Now what?

[MiGCap]

I am a Luftwaffe guy (even in real life today, of course that's another Luftwaffe), but when I finally will have Pacific in IL-2 I will trade my One-oh-nine or Blitzbomber or Ju 88 immediately for a Zero or a Hellcat or an Avenger or anything else which will take off from an US or Japanese carrier between 1941 and 1945.

 

Oh, and I like Korea!

[Gambit21]

2 hours ago, oc2209 said:

 

I'm just taking what you said at face value.

 

"A good portion of the audience/market suffers from Luftwaffe fatigue"

 

 

 

 

Uh huh...and?

 

True words I think. "A good portion" means just that, and should not be translated through a weird filter to mean ALL...but hey, who cares. We're just BS'ing on the forum.

 

We'll see what happens. At this point, after Han's comments, I'm going to lend my support regardless of what it is.

 

 

Edited November 7, 2022 by Gambit21

[BlitzPig_EL]

39 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

We'll see what happens. At this point, after Han's comments, I'm going to lend my support regardless of what it is.

 

+1  The Pacific now seems to be on the table.  Good enough for me.

[=EXPEND=CG_Justin]

I'm definitely a buyer for a Burma theater. 

[Gambit21]

8 minutes ago, =EXPEND=CG_Justin said:

I'm definitely a buyer for a Burma theater. 

 

Yep

[Frequent_Flyer]

Rabaul

[Gambit21]

...in time. I would have said pipe-dream a week ago, but now I'll bet we get a Solomons map and aircraft in the foreseeable future. 

Distance issues? Nah...easily solved with a bit of creativity.

 

 

 

Edited November 7, 2022 by Gambit21

[Frequent_Flyer]

4 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

...in time. I would have said pipe-dream a week ago, but now I'll bet we get a Solomons map and aircraft in the foreseeable future. 

Distance issues? Nah...easily solved with a bit of creativity.

 

 

 

Neither combatant needs to have capital ships modeled for Rabaul, the USAAF has most of its aircraft modeled currently .Of course we need a flyable B-25 in all its iterations. I had Luftwaffe fatigue since the original  IL-2 series. I would love to see the current staff tackle the weather in the PTO, I concur there are creative solutions to the distance challenges.

[oc2209]

2 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

"A good portion" means just that, and should not be translated through a weird filter to mean ALL

 

No translation error involved. I never said 'all' either. The point isn't what the number really is; the point is that it's based on absolutely nothing.

 

You could instead say, 'some people' or 'all my friends' or whatever, and then you wouldn't be making false claims. 

 

I don't care for the perpetuation of the myth that large swathes of the fanbase never want to fly Eastern Front or Luftwaffe again--based solely on the same few people on the forums here who keep repeating their antipathy towards the Eastern Front/Luftwaffe. It creates the illusion of a far greater amount of discontent than is verifiable.

 

2 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

We'll see what happens. At this point, after Han's comments, I'm going to lend my support regardless of what it is.

 

Fair enough. I just happen to feel that waiting 8 years to finish my Eastern Front careers will be a little ridiculous. Assuming the next module isn't Eastern Front, takes 2 years, etc.

 

There's never going to be a 'good' time to release it. Somebody's always going to be pissed off that it delays their preferred module. I consider it like ripping a bandaid off. Just get it over with, and then all the major powers would have a decent range of mid-to-late war plane selection.

 

Right now I consider it a much more glaring hole in the lineup than a missing Mediterranean or Pacific module; chiefly because of the name of the series. Cover the basics first, finish what was started regarding the Luftwaffe and VVS, then move on.

 

But of course, if it's politically or economically inadvisable to do so at the moment, then all other logic goes out the window.

[Gambit21]

2 hours ago, oc2209 said:

 

No translation error involved. I never said 'all' either. The point isn't what the number really is; the point is that it's based on absolutely nothing.

 

You could instead say, 'some people' or 'all my friends' or whatever, and then you wouldn't be making false claims. 

 

I don't care for the perpetuation of the myth that large swathes of the fanbase never want to fly Eastern Front or Luftwaffe again--based solely on the same few people on the forums here who keep repeating their antipathy towards the Eastern Front/Luftwaffe. It creates the illusion of a far greater amount of discontent than is verifiable.

 

 

Fair enough. I just happen to feel that waiting 8 years to finish my Eastern Front careers will be a little ridiculous. Assuming the next module isn't Eastern Front, takes 2 years, etc.

 

There's never going to be a 'good' time to release it. Somebody's always going to be pissed off that it delays their preferred module. I consider it like ripping a bandaid off. Just get it over with, and then all the major powers would have a decent range of mid-to-late war plane selection.

 

Right now I consider it a much more glaring hole in the lineup than a missing Mediterranean or Pacific module; chiefly because of the name of the series. Cover the basics first, finish what was started regarding the Luftwaffe and VVS, then move on.

 

But of course, if it's politically or economically inadvisable to do so at the moment, then all other logic goes out the window.

 

I’d like to see the I16, 109E etc brought up to current standard before more EF planes are released. The I16 over the snowy steppe is nice - wind in the hair and all that. 
 

Of course the wide swaths of people who are tired of shooting at Luftwaffe stuff might disagree. ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Alexmarine]

3 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

... tired of shooting at Luftwaffe. 

 

Mind that I am sure they are tired of LW planes always being the main focus of the axis side, shooting at them will never get old 

[Robli]

I think that something in the Mediterranean is a high probability bet, so Italy or Malta. Even Africa would be good, though not very likely so soon after the divorce with CloD. It brings more Western planes, some additional Luftwaffe and Italian planes. 

[Lusekofte]

Well I bet Pacific means fly able B 25 , A 20 G 

I really really hope for a level bomber option 

I know PTO give a excuse to pass them

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

My dear beloved crystal ball, just a simple question today ...

Will the new expansion have a map containing more body water tha land? ? 

[kendo]

I wouldn't be against getting some late-war Russian aircraft as collector planes to fill the current gap, but (as for many others) I'm not wildly enthusiastic about a full module devoted to late war Eastern front, at least not as next instalment.

 

Intrigued and happy with Han's post. Med or some clever way into the Pacific would be great. 

[Eisenfaustus]

5 minutes ago, kendo said:

some late-war Russian aircraft as collector planes to fill the current gap

Flying in which career?

 

At some point there should be a late EF DLC.

 

How it looks now I could imagine MTO, PTO, PTO and then - who knows maybe finally late EF.

 

If the series survives this long of course.

[Picchio]

I could hope it to be the Med just to see the Folgore brought up to current standards... ?

[DBS]

I think Mediterranean makes the most sense, and would be great practice for naval traffic and carriers?

 

I did think when Jason left whether this opened the door to PTO, which looks like the case? Never got the argument for not doing PTO tbh.

 

With that said, I would love a Finland/winter war. Fokkers, Brewster Buffalos etc. Early ware planes are more fun IMO. 

[BlitzPig_EL]

 

P40N anyone?

[danielprates]

2 hours ago, Robli said:

divorce with CloD.

 

This is the kind of talk that this forum could do without.

2 hours ago, 216th_Lusekofte said:

Well I bet Pacific means fly able B 25 , A 20 G 

I really really hope for a level bomber option 

I know PTO give a excuse to pass them

 

I would like to see the lockheed ventura/harpoon family. Besides those flew in Europe too, also the Med and pretty much anywhere.

[Props]

I have not seen much mention of this possibility, but Operation Torch maybe in consideration. Granted there would not be a lot of Luftwaffe additions since most of those aircraft are already available in game, but they could add the Dauntless and F4F Wildcat, the A-36 Apache, an upgraded P-40 (long overdue), an early P-38, and a maybe an upgraded P-39. The map is new and sparsely populated with only a few cities and ports. 

 

As far as carriers go they have a large US tanker in game that is very similar to those used for conversions to Escort carriers that would only require replacing the deck structures with a flight deck and island (USS Sangamon for instance which did operate for a while in this theater). I am not a programmer or coder so flight deck ops like catapults and arresting wires maybe issues, but we don't need a working hangar deck or elevators, etc. And the early US carriers had a lot less AAA on board than the later PTO ships. I have no idea how much work would go into a carrier, but since even MSFS 2020 has one I would think it can be done by a small dedicated team. 

 

But I still lean towards Papua New Guinea for the next installment based on the hints provided. I know that's just a gut feeling and perhaps a false hope on my part, but I have my fingers crossed.....

[CountZero]

23 minutes ago, Props said:

I have not seen much mention of this possibility, but Operation Torch maybe in consideration. Granted there would not be a lot of Luftwaffe additions since most of those aircraft are already available in game, but they could add the Dauntless and F4F Wildcat, the A-36 Apache, an upgraded P-40 (long overdue), an early P-38, and a maybe an upgraded P-39. The map is new and sparsely populated with only a few cities and ports. 

 

As far as carriers go they have a large US tanker in game that is very similar to those used for conversions to Escort carriers that would only require replacing the deck structures with a flight deck and island (USS Sangamon for instance which did operate for a while in this theater). I am not a programmer or coder so flight deck ops like catapults and arresting wires maybe issues, but we don't need a working hangar deck or elevators, etc. And the early US carriers had a lot less AAA on board than the later PTO ships. I have no idea how much work would go into a carrier, but since even MSFS 2020 has one I would think it can be done by a small dedicated team. 

 

But I still lean towards Papua New Guinea for the next installment based on the hints provided. I know that's just a gut feeling and perhaps a false hope on my part, but I have my fingers crossed.....

I think you missed this hint about next DLC and PTO, aslo why would you waist F4F or Dauntles on Torch, and then not be able to have them for PTO DLCs:

"Yep, and We have ideas how to make it real. It is very simple idea - you need to develop basis things for the future now, today, and not postpone it for tomorrow. If we would thought this way 1.5 years ago - Pacific could be our next project. And we, team, have tought this way than. But decisions were made not by the team then, 1.5 years ago. Now, after all recent changes - they are. 

 

So if we will have a success in hiring new specialists - than next time it will become a true because this time we will develop basis for the future starting from today, not postpining it to have "all tiny features before making big ones". 

 

Anyway, I can ensure you, that next project (even while its not pacific) will be marvelous. 

 

Recently, team have decided, that our time have not passed away and we want to develop new great things which will be listed in aviation sim history. 

 

We plan to expand our team 1.5 times during next year and its not a limit.

 

So if world will stay ok in upcoming years - we have what to show to it. "

 

 

2 hours ago, Robli said:

I think that something in the Mediterranean is a high probability bet, so Italy or Malta. Even Africa would be good, though not very likely so soon after the divorce with CloD. It brings more Western planes, some additional Luftwaffe and Italian planes. 

https://vginsights.com/game/754530 it says 35000+ units sold, i think its safe to say they gona be doing more stuff for it, i would not expect africa in BoX for long time.

 

And for BOX it says 261000 sold

https://vginsights.com/game/307960

so their estimates seam quite accurate if you look highest Player-#### user in stats online

http://stats.virtualpilots.fi:8000/en/pilot/38823/Player-257076/?tour=57

Edited November 7, 2022 by CountZero

[BMA_FlyingShark]

36 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

P40N anyone?

Yes, one for me please.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[Rjel]

10 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

 

+1  The Pacific now seems to be on the table.  Good enough for me.

If some of us can just hold on another few years….

[Robli]

35 minutes ago, danielprates said:

This is the kind of talk that this forum could do without.

 

Don't fully understand, what is the problem of that kind of talk exactly?

[rvgls49]

3 hours ago, Alexmarine said:

 

Mind that I am sure they are tired of LW planes always being the main focus of the axis side, shooting at them will never get old 

What really doesn't get old is to vaporize enemy planes with 30 mm minengeschoss. Very exiting.

[[CPT]Crunch]

1 hour ago, CountZero said:

https://vginsights.com/game/754530 it says 35000+ units sold, i think its safe to say they gona be doing more stuff for it, i would not expect africa in BoX for long time.

 

 

And for BOX it says 261000 sold

https://vginsights.com/game/307960

so their estimates seam quite accurate if you look highest Player-#### user in stats online

http://stats.virtualpilots.fi:8000/en/pilot/38823/Player-257076/?tour=57

There's the problem, those are steam only stats, IL-2 BOX series isn't sold only on steam, so their number could be multiple times this figure for all we know.  I certainly won't operate through steam.   Already 8 t o1 ratio going here, if the true number is double that it'd be the height of folly to not dump them and take these popular theaters for your own sales.

[Halon]

20 hours ago, JG27_PapaFly said:

Bring on Ploeşti 1943!

 

1) Novelty factor. I've never seen this theatre in a sim

 

 

Novelty factor would surely be the Zveno Project! ?

[CountZero]

1 hour ago, [CPT]Crunch said:

There's the problem, those are steam only stats, IL-2 BOX series isn't sold only on steam, so their number could be multiple times this figure for all we know.  I certainly won't operate through steam.   Already 8 t o1 ratio going here, if the true number is double that it'd be the height of folly to not dump them and take these popular theaters for your own sales.

But there is no point, you have GB and plan for it to go to PTO next, so thats next 5-6 years no need doing what is done in CLoD, then if PTO is succes as some think it should be you do 2nd, so thats next 7,5-9 years of no need to do whats done, then you have to finish east front like some say, so then your at 10-12 years from now, and what then, start all again. So why bather doing what other guys are doing, if ppl still buy it in good numbers, they just get profit for no work from it.

Its not like they dont have anything to do for next 10-12 years, and they have to do BoB or Tobruk or Channel 41-42 or El-Alamain and so on... if there is 35k ppl who buy that, and then you have your own playerbase that will buy what you do no mather, why get rid of that 35k and lose easy profit. Makes no sence for them to do what CLoD does, while there is ppl buying in good numbers what CloD does.

Edited November 7, 2022 by CountZero

[BlitzPig_EL]

Operation Ichi Go?

[Bonnot]

4 hours ago, Rjel said:

If some of us can just hold on another few years….

Please,  Young Gentlemen,  think a minute that there are some OLD mustache who'll have not enough time remaining to consider this option ...........?‍?

[Lusekofte]

22 hours ago, Bonnot said:

Please,  Young Gentlemen,  think a minute that there are some OLD mustache who'll have not enough time remaining to consider this option ...........?‍?

Anyone heade News from Pilot Pierre ....

Not seen Him around, and he was terminal sick 

Edited November 8, 2022 by 216th_Lusekofte

[Mysticpuma]

Ploesti would need B-24's for the full experience. Malta though, that sounds promising

[jaguar]

2 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Operation Ichi Go?

 

Not likely, the USAAF planeset is almost complete, except for P40N and cannon-armed B25 or J model.

 

Bu with an earlier "Battle of Changsha 1942-1943" with Tomahawks, P43,P66 and all the Japanese aircraft we'd get Ichi go as a bonus

[Robli]

3 hours ago, CountZero said:

if there is 35k ppl who buy that, and then you have your own playerbase that will buy what you do no mather, why get rid of that 35k and lose easy profit. Makes no sence for them to do what CLoD does, while there is ppl buying in good numbers what CloD does.

 

Like I said, it is not very likely that they would do Africa next, but it is quite hard to follow your logic. First of all, according to your link 35k people bought Blitz, that is not based in Africa. It only sets the upper limit for Desert Wings, as you can't have that without Blitz. Second of all, the talk about easy profit and not doing what CloD does just does not make sense after their "divorce" (now someone can get upset again for some unimaginable reason but so be it). You mean they should let another company have easy profit for some noble reason?

[CountZero]

15K 25k or 35k, its profit they are geting parts of , its their sorce code, and they dont do mutch, why change that when there is enought ppl buying it , is this complex to understand.

So you dont think they will do Africa but think they should do it, ok when ? not next DLC, not DLC after that as they say aim is PTO, if PTO is as popular as ppl on forum make it be, should they do just one PTO and then do Africa, not do Late East front ? i dont think so, i think if they start PTO they gona do atleast 2, and if they come back to Europe after it its gona be to finish East Front, so when you expect them to do Africa ? in next 10-12 years... and why would they do it before it, when game they sell does it already... and they have better DLC options.

In 2 days they gona have stream and well know more probably what the plan is for old new team.

Edited November 7, 2022 by CountZero

[[CPT]Crunch]

I'd wager there's a good chance their stream will announce Africa for this go, 350,000 sales units of it would be no chump change.  Already have a solid basis of ten to one sales, eight to one proven on steam alone.  No brainier to do it in my opinion, can't lose.  Not only that, this project could hit the streets much faster with an empty desert map and earlier more conventional plane set.

[BlitzPig_EL]

I dunno,look at what Han said.  No big cities, something new, no carriers, good prep for their definition of the Pacific...

 

I'm going with New Guinea, or CBI as an outside chance.  Both are something not done in a major title before, no large population centers, both are all army shows for both sides, so no carriers.  Both have opportunities for long careers.

 

And... Both have a lot of P40s.  As I recall from long ago, Han likes the P40.

 

Just sayin'.

 

Oh, and both would get me into a Ki 61 again.

Edited November 7, 2022 by BlitzPig_EL

[MisterSmith]

As a fan of the series, and not just the resident Orc, Catalina please.

[Robli]

1 hour ago, CountZero said:

its profit they are geting parts of , its their sorce code, and they dont do mutch

 

I highly doubt they are getting any profits from it after selling the title. I don't even think they got much profit from it when they owned it, but that is a different story.

 

1 hour ago, CountZero said:

So you dont think they will do Africa but think they should do it, ok when ?

 

Like I said, I don't think they are doing Africa, because Italy seems more probable and Han said that they will go to Pacific after that. But Africa could be nice. It is quite famous. It was a more equal match initially, could bring earlier-war Western planes and Italian planes (in addition to Luftwaffe) for Axis. Maybe even a French collectable. It could be an interesting theatre to have in BoX, but realistically my bet is on Italy, which is also interesting.