Developer Diary #330 Discussion

[Bell]

Where is the camera?I didn't see it in dev pics.

[BMA_FlyingShark]

15 minutes ago, Bell said:

Where is the camera?I didn't see it in dev pics.

Pcs are WIP (Work In Progress).

 

Have a nice day.

 

[DN308]

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along with all that we're developing the six Collector Planes, some of which will be released before the end of this year and some in the beginning of the next one.

Am I the only one to have saw that?

Which are the 5 others?????

[Fritz_X]

4 minutes ago, DN308 said:

Am I the only one to have saw that?

Which are the 5 others?????

 

1. I.A.R. 80/81

2. DC-3

3. Li-2

4. Siemens-Schuckert D.IV (Flying Circus)

5. Sopwith Snipe (Flying Circus)

 

[DN308]

22 minutes ago, Fritz_X said:

 

1. I.A.R. 80/81

2. DC-3

3. Li-2

4. Siemens-Schuckert D.IV (Flying Circus)

5. Sopwith Snipe (Flying Circus)

 

Damn, I never saw that information.

Well... Not really concerned though, but I guess some people will be excited as hell with that.

 

Thanks anyway

[Trooper117]

Well, out of the six I'll probably buy the Dakota as it's such an icon... the rest, I don't see me flying them so I don't see why I should bother to waste my money.

If the FC side of things had the problems fixed I might have bought the Snipe, but the same problems are still in place two years down the line so not going there.

[IckyATLAS]

On 10/21/2022 at 7:50 PM, Wardog5711 said:

I can only hope that somebody is happy with something at some point around here. But maybe I'm too optimistic.

Or at least a little optimistic....

I am positive and of optimistic nature. Every announcement of a new plane for sure is very positive no doubt, it means things are moving on. But this DD content came out of the blue (at least for me maybe I missed something) seemingly disconnected for all the actual Battles. If I am not wrong, the bubbletop version was put in service in March 1945 which is later than BOBp (January 1945) and does not fit Normandy in 1944.

Nothing specific for all other planes just a vague information about timing. Normally we would have some images of work in progress or some more precise stuff. 

So here I am a little confused. Either this plane will be one linked to a new Battle not yet announced but that would take place between March and May 1945 which I find unlikely (but is surely possible like the Battle of Berlin or something similar), or the future of this Sim is unclear, and this DD is just to keep us motivated until we do have an announcement about what is coming.

Wait and see ? 

 

[sevenless]

1 hour ago, IckyATLAS said:

I am positive and of optimistic nature. Every announcement of a new plane for sure is very positive no doubt, it means things are moving on. But this DD content came out of the blue (at least for me maybe I missed something) seemingly disconnected for all the actual Battles. If I am not wrong, the bubbletop version was put in service in March 1945 which is later than BOBp (January 1945) and does not fit Normandy in 1944.

Nothing specific for all other planes just a vague information about timing. Normally we would have some images of work in progress or some more precise stuff. 

So here I am a little confused. Either this plane will be one linked to a new Battle not yet announced but that would take place between March and May 1945 which I find unlikely (but is surely possible like the Battle of Berlin or something similar), or the future of this Sim is unclear, and this DD is just to keep us motivated until we do have an announcement about what is coming.

Wait and see ? 

 

 

I guess you missed the announcement of the teardrop spit in may?

 

 

[SFC_Scott]

19 hours ago, Denum said:

Next project is irrelevant to these aircraft as they are being made by third parties. 

So then we can expect the next project to be released LONG before the C-47 and FC VOL 2. ?.  

[Avimimus]

1 hour ago, DN308 said:

Damn, I never saw that information.

Well... Not really concerned though, but I guess some people will be excited as hell with that.

 

Thanks anyway

 

Yeah, definitely. The SSW D.IV has higher aspect ratio wings (should handle very differently), and the Snipe should be a bit easier to fly than the Camel. The IAR-80/81 is a balanced opponent for the I-16, as well as a nimble ground-attack aircraft. The DC-3 and Li-2 will allow more transport and night-combat gameplay... all of these aircraft provide something different. Even the photorecon gameplay for this new Spit (although it is mainly looks, I think)

[oc2209]

3 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

The XIV bubble top is a really good looking aircraft, and the perspex bubble canopy may make for better vis in combat situations, regardless of slightly worse aero, just as it does on the Mustang, hence possibly improving it's actual combat abilities.

 

I don't understand the hate for it.  But then, these days, I don't understand a lot of what I read here anymore.

 

I already explained the reasons.

 

Spit XIV's not as popular as other Spits. It has a short career run.

 

But most of all, the general anxiety going on with Jason's absence. Pretty sure they could announce a Pacific module at this point, and reactions would still be subdued compared to normal.

 

It's called 'displaced aggression.'

 

Psychologically speaking, it's entirely predictable.

[Cravis]

That is the MKXIV I know, beautiful lines. Idk I like the bubble canopy better than the spine, aerodynamics be damned.

I already bought it when it was added for pre-order. Just waiting for release now. 

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, oc2209 said:

Spit XIV's not as popular as other Spits. It has a short career run.

 

That's nonsense - the two planes have an equally long run in career mode. 

[migmadmarine]

6 hours ago, SFC_Scott said:

So then we can expect the next project to be released LONG before the C-47 and FC VOL 2. ?.  

They said over in the other thread a few days ago that they aim to release the C-47 by the end of the year. 

 

 

Edited October 23, 2022 by migmadmarine

[oc2209]

5 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

That's nonsense - the two planes have an equally long run in career mode. 

 

I already stated clearly what I meant the first time around. Didn't feel like retyping exactly what I said on another page. 

 

The bubbletop Spit will have a very short career. Not the regular XIV. It was so obvious that I didn't think it needed to be reiterated.

 

*Edit:

 

What exactly were you even trying to say?

 

The XIV can fly in Normandy and Bodenplatte. The XIV bubble can fly at the very end of Bodenplatte. How is that an 'equally long run in career mode'?

Edited October 23, 2022 by oc2209

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, oc2209 said:

 

I already stated clearly what I meant the first time around. Didn't feel like retyping exactly what I said on another page. 

 

The bubbletop Spit will have a very short career. Not the regular XIV. It was so obvious that I didn't think it needed to be reiterated.

 

*Edit:

 

What exactly were you even trying to say?

 

The XIV can fly in Normandy and Bodenplatte. The XIV bubble can fly at the very end of Bodenplatte. How is that an 'equally long run in career mode'?

 

You didn't make yourself clear in the post I was responding to. If you had, I wouldn't have bothered replying. ?

[Guest deleted@83466]

Hey, Luke, you know the guy got an 800 on his verbal SAT, so it obviously must be you..?

[migmadmarine]

2 hours ago, oc2209 said:

 

I already stated clearly what I meant the first time around. Didn't feel like retyping exactly what I said on another page. 

 

The bubbletop Spit will have a very short career. Not the regular XIV. It was so obvious that I didn't think it needed to be reiterated.

 

*Edit:

 

What exactly were you even trying to say?

 

The XIV can fly in Normandy and Bodenplatte. The XIV bubble can fly at the very end of Bodenplatte. How is that an 'equally long run in career mode'?

Could reasonably be read as the Mk. XIV vs Mk. IX. And the Mk. XIV and Mk.IX do have the same service life in game. 

[76IAP-Black]

I'm very happy for the diversity of planes in this game. Who cares if you can use it for just two weeks in a career???
Or if just 50 where build or jused?
What the heck is the problem of some people?

I for my end, like the plane and i will buy it. It is like in a store, dont like, dont buy!

thanks for this addition 

[BMA_FlyingShark]

12 minutes ago, 76IAP-Black said:

I'm very happy for the diversity of planes in this game. Who cares if you can use it for just two weeks in a career???
Or if just 50 where build or jused?
What the heck is the problem of some people?

I for my end, like the plane and i will buy it. It is like in a store, dont like, dont buy!

thanks for this addition 

Exactly my thoughts.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[Trooper117]

17 minutes ago, 76IAP-Black said:

I for my end, like the plane and i will buy it. It is like in a store, dont like, dont buy!

 

Agreed... everyone here actually knows that. (but people are entitled to express their opinions).

[jetsimace]

On 10/21/2022 at 8:11 PM, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

Zero interest in Korea

For me a Korea 1950-1953 setting would be a great idea!

I do still remember the fascinating air combat that Rowan's Mig Alley (predecessor to Rowan's Battle of Britain) did provide 20 years ago! First encounter of jet engine combat planes (F-86 vs Mig15). The sound of the jet engines alone was great. At that time, there were still force feedback joysticks available and supported. Those provided excellent feedback right before stall and spin happened (planes were almost unflieable without in air combat). That title also provided an RTS part, where you had to plan the sorties and had the possivbility to jump right into the action directly from the map. Unfortunately the game suffered from a lot of bugs at that time. 

[76IAP-Black]

It is like with the Churchill tank, we have "just" the russian version, useless against Panther and Tiger, but there are people out there who likes it and have fun driving around.

Last time i was flying around with the La-5, all versions over Normandie, nice plane, nice map and i had alot of fun just use this great scenery 
P-38 over Kuban is great too, pretty close to pacific 

If there is some misstake in armament, ok lets report it, miss spelling of cockpit labels, than report it too. If there is a plane, tank or what ever will be added in the future, enjoy it and be happy. 

I am 

[CountZero]

2 hours ago, 76IAP-Black said:

I'm very happy for the diversity of planes in this game. Who cares if you can use it for just two weeks in a career???
Or if just 50 where build or jused?
What the heck is the problem of some people?

I for my end, like the plane and i will buy it. It is like in a store, dont like, dont buy!

thanks for this addition 

This is not IL-2 1946 where you have all important airplanes already so your adding airplanes that you can.

It takes them around 1 year to make collector fighter, and we dont have more used or important Spits, why waist that one collector airplane slot a year on airplane that is no better then same type already available, and is used mutch less then same one already avialable. 

[Talisman]

1 hour ago, jetsimace said:

For me a Korea 1950-1953 setting would be a great idea!

I do still remember the fascinating air combat that Rowan's Mig Alley (predecessor to Rowan's Battle of Britain) did provide 20 years ago! First encounter of jet engine combat planes (F-86 vs Mig15). The sound of the jet engines alone was great. At that time, there were still force feedback joysticks available and supported. Those provided excellent feedback right before stall and spin happened (planes were almost unflieable without in air combat). That title also provided an RTS part, where you had to plan the sorties and had the possivbility to jump right into the action directly from the map. Unfortunately the game suffered from a lot of bugs at that time. 

 

Korea would be great!  Also, still using MSFF2 joystick and have another one ready and waiting as a spare. 

Force feedback is wonderful for flight simulation, and I am so glad that IL-2 GB supports FF.    

Big thank you to Jason and the IL-2 team for all their great works.  

 

Happy landings,

 

Talisman

[76IAP-Black]

2 minutes ago, CountZero said:

This is not IL-2 1946 where you have all important airplanes already so your adding airplanes that you can.

It takes them around 1 year to make collector fighter, and we dont have more used or important Spits, why waist that one collector airplane slot a year on airplane that is no better then same type already available, and is used mutch less then same one already avialable. 

Cause they use  the current one, to work it out with their new 3D guy, to introduce their 3D systems, parts and models to him and train him

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

2 hours ago, 76IAP-Black said:

I'm very happy for the diversity of planes in this game. Who cares if you can use it for just two weeks in a career???
Or if just 50 where build or jused?
What the heck is the problem of some people?

I for my end, like the plane and i will buy it. It is like in a store, dont like, dont buy!

thanks for this addition 

I suspect that people understand the developers have very limited resources, and are concerned that the developers will not have proper time and resources to develop the content they desire if they are busy developing content they do not want.  You know, me first..?

 

I know for me personally, that is true.

 

Plus, if the developers spend great resources on content that few will buy, the company would likely be unable to sustain long term operation.   Not a happy financial situation at the least.

 

Anyway,  I think that is at least part of the reason people are so vocal about what should come next.  Cheers!

 

 

[76IAP-Black]

Just now, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

I suspect that people understand the developers have very limited resources, and are concerned that the developers will not have proper time and resources to develop the content they desire if they are busy developing content they do not want.  You know, me first..?

 

I know for me personally, that is true.

 

Plus, if the developers spend great resources on content that few will buy, the company would likely be unable to sustain long term operation.   Not a happy financial situation at the least.

 

Anyway,  I think that is at least part of the reason people are so vocal about what should come next.  Cheers!

 

 

I understand it ?

but they made the descision, build it and presenting it to the guys. I wouldn't moan about it. You never know what the plan is behind their descisions. As long as nobody of our community has a seat on their table when theuy are discussing the next steps, we have no right to moand about anything. 



when they open an official poll, than ok, than we have a democratic descision building for the new content... 

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

14 minutes ago, 76IAP-Black said:

I understand it ?

but they made the descision, build it and presenting it to the guys. I wouldn't moan about it. You never know what the plan is behind their descisions. As long as nobody of our community has a seat on their table when theuy are discussing the next steps, we have no right to moand about anything. 



when they open an official poll, than ok, than we have a democratic descision building for the new content... 

Also worth mentioning in the context of limited resources: many of us have been waiting a very long time for wing fixes in FC1, and the release of FC2.   Which in my opinion should preceed any additional new projects.

Edited October 23, 2022 by RNAS10_Mitchell

[BladeMeister]

17 minutes ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

Also worth mentioning in the context of limited resources: many of us have been waiting a very long time for wing fixes in FC1, and the release of FC2.   Which in my opinion should preceed any additional new projects.

And fixes for TC on some very key bugs, namely the turret bug introduced by the Devs over a year ago.

 

S!Blade<><

[Trooper117]

32 minutes ago, 76IAP-Black said:

we have no right to moand about anything. 

 

I can't agree with that... over the years it's because there has been lots of griping that things have been fixed, some much needed aircraft have turned up etc because the dev's have noted such.

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

1 minute ago, Trooper117 said:

 

I can't agree with that... over the years it's because there has been lots of griping that things have been fixed, some much needed aircraft have turned up etc because the dev's have noted such.

Agree.  It's called feedback..? But it's most effective when done with civility.?

Edited October 23, 2022 by RNAS10_Mitchell

[oc2209]

14 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

You didn't make yourself clear in the post I was responding to. If you had, I wouldn't have bothered replying. ?

 

Good to know I have my own personal proofreader.

 

Seriously, maybe you shouldn't use the completely derogatory and unnecessary word 'nonsense' when you're (needlessly) correcting someone. I can imagine my already tenuous popularity taking a nosedive if I were to correct people that way.

 

14 hours ago, migmadmarine said:

Could reasonably be read as the Mk. XIV vs Mk. IX. And the Mk. XIV and Mk.IX do have the same service life in game. 

 

So I'm supposed to be a mind-reader when figuring out which marks of the Spitfire he's talking about, while he doesn't afford me the same leeway?

 

Got it.

 

We (as in, the general thread conversation) had been talking about the brevity of the bubbletop's career previously. It's not my fault if people totally ignore context.

[LukeFF]

Dude, chillax. It's not the sort of thing to get all worked up over. ?

[Jaegermeister]

I find it interesting that players and forum posters are constantly asking for more information from the people who are involved in behind the scenes decisions, and then when they get specific answers and statements they want to argue, speculate, and misinterpret simple concepts.

 

I hope everyone realizes that the devs are reluctant to say too much because it always results in a storm of misinformation. The less said the better and wait until the next update, patch or dev diary, 2 weeks be sure.

 

 

Edited October 24, 2022 by Jaegermeister

[BOO]

On 10/21/2022 at 3:02 PM, MisterSmith said:

First? First!

 

I have a sneaking suspicion you may also be “Last? Last! “ In this thread ?

[76IAP-Black]

On 10/22/2022 at 6:30 PM, Bell said:

Where is the camera?I didn't see it in dev pics.

In the russian Podcast the Devs said something like, if you choose the clipped wings, you will be able to mount the recon equipment. 

[sulyid]

Are there any chance of Spirfire XVI bubbletop? ?

I still love more the merlin engine variants. ?

[SFC_Scott]

On 10/22/2022 at 7:15 PM, migmadmarine said:

They said over in the other thread a few days ago that they aim to release the C-47 by the end of the year. 

 

 

[kestrel79]

I know some of the Brits may kill me on here, but I always thought the bubble top Spit was the sexiest of the bunch. I have a WW2 photo book Flying Legends that has an all metal version, looks so cool. Also the light blue and pink recon versions are awesome too.