if You have some people to play with.

It would be nice to see heavy bombers first as AI only, similar to DCS but then expanded into playable plane. It would expand our options for gameplay.

 

As for possible Pacific, I would love to see Solomon Islands with carrier ops and torpedoes planes (would be also nice to use them in Normandy too). This is like empty space in the market, there are no "modern" flight sim that allow You to do carrier ops in WW2 times as well as heavy multicrew bombers. I hope IL2 will fill that gap.

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, DBFlyguy said:

 

I'm assuming when they say "no pacific for now" that means no battles against the Japanese at all until at least after whatever battle is next?  Hopefully, that assumption is wrong though! I'd be up for some P-51A and P-40K & P-40N action in the CBI!  Hopefully, that would give them motivation to finally revisit the P-40E engine timers...

 

 

See, as a PTO freak who is more versed on Solomons than anything else, I have conflated CBI with PTO in my head...basically ignoring the possibility of CBI because to me it's just "Pacific"...but that's not really correct. Or to the point... isn't correct at all.

So, as has been mentioned by others more astute on this than I - CBI is possible and totally fits Han's clues. 

[Hotaru_Ito]

23 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

See, as a PTO freak who is more versed on Solomons than anything else, I have conflated CBI with PTO in my head...basically ignoring the possibility of CBI because to me it's just "Pacific"...but that's not really correct. Or to the point... isn't correct at all.

So, as has been mentioned by others more astute on this than I - CBI is possible and totally fits Han's clues. 

 

I think it's always been the assumption that "no Pacific" == "no Japan," especially since the main limiting factor to a non-naval Pacific expansion was lack of good data on Japanese planes, but I hope I'm wrong--CBI expansion would be fantastic. In addition to whatever we get that's new (P-38F please!) a lot of the Allied planes we've already got or are getting (P-39, P-40, P-51B, C-47, Spitfire, Hurricane) would be perfect for it.

[dburne]

7 hours ago, Bonnot said:

Please,  Young Gentlemen,  think a minute that there are some OLD mustache who'll have not enough time remaining to consider this option ...........?‍?

 

I am certainly with you there. Probably not going to be fortunate enough to see in my lifetime now.

[BladeMeister]

46 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

I am certainly with you there. Probably not going to be fortunate enough to see in my lifetime now.

Always be thankful for what you have, not for what is yet to come.

 

S!Blade<><

[DBFlyguy]

1 hour ago, Gambit21 said:

 

 

So, as has been mentioned by others more astute on this than I - CBI is possible and totally fits Han's clues. 

Hopefully they are onto something! If we get a CBI announcement... that would be something new and definitely something I'd be excited for, hopefully we'll know soon!

 

54 minutes ago, Hotaru_Ito said:

 

I think it's always been the assumption that "no Pacific" == "no Japan," especially since the main limiting factor to a non-naval Pacific expansion was lack of good data on Japanese planes, but I hope I'm wrong--CBI expansion would be fantastic. In addition to whatever we get that's new (P-38F please!) a lot of the Allied planes we've already got or are getting (P-39, P-40, P-51B, C-47, Spitfire, Hurricane) would be perfect for it.

Yeah, that's been my assumption too.  The CBI would be great if they can pull it off! 

[BlitzPig_EL]

 

 

[hedger72]

Oh, to dare and dream that it could be the CBI - famously dubbed “the forgotten theatre” of WW2…wait a minute…forgotten theatre? Almost like “forgotten battles”…could the devs be that witty? I sure hope so ?

[357th_KW]

So just to explore the CBI idea, what would the map be?  The theater was enormous, and there were a lot of small scale battles spread over a large area.  What time frame?  Which planes?  The RAF, USAAF and JAAF deployed a pretty limited variety of aircraft in theater.

[ST_Catchov]

CBI? What about KPI's, ROI's and P&L. We need a pie chart. EOM.

[Boomerang]

If say X1 "flyable Heavy Bomber" was achievable at the cost of X2, or X3 fighters (development time wise), within a theater, for example the Battle of the Aleutian, I'd be happy with that, especially with a PBY-5A also. Just an idea for another expansion, while thinking outside of the Box so to speak.

Be cool if players were able to control and fire from water vessels, similar to what we have with the land vehicles.

Haven't seen that in a flight simulator to date either.

[=EXPEND=CG_Justin]

Hypothetically, lets say it will be CBI. What would the possible plane set look like?

[Bonnot]

9 hours ago, dburne said:

 

I am certainly with you there. Probably not going to be fortunate enough to see in my lifetime now.

 

8 hours ago, BladeMeister said:

Always be thankful for what you have, not for what is yet to come.

 

S!Blade<><

Sometimes it looks like the Flight to Mars : you know you'll not be aboard but you can dream.......and help ( ??? )

In the meantime it is possible to improve the "what we have" ... ie. maps with more anim, scares of battles, realistic density of AAA, US/UK armor and AT, etc....so many can be done in limited time and resources without harm to " what is yet to come "

[Guster]

9 hours ago, 357th_KW said:

So just to explore the CBI idea, what would the map be?  The theater was enormous, and there were a lot of small scale battles spread over a large area.  What time frame?  Which planes?  The RAF, USAAF and JAAF deployed a pretty limited variety of aircraft in theater.

 

Good question! The campaign lasted almost four years. There's of course the Battle of Rangoon which was a rather brief affair. Then the front was split in three parts, involving loads of airlifting, which I guess is often overlooked.

 

Early planes would be Ki-27s, Ki-43s, Ki-21s, Ki-30s vs P-36s, P-40s, Hurricanes, Brewsters, and C-47s. Pretty much all of them obsolete by 1941 standards.

 

Later on there'd be Ki-44s, Ki-61s, Ki-84s (and a lot of other Kis that I can't remember), Spit VIIIs, Mossies, P-38s, A-36s, P-51s, P-47s B-24s and B-25s. So basically anything that starts with Ki- and P- ?, but no Zeros or US Navy planes to my knowledge.

 

Edit: The IJA and IJN air forces can be very confusing because they had like 90 different operational plane types during the course of the war. Almost all of the fighters had radials, and often Allied accounts cannot be trusted because servicemen so easily mistook one type for another.

 

Edited November 8, 2022 by Guster

[=EXPEND=CG_Justin]

10 minutes ago, Guster said:

 

but no Zeros or US Navy planes to my knowledge.

 

 

The US Navy did use the Buffalo. But not in combat I don't believe. 

[danielprates]

On 11/5/2022 at 7:07 PM, Gambit21 said:

and likely not Korea (hope it is though)

 

You're just the one to bake us a "bridges at toko-ri" campaign. 

[III/JG52_Al-Azraq]

On 11/6/2022 at 5:23 PM, 357th_KW said:

In summary:

 

- they’re doing something that’s going to break new ground (though we’re not sure if that’s in terms of theater, aircraft, or technical aspects of the project)

- they’re doing something that avoids major cities (this really rules out Battle of Britain) 

- they’re not doing PTO 

- they’re doing something that lays groundwork for the PTO in the future (this sounds like torpedoes, sea planes, bigger/more detailed ships, larger gunner counts etc)

 

That sure sounds like some variety of The Mediterranean with significant naval forces - Malta, Sicily, Salerno, Greece/Crete etc

 

But it sounds like the upcoming expansion was decided by the previous management and it might not be related to the base work they want to do now to prepare for the Pacific. In any case, Han makes it sound that they are here for the long run and that they will keep doing what they do. Tomorrow there is the stream and I would appreciate above all expansion announcement, that they reassure us in the fact that the view of the simulation will not change.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Don't forget the Chinese Nationalist air force...  They flew a crazy mix of aircraft depending on time chosen.  I-15, I-16, early DB series bombers, Martin B-10, Curtiss Hawk III biplanes, Hawk 75s, Hawk 81 (AVG) and Hawk 87, to name just a few.  The USAAF flew many types not fielded in any other theater as well, and also the first US operational helicopter.  the RAF had Buffalos, Hurricanes, Spits, Blenheims, also P47s later on, and Hawk 75s that were originally meant for French contracts. 

 

The IJAAF flew about everything they ever had, from Kawasaki Ki-11s and Fiat Br.20s to Nakajima Ki-84s.  In fact the Frank's combat debut was in China with the 22nd. Sentai.

 

Hardly a limited plane set.

[JumpnShootman]

what I would like to see is a simplified flight model for AI heavy bombers, so we could actually build missions related to intercepting bomber streams in much larger numbers. Maybe to help with that simplification mission creators can only allow them to airspawn and they have to leave the map edge to "land"

 

Even with the overall limitations of fighter aircraft, we could still have dozens and dozens of heavy bomber formations for example (B-17s, he-111 etc ) 

Edited November 8, 2022 by JumpnShootman

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

Wondering if it would be possible a map that would suit Sicily now and that at the same time includes Malta for a future DLC ...?

[Voidhunger]

Well they still not have enough material for japanese planes, right? Even for CBI campaign.

 

[Trooper117]

2 minutes ago, Voidhunger said:

Well they still not have enough material for japanese planes, right? Even for CBI campaign.

 

 

They clearly have enough material otherwise they wouldn't have stated the Pacific will be inbound...

[Deicide]

As an American the mention of the PTO opens my wallet wide. If I read this right (didn't read the comments by others) this time is not Pacific, but maybe/most likely next time. You say things like this and it makes me all types of happy. I will say this.. I waited thru Moscow and Kuban for BOBP/N so if that means waiting thru one more cycle to get Pacific I'm down. I just want the Hellcat, I really really want the Hellcat. Please. Please..

Edited November 8, 2022 by Deicide

[BlitzPig_EL]

AVG P40s and RAF Buffalos defending Rangoon from Ki-21s and Ki- 27s and 43s.  Oh yeah, bring it.

[itsmecamille]

Hearing that PTO is coming after the next expansion is just awesome.

And if the next one is either MTO or CBI, I'll already be super happy in the meantime. It's going to be hard waiting for that announcement now. Almost there

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

I personally would be thrilled with CBI.  Did I read somewhere that the current owner is a China based company?   If so, could that influence things?

Edited November 8, 2022 by RNAS10_Mitchell

[DBS]

CBI would be great, but that's a lot o' jungle.

 

I'd be happy with whatever but would love for them to go back in time rather than another mid/late war scenario

[Voidhunger]

16 minutes ago, DBS said:

CBI would be great, but that's a lot o' jungle.

 

I'd be happy with whatever but would love for them to go back in time rather than another mid/late war scenario

Yep we will have lots of turning trees everywhere

[Livai]

On 11/5/2022 at 9:13 PM, Han said:

we will develop basis for the future starting from today, not postpining it to have "all tiny features before making big ones".

 

Battle of Kuban was to develop basis for

• Pacific
• to improve Battle of Stalingrad maps

 

Battle of Bodenlatte was to develop basis for

• Jet technology

 

Battle of Normandy was to develop basis for

• ??????????????

 

On 11/5/2022 at 9:13 PM, Han said:

if we will have a success in hiring new specialists - than next time it will become

 

Why - if we will have a success in hiring new specialists than next time it will become???

 

Finding specialists is easy. 1C is a big company finding there someone - easy. Next finding the one who can do this - another easy task. As example - My employer doesn't ask after references, qualifications or grades. He throws the work at you and gives you a whole day or week to show him progress. If you success you have the job if not another will try. In my work we have to fix issue where references, qualifications or grades doesn't say anything about you.

 

 

On 11/5/2022 at 9:13 PM, Han said:

Anyway, I can ensure you, that next project (even while its not pacific) will be marvelous. 

 

[Deicide]

what is CBI?

57 minutes ago, DBS said:

CBI would be great, but that's a lot o' jungle.

 

I'd be happy with whatever but would love for them to go back in time rather than another mid/late war scenario

 

39 minutes ago, Voidhunger said:

Yep we will have lots of turning trees everywhere

 

57 minutes ago, DBS said:

CBI would be great, but that's a lot o' jungle.

 

I'd be happy with whatever but would love for them to go back in time rather than another mid/late war scenario

 

1 hour ago, ptisinge said:

Hearing that PTO is coming after the next expansion is just awesome.

And if the next one is either MTO or CBI, I'll already be super happy in the meantime. It's going to be hard waiting for that announcement now. Almost there

 

[kendo]

China Burma India 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Burma_India_Theater

[CountZero]

8 minutes ago, Deicide said:

what is CBI?

 

 

 

 

Something you dont have to worry about, it will never happend, if they plan to do PTO they have planty material just there for DLC for years, CBI is what you do when you dont have anything els to do with Japan airplanes.

[kendo]

Probably true....

[CountZero]

3 hours ago, JumpnShootman said:

what I would like to see is a simplified flight model for AI heavy bombers, so we could actually build missions related to intercepting bomber streams in much larger numbers. Maybe to help with that simplification mission creators can only allow them to airspawn and they have to leave the map edge to "land"

 

Even with the overall limitations of fighter aircraft, we could still have dozens and dozens of heavy bomber formations for example (B-17s, he-111 etc ) 

But if you lisen to their video with enigma, its clear theat they dont see problem with any game limitations, also they said they cant do 4 engine bombers because of time/money/profit problem and not any game limitations... so by that logic we can now without problem have big formations of bombers using B-25, B-26 or He-111s, Ju88s...

Edited November 8, 2022 by CountZero

[Koziolek]

of course we can have big formations without problem

the problem is where to find the fast enough CPU ?

[Voidhunger]

15 minutes ago, CountZero said:

But if you lisen to their video with enigma, its clear theat they dont see problem with any game limitations, also they said they cant do 4 engine bombers because of time/money/profit problem and not any game limitations... so by that logic we can now without problem have big formations of bombers using B-25, B-26 or He-111s, Ju88s...

Jason once said that every game engine has limit how many 4 engined bomber can be displayed.

Yes they can model  4engined bombers but we will have one in formation.

Unless they simplified AI or flight model there will be no large bombers.

imho

[Lusekofte]

18 hours ago, MisterSmith said:

 Catalina please.

That would be awesome?