Now what?

[ITAF_Rani]

6 hours ago, Jade_Monkey said:

Did i just read Mediterranean with carriers?

Devs never told till now Med confirmed (unfortunately).....so till now we have only conjectures....and Is not clear to me if the this 9th will be anounced the next DLC...

[sevenless]

7 hours ago, Jade_Monkey said:

Did i just read Mediterranean with carriers?

 

Would make a lot of sense do do that and with Sicily set the technical groundwork for a PTO module later down the road. Next week we might know what they are up to.

Edited November 6, 2022 by sevenless

[Vastarien]

15 hours ago, Han said:

"all tiny features before making big ones". 

Maybe I’m too apprehensive but I’m slightly worried by this. Which are the “tiny things”? Marshal mode, fuel management, radio comms, rework of incorrect flight/damage models? Won’t we get any more graphical/sound refinements?

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

The Battle of Malta would be the perfect intro step towards the PTO.

I would be happy with just ... TORPEDO BOMBERS!! if a carrier comes along or even an escort one, it would blow my mind!!!

Edited November 6, 2022 by =gRiJ=Roman-

[Trooper117]

5 minutes ago, =gRiJ=Roman- said:

The Battle of Malta would be the perfect intro step towards the PTO.

 

Can't have another BoM mate... already got Battle of Moscow. It will only confuse the great unwashed out there...

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

After reading rereading many times ... Can we say for sure that next DLC will NOT be PTO but the one after this will be the PTO?

[BlitzPig_EL]

Wouldn't it be the BoMa?

 

Of course the Battle of yer Ma could make for some interesting word play here...

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

18 minutes ago, =gRiJ=Roman- said:

After reading rereading many times ... Can we say for sure that next DLC will NOT be PTO but the one after this will be the PTO?

Imo....no.  can't say that for sure.  But   looks promising if they can find the necessary talent.

Edited November 6, 2022 by RNAS10_Mitchell

[CountZero]

1 hour ago, Trooper117 said:

 

Can't have another BoM mate... already got Battle of Moscow. It will only confuse the great unwashed out there...

Then its Battle of Sicily, BoS, simple

[Enceladus828]

5 hours ago, sevenless said:

 

Would make a lot of sense do do that and with Sicily set the technical groundwork for a PTO module later down the road. Next week we might know what they are up to.

Yeah, it could give us destroyers, light cruisers, heavy cruisers, battleships (some of which could possibly be used in BoN), a U-class submarine and a VIIC submarine; there were only two carriers which played a minor role so they can be left out. We would also get torpedo bombers like the SM.79 and the Beaufighter Mk.X, we could also get the A-36, and the MC.205 or G.55.

 

1 hour ago, CountZero said:

Then its Battle of Sicily, BoS, simple

BoSi actually 

[CountZero]

6 minutes ago, Enceladus said:

Yeah, it could give us destroyers, light cruisers, heavy cruisers, battleships (some of which could possibly be used in BoN), a U-class submarine and a VIIC submarine; there were only two carriers which played a minor role so they can be left out. We would also get torpedo bombers like the SM.79 and the Beaufighter Mk.X, we could also get the A-36, and the MC.205 or G.55.

 

BoSi actually 

Now when i think about it more , that would make to mutch sence after what devs said up to now, more east front or MiG alley is best way to prepare for PTO ?

 

[Guster]

I'm not buying the argument that BoB can't be done with the current technology. Mind you, I'm not making a case it should be the next project. Firstly, the BoB was not all about big wings, but there were loads and loads of skirmishes involving far fewer planes, and secondly having all the AI planes using the complex physics as the player is a game design choice. I'd argue it would be possible to create a scenario with larger bomber formations than what we see now, not hundreds maybe, but perhaps up to fifty.

 

Does the world need it? I dunno. But I'd say it hasn't been done successfully since I don't know when; Rowan's BoB II and CLoD were both very buggy releases, and what I'm saying is that I trust the dev team could easily do a much better job, if they wanted to some time in the future. Would it be enjoyable? Depends, I guess. Contrary to popular belief, from a British perspective it was very much a Hurricanes versus bombers hit and run gig, preferably all of it in formation, then land, refuel, rearm and repeat. Not so much the romantic Spitfire Ace dogfight dream.

 

Personally I'd be more interested in a Malta or CBI module, though I'm unsure about how commercially viable those would be. I guess Malta would require some simplification of AI bombers too as historically the formations were larger than on the Eastern Front, while CBI, at least to my knowledge, would fit the current mission design much better.

 

 

[CountZero]

9 minutes ago, Guster said:

I'm not buying the argument that BoB can't be done with the current technology. Mind you, I'm not making a case it should be the next project. Firstly, the BoB was not all about big wings, but there were loads and loads of skirmishes involving far fewer planes, and secondly having all the AI planes using the complex physics as the player is a game design choice. I'd argue it would be possible to create a scenario with larger bomber formations than what we see now, not hundreds maybe, but perhaps up to fifty.

 

Does the world need it? I dunno. But I'd say it hasn't been done successfully since I don't know when; Rowan's BoB II and CLoD were both very buggy releases, and what I'm saying is that I trust the dev team could easily do a much better job, if they wanted to some time in the future. Would it be enjoyable? Depends, I guess. Contrary to popular belief, from a British perspective it was very much a Hurricanes versus bombers hit and run gig, preferably all of it in formation, then land, refuel, rearm and repeat. Not so much the romantic Spitfire Ace dogfight dream.

 

Personally I'd be more interested in a Malta or CBI module, though I'm unsure about how commercially viable those would be. I guess Malta would require some simplification of AI bombers too as historically the formations were larger than on the Eastern Front, while CBI, at least to my knowledge, would fit the current mission design much better.

 

 

I think you need to lisen to Enigmas video with devs and especialy part about TF and youll understand why they aint gona do BOB.

 

 

Edited November 6, 2022 by CountZero

[BMA_FlyingShark]

No large urban area, not the Pacific, well maybe it'll be Birma, not many large cities, it's basically not in the Pacific (it borders the Indian Ocean) and it has been mentioned here and there as an alternative to the Pacific.

The Flying Tigers used to operate there with their early P-40's that we preciously need in this sim and even if the Japanese Navy didn't operate there, we can still fight Japanese Army planes while we'll probably get the Pacific next.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[DN308]

2 minutes ago, FlyingShark said:

No large urban area, not the Pacific, well maybe it'll be Birma, not many large cities, it's basically not in the Pacific (it borders the Indian Ocean) and it has been mentioned here and there as an alternative to the Pacific.

The Flying Tigers used to operate there with their early P-40's that we preciously need in this sim and even if the Japanese Navy didn't operate there, we can still fight Japanese Army planes while we'll probably get the Pacific next.

 

Have a nice day.

 

Saïd that 2 days ago.

I would love Italy but we’ll see

[357th_KW]

In summary:

 

- they’re doing something that’s going to break new ground (though we’re not sure if that’s in terms of theater, aircraft, or technical aspects of the project)

- they’re doing something that avoids major cities (this really rules out Battle of Britain) 

- they’re not doing PTO 

- they’re doing something that lays groundwork for the PTO in the future (this sounds like torpedoes, sea planes, bigger/more detailed ships, larger gunner counts etc)

 

That sure sounds like some variety of The Mediterranean with significant naval forces - Malta, Sicily, Salerno, Greece/Crete etc

[CountZero]

34 minutes ago, FlyingShark said:

No large urban area, not the Pacific, well maybe it'll be Birma, not many large cities, it's basically not in the Pacific (it borders the Indian Ocean) and it has been mentioned here and there as an alternative to the Pacific.

The Flying Tigers used to operate there with their early P-40's that we preciously need in this sim and even if the Japanese Navy didn't operate there, we can still fight Japanese Army planes while we'll probably get the Pacific next.

 

Have a nice day.

 

Ok so lets say they plan for next DLC to be Burma, with Kawasaki galor of all kind, Japan army airplanes presented in all its glory and faim, why would they just not do Solomons or New Guinea or any other PTO that dont have to involve carriers, if they have airplane data for all the Kis, then Zero Val Kate Betty Tony is no problemo, why do Burma and wait 3 years to do proper PTO , with airplanes like for example F4F4 F4U F6F and so on ? it makes no logic what so ever to do Burma first if they said aim is at some point to do PTO. Doing Burma is same as doing East Front 45, land, flat, less citys, but with RAF and USAF airplanes we already have vs japan army airplanes. Burma is something you do when you have nothing els to do and ppl who would buy anthing, not to start Asian expantion in game...

 

Edited November 6, 2022 by CountZero

[Guster]

29 minutes ago, CountZero said:

I think you need to lisen to Enigmas video with devs and especialy part about TF and youll understand why they aint gona do BOB.

 

 

 

I have, and I do understand. I was addressing the large(r) formations argument which I think is relevant to other possible future releases. And again, I'm not saying they should, I'm saying they could if they would.

[CountZero]

5 minutes ago, Guster said:

 

I have, and I do understand. I was addressing the large(r) formations argument which I think is relevant to other possible future releases. And again, I'm not saying they should, I'm saying they could if they would.

There was planty of large formation bombardment in BoN BoBp and in Sicily, all set for devs to do something about it, add B-26, B-25, make impact of AI bombers mutch less then now, and vola we can have big bomber formations and your set for AI B-17 or B-24... no need for BoB for that. They can improve it now if they wont and we could see it in game.

Edited November 6, 2022 by CountZero

[BMA_FlyingShark]

52 minutes ago, CountZero said:

Ok so lets say they plan for next DLC to be Burma, with Kawasaki galor of all kind, Japan army airplanes presented in all its glory and faim, why would they just not do Solomons or New Guinea or any other PTO that dont have to involve carriers, if they have airplane data for all the Kis, then Zero Val Kate Betty Tony is no problemo, why do Burma and wait 3 years to do proper PTO , with airplanes like for example F4F4 F4U F6F and so on ?

I don't know, it was just a thought.

 

53 minutes ago, CountZero said:

Burma is same as doing East Front 45, land, flat, less citys, but with RAF and USAF airplanes we already have vs japan army airplanes. Burma is something you do when you have nothing els to do and ppl who would buy anthing, not to start Asian expantion in game...

Ok, then not.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[BMA_FlyingShark]

1 hour ago, CountZero said:

why do Burma and wait 3 years to do proper PTO , with airplanes like for example F4F4 F4U F6F and so on ?

Maybe, just maybe, they wait with those planes 'till they have a carrier ready?

 

Have a nice day.

 

[FliegerAD]

4 hours ago, CountZero said:

Then its Battle of Sicily, BoS, simple

 

BoH - Battle of Husky... oh, Boi...

 

The novelty could well be guided munitions like the Fritz X. Given that their first notable (and most successful deployment) was just that timeframe, it would fit. I am not sure how they would handle the Do 217, though. No aircraft survived completely, but documentation should be good I guess.

 

But then, it is all a question of what one considers 'novel'. Having an Italian map and adding more Italian planes might do it for some. I mean, I'd be on board, as long as the air war is depicted faithfully - i.e. with a major portion of Luftwaffe activity. Luftwaffe fatique? Not here.

[danielprates]

19 hours ago, Wardog5711 said:

waters

 

PTO confirmed.

 

In an unforseen double-whammy, Half-Life 3 confirmed too!

Edited November 6, 2022 by danielprates

[Skycat1969]

It's going to be the battle for the Aleutians, be sure. The 'new ground' is bog. Just kidding, it will be an opportunity to introduce float planes and flying boats.

[JG27*PapaFly]

Bring on Ploeşti 1943!

 

1) Novelty factor. I've never seen this theatre in a sim

 

2) Beautiful Romanian countryside with mountains,  flat terrain, lakes and the black sea all packed in a small country.

 

3) Optimal playground for the IAR-80 and mid-war P-38s.

 

4) Tons of options of interesting encounters against Luftwaffe after Romania switched sides on 23-Aug-1944. You could e.g. have soviet planes, Romanian IARs and 109s fighting against German 109s and 190s.

[Eisenfaustus]

14 minutes ago, JG27_PapaFly said:

Novelty factor. I've never seen this theatre in a sim

Didn’t the original IL2 have Romanian maps? At least Bessarabia. 

 

15 minutes ago, JG27_PapaFly said:

Tons of options of interesting encounters against Luftwaffe after Romania switched sides on 23-Aug-1944. You could e.g. have soviet planes, Romanian IARs and 109s fighting against German 109s and 190s.

109‘s on both sides? Awesome! That will mobilise the Lw fatigued crowd for sure

[CUJO_1970]

22 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

 

There’s a good portion of the audience/market that suffers from Luftwaffe fatigue - I happen to be among that group.

 

You definitely speak for yourself here. Neither myself, nor a large (not as vocal) portion of the community agree with you about this, at all.

 

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

Please, no more 109s or 190s .... bring on Italian or Japanese planes.

[SCG_motoadve]

23 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

There’s a good portion of the audience/market that suffers from Luftwaffe fatigue - I happen to be among that group.

 

I doubt this is accurate.

Please not Korea! I would definitely wont buy it.

[MiGCap]

3 minutes ago, SCG_motoadve said:

I doubt this is accurate.

Please not Korea! I would definitely wont buy it.

 

In this case, I would buy it two times to make up the loss the developers have. 

[Trooper117]

9 minutes ago, SCG_motoadve said:

Please not Korea! I would definitely wont buy it.

 

HE MEANS IT... HE REALLY MEANS IT!!!

 

[Noisemaker]

Honestly, and I know I may be in the minority on this forum (But not necessarily in the player base), I couldn't care less about Pacific or post war scenarios.  I'd like to see Italy (1st), Leningrad/St. Petersburg (2nd), and then Seelow heights (3rd) to round out the series.

[CountZero]

20 minutes ago, Noisemaker said:

Honestly, and I know I may be in the minority on this forum (But not necessarily in the player base), I couldn't care less about Pacific or post war scenarios.  I'd like to see Italy (1st), Leningrad/St. Petersburg (2nd), and then Seelow heights (3rd) to round out the series.

Youll get Italy as next DLC, Leningrad map as free build by moders, and Sellow with Poland 45 DLC in 2028.

While im at it Cowboys will win Super Bowl LVII, Argentina WC22, and Germany Euro 24.

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

FC3, then FC4...?

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, SCG_motoadve said:

I doubt this is accurate.

Please not Korea! I would definitely wont buy it.

I doubt it’s Korea - but I’d buy it. 

[Lusekofte]

In my opinion this Brand startes off too late. There is a lot of interesting planes past us. 
Battle of France , winter war and SCW

All say move forward, but Berlin was no air battle it was a walkover Seelow  was some days with heavy barrage and a one sided aerial battle. With really nothing new to offer

I am glad we go to pacific. But I really hope for France 

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, CUJO_1970 said:

You definitely speak for yourself here. Neither myself, nor a large (not as vocal) portion of the community agree with you about this, at all.

 

Um…I’m not having been under a rock, I’m aware that a lot of guys like Luftwaffe stuff - but don’t fool yourself that I’m the only one tired of it.

There’s a lot of guys ready to move on. It’s a hard thing for Ludtwaffle types to understand.

Someone just mentioned a theater that I’d neglected to consider - and I think he might be correct. I’m not going to mention what it is - but if he’s right - I’m in.

(it doesn’t involve 109’s)

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

3 hours ago, Skycat1969 said:

It's going to be the battle for the Aleutians, be sure. The 'new ground' is bog. Just kidding, it will be an opportunity to introduce float planes and flying boats.

I'd buy it

[oc2209]

18 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

We’ll of course…I didn’t make assumptions about the entire audience - you should know better, nor did I indicate as much.

 

I'm just taking what you said at face value.

 

"A good portion of the audience/market suffers from Luftwaffe fatigue"

 

Making it nebulous by saying 'a good portion' doesn't change the substance of what you're saying. The point is that you're assuming something with no real data.

 

If the actual Luftwaffe fatigue number is, say, 8% of players who would absolutely refuse under any circumstances to buy another Luftwaffe-centric module, then that's really not 'a good portion.'

 

I'm pretty sure I'd be mercilessly ragged on here, if I said, 'a good portion of the audience/market wants the Eastern Front to be properly finished up before moving on to more exotic locales.'

 

Neither my statement nor yours can be substantiated.

[itsmecamille]

Count me in the LW fatigue group. It feels like I've been waiting forever for the PTO - but I know we're not getting it. I'd love to get the Mediterranean but I've got the feeling that those who are getting hyped about this are at risk of being disappointed this week. I'm going to set my expectations low and that way I've got a chance to be pleasantly surprised I guess