Developer Diary #330 Discussion

[sevenless]

4 minutes ago, Wardog5711 said:

 

I can only hope that somebody is happy with something at some point around here. But maybe I'm too optimistic.

 

You are not too optimistic. Many people, which not necessarily post, appreciate the news you guys post on the forum, but with growing installed base the background noise is increasing also.

[Flashy]

8 minutes ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

Have to admit, I don't understand the excitement for a cargo plane.  What am I missing?

Its  not just a cargo plane.. the Dak is an icon..  up there with the Hurricane or the Jeep.. it might not be the most glamorous, or the fastest, but it was an integral part of the allied war effort.. and it didnt just carry cargo.. it  towed gliders, dropped paratroopers, evacuated injured and cut-off soldiers, supported the Chinese war effort against the Japanese.. you know..all the important stuff that actually contributed to winning the war.. 

 

I  know IL2 doesnt allow much scope for this kind of thing unfortunately because its very fighter-oriented and doesnt really have ground combat to speak of ( a few scattered tanks and artillery pieces firing into oblivion here and there doesnt count) but I actually find these kinds of planes to be the most fun.. the Ju52, the U-2 etc open up many more interesting types of missions (night witches campaign, dropping paratroopers at night, sneaking into enemy territory with a U2 to bomb a key facility) IMO than just trying to shoot down the never-ending stream of enemy fighters .. again ?

[jetsimace]

5 hours ago, CountZero said:

Clearly hinting at Korea DLC

Where do those rumours regarding Korea DLC come from?
During the interview linked below, the IL-2 team member Andrey (Sneaksie) confirmed that the next project will still be covering piston engine combat planes (see 48:55), which does not hint to a Korea setting.
Let's see if the next interview will provide some news to us...?

 

Edit:

 

Please do not post Russian (foreign) language videos/audio in the English forum. Even from the Devs. We have discussed it with the Development Team and they concur. The English language video may remain.

 

Smith

[Hotaru_Ito]

Am I the only one who's NOT worried about the C-47, Snipe, FC2 map, etc.? Seems to me that (unless you count the abortive Pacific module, which as I understand never got off the drawing board) everything 1C has officially promised they've eventually delivered, at least since I've been playing. Some of it is delayed, but given all the wars and plagues and things going on lately, that's not really surprising.

 

There's not many video game companies that I pretty much trust to deliver on their promises, but this is one of them. Not that I always agree with the direction they go (I still say good-enough PTO next is better than perfect PTO never), but when they say they're going to do something, they eventually do it. So unless the whole company goes under, I'm not too worried.

 

As far as the bubble-top Spitfire goes, I'm less excited about the plane (although it is cool) and more excited about the photo-recon mechanics I seem to recall we're getting with it. I've been doing some recon lately in Vander's and PWCG and it's a lot of fun.

[Denum]

That glorious machine is ready bought and paid for on my end.

 

Gimme.

 

and maybe some more Canadian skins pretty please 

 

 

Edited October 21, 2022 by Denum

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

13 minutes ago, jetsimace said:

Where do those rumours regarding Korea DLC come from?
During the interview linked below, the IL-2 team member Andrey (Sneaksie) confirmed that the next project will still be covering piston engine combat planes (see 48:55), which does not hint to a Korea setting.
Let's see if the next interview will provide some news to us...?

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Zero interest in Korea

Edited October 21, 2022 by RNAS10_Mitchell

[ROCKET_KNUT]

7 minutes ago, Wardog5711 said:

But back to DD. 

No DD today, we have major butthurt.

Get a DD today, we have major butthurt.

I'm seeing a trend here. ?

Don´t take it personally. Afterall it is just chit chat...

I don´t know about all the other people in this world, but there is a saying here in Germany about Ze Germans: "We´re only happy, once we find something to moan about..."?

[CountZero]

16 minutes ago, jetsimace said:

Where do those rumours regarding Korea DLC come from?
During the interview linked below, the IL-2 team member Andrey (Sneaksie) confirmed that the next project will still be covering piston engine combat planes (see 48:55), which does not hint to a Korea setting.
Let's see if the next interview will provide some news to us...?

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I think there is 3 or 4 guys who lisened to this and still think Korea fits as next DLC, so i was just joking about that with that post, nothing serious.

 

EDIT:

but at this point it would be funny if it ended up that next DLC is Korea, and devs wondering how it was not obvious.

Edited October 21, 2022 by CountZero

[DBFlyguy]

11 minutes ago, Wardog5711 said:

 

Yes you can.  A nuclear hellfire may be just what is needed to clean up some of the threads.

Some key takeaways from me after being here a month.

The angst over the C-47 is fully understandable, but it is 3rd party and the delivery is not up to 1C at this point.

I will post anything I get, as soon as I get it. that's the best I can do for you.

But back to DD. 

No DD today, we have major butthurt.

Get a DD today, we have major butthurt.

I'm seeing a trend here. ?

I can only hope that somebody is happy with something at some point around here. But maybe I'm too optimistic.

Or at least a little optimistic....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think the irritation from some is the fact that several projects haven't had a decent update in months... C-47? FC2 map and career? Snipe? Siemens? Fuel System/Drop tanks on top of the HUGE elephant in the room concerning Jason that continues to be ignored...  You're never gonna please everybody but some of the recent frustration on the forums I don't think is unfounded to be fair.   You appear to be the sole Westerner left on the team that still has an ability/desire to post on the forums...many of us are rooting for you to succeed ?

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

1 hour ago, Flashy said:

Coming in November.  for free even  (i guess you can give those away after all ?)   https://msfsaddons.com/2022/06/13/aeroplane-heaven-confirms-msfs-partnership-dc-3-launching-for-free-in-november/

 

Paint it OD and you're good to go..  

10 minutes ago, CountZero said:

I think there is 3 or 4 guys who lisened to this and still think Korea fits as next DLC, so i was just joking about that with that post, nothing serious.

 

EDIT:

but at this point it would be funny if it ended up that next DLC is Korea, and devs wondering how it was not obvious.

Funny?   you mean in a sick, sorted, twisted way?   ?

Edited October 21, 2022 by RNAS10_Mitchell

[Jade_Monkey]

30 minutes ago, Wardog5711 said:

Yes you can.  A nuclear hellfire may be just what is needed to clean up some of the threads.

Some key takeaways from me after being here a month.

The angst over the C-47 is fully understandable, but it is 3rd party and the delivery is not up to 1C at this point.

I will post anything I get, as soon as I get it. that's the best I can do for you.

But back to DD. 

No DD today, we have major butthurt.

Get a DD today, we have major butthurt.

I'm seeing a trend here. ?

I can only hope that somebody is happy with something at some point around here. But maybe I'm too optimistic.

Or at least a little optimistic....

 

If you call to order and try to be optimistic because the team has always delivered -->fanboy

 

The other thing you might have noticed, a long time ago DDs came out on Thursdays (at least a few times). So the DD thread starts drumming up on Thursdays, that's just a custom now. We all know they are on Fridays, but that thread (DD today?) has its own customs by now.

[ROCKET_KNUT]

3 minutes ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

He should not take it personally. He should take it responsibly.

 

Fail.

He is one person only (presumably). He can´t fix everything in one day or two... But I assume, he is working hard, so let´s give him a chance shall we? 

[Wardog5711]

The point I am trying to make, is that there seems to be a great deal of unhappiness, regardless of what is provided.

Obviously I was unsuccessful in my attempt at doing it in a humorous manner. 

There is some really great information provided by forum members to other members and guests. A veritable treasure trove of knowledge going back years.

That's great stuff. But far too many threads get run off the rails with non-topic garbage and the good stuff is often lost in the clutter. 

It gets to be mind-numbing trying to sort out what is valuable and what is clutter. Especially for someone new coming here for help.

As much as possible, I try to be a let them play kind of person, but only to a point.

Most of the pilots here are really passionate about the SIM, but IL-2 is a large property covering a whole lot of people that all have different takeaways.

Hopefully, some of those folks are happy from time to time. That's all I have to say for now.

 

 

 

 

 

[vadupleix7]

Looking forward to the Spit, IMO it’s the most beautiful spit variant and the strongest mass production piston fighter in WWII. Only hoping I could cheat a bit and fly it in 1944 career.

[Guest deleted@83466]

So, how’s the new job coming along, Wardog?

 

Just kidding, obviously, I’m genuinely not trying to stir the pot, but just keeping it light

[ROCKET_KNUT]

Just now, Wardog5711 said:

Obviously I was unsuccessful in my attempt at doing it in a humorous manner. 

You weren´t.  Carry on and "Hals- und Beinbruch!" ("Break a leg" in English). ?

[Trooper117]

C'mon you lot, give the chap a break... I thought he was trying to be humorous all along!

[DD_Arthur]

23 minutes ago, ROCKET_KNUT said:

I don´t know about all the other people in this world, but there is a saying here in Germany about Ze Germans: "We´re only happy, once we find something to moan about..."?

 

That definitely covers the English-speaking world too.

[Wardog5711]

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So, how’s the new job coming along, Wardog?

Coming along pretty well. Thanks for asking.

I left a job that had me dealing with a terminally unhappy, U.S. East Coast based telecom customer in the middle of a global supply chain crisis and political turmoil to deal with....never mind. 

Anyhow, I've had worse jobs and nobody here is actively trying to kill me. 

Not yet anyway.

[Denum]

5 minutes ago, Wardog5711 said:

Coming along pretty well. Thanks for asking.

I left a job that had me dealing with a terminally unhappy, U.S. East Coast based telecom customer in the middle of a global supply chain crisis and political turmoil to deal with....never mind. 

Anyhow, I've had worse jobs and nobody here is actively trying to kill me. 

Not yet anyway.

Come fly on combat box!!

 

We can attempt it virtually 

 

Plus I have Schnapps.. or gin. 

 

Depends what team we're on!

[DD_Arthur]

13 minutes ago, Wardog5711 said:

The point I am trying to make, is that there seems to be a great deal of unhappiness, regardless of what is provided.

 

You're not too familiar with flight sim forums Wardog?  Don't worry.  They are indeed ALL filled with a great deal of unhappiness, regardless of what is provided.

It's just the nature of the eccentric weirdos that populate these sort of boards - yours truly included.  They've always been like this. The sky is always falling 

 

Don't take any of the angst and drama to heart.  Early days. You'll get used to it and us!

[Guest deleted@83466]

I suppose the reason that so many are camping this thread (me too), because we are waiting for the English translation of this new podcast, which is ongoing?

[Voidhunger]

Well I think we are all in good humor here and in other threads these days, maybe its just communication problem in different language.

Not everyone is native english speaker.  Model of the Spit is looking good as always from the team ?

[Trooper117]

9 minutes ago, Wardog5711 said:

Anyhow, I've had worse jobs and nobody here is actively trying to kill me. 

 

You should have been doing this job on the banana forums mate... 

[JG1_Vonrd]

1 hour ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

Do I get an He-162 with that?

New planes are always a plus even when I'm not completely enthused about a particular model. As a member of Jagdgeschwader 1 "Oesau", I would salivate over an He-162 though... ?

[Wardog5711]

It's all good.  

But I am a company employee on a company owned asset. I have to at least try and maintain some minimum of decorum.

 

About the podcast.  I was told that an English translation of the important IL-2 related parts would be provided.

Once I have it, I will post it. Seeing how its already 2200 in Moscow, don't wait up for it.

[migmadmarine]

3 hours ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

 

Mostly out of place and being added for some $$$, or am I wrong?

 

Maybe I missed a memo. BTW, where are all the other projects? Or the public face of the company? You know, Jason something. Stuff that people pick up on pretty darned quickly.

 

Ask Jason.

It was stated when this collector was announced that it is being made in part as a simple conversion project that they can train a new developer, why not have the training pay for itself?

[tattywelshie]

I for one definitely appreciate the work that goes into the sim and the updates that are provided via the DD. I guess folks right now are a bit unsure of the direction IL2 is taking, especially with the whole Jason thing and the new module etc etc.
 

Would it be prudent maybe to have a sort of summary at the end of DDs just giving a quick rundown of the outstanding bits and bobs, detailing the stages they are at? Even if there is no real change from week to week, at least then people are aware that these outstanding planes, careers, maps are still in the pipeline and are very much part of the future of the game.

[Blitzen]

Um....C-47?????   Please?

 

[Drum]

Whining about a game feature or bugs... sure, many of us have or will.  But to be rude to another person over and over again on a game forum?  I say we should do the responsible thing and boot the jerk.  <G>

[Avimimus]

3 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

It always seems to me the AI has quite a bit better view than humans do, and also checks its six much more often. It's nearly impossible to approach an AI undetected, even from dead six and below, where you should be pretty much invisible. Are there any plans to "improve" (i.e. make more realistic) the AI in this regard?

 

EDIT: of course the same goes for offensive AI. Will it attempt to gain some positional advantage at some point in the future (if all goes right)?

 

If I'm correct in stating that these things aren't modeled yet, then as someone who only plays SP, is there currently any advantage to owning the bubbletop Spit?

 

I agree that the AI is too good at spotting, and also tracks enemies too well/reliably (e.g. doesn't lose sight as often or get target fixation). Definitely something that could be improved in the long term.

 

I think the main benefit of this Spitfire is its looks, and possibly some photo-recon gameplay.

 

 

2 hours ago, Wardog5711 said:

But back to DD. 

No DD today, we have major butthurt.

Get a DD today, we have major butthurt.

I'm seeing a trend here. ?

I can only hope that somebody is happy with something at some point around here. But maybe I'm too optimistic.

Or at least a little optimistic....

 

Well what I'd recommend is:

1) Don't take us too seriously

2) Don't let us take ourselves too seriously

 

Of course, it is easier for me to say that as one of the eternally ravenous crowd demanding that we be eternally fed scraps of information about future patches and updates...

 

Also - not trying to terrify you about your new job - but my impression is actually that people are unusually content after BoN... I was expecting a lot more complaining to be honest. That said, maybe I'm just increasingly Zen about it all (apologies for misuse of the word Zen to any actual Buddhists)... but I've come to see the world of patches as kind-of an eternal cycle and developed a sense of humour and detachment from the community dramatics.

 

I think it is partly getting a few of the less likely aircraft (Ju-88C, Me-410, IAR-80/81, U-2VS etc.)... it makes me feel more complete. Sure there are issues with the AI which are significant, and the RP-3 25lb AP and 57mm Molins are useless due to flooding not mattering for ships etc. But things are pretty good.

 

 

  

1 hour ago, Wardog5711 said:

The point I am trying to make, is that there seems to be a great deal of unhappiness, regardless of what is provided.

 

There really isn't though. If you look at it - the seriously discontented are few and on a few issues (some of which are ones where the majority of the community takes the opposite opinion - e.g. I suspect most people don't think the Mk-108 is underpowered or the Sherman is invulnerable to damage).

 

 

  

1 hour ago, Wardog5711 said:

The point I am trying to make, is that there seems to be a great deal of unhappiness, regardless of what is provided.

 

There really isn't though. If you look at it - the seriously discontented are few and on a few issues (some of which are ones where the majority of the community takes the opposite opinion - e.g. I suspect most people don't think the Mk-108 is underpowered or the Sherman is invulnerable to damage).

[CUJO_1970]

2 hours ago, JG7_X-Man said:

I think the A-7, A-8 and A-9 in addition to the Fw 190D-9 had blown and non blown variants. All late model Fw 190Ds (11,12,13) and Ta 152s had only blown.

 

No A-7 had blown canopies. A-8 got them mostly as a retrofit as it seems priority went to F8 Jabo units. Blown canopies were standard issue for A-9 and F-9 aircraft. Not that it really matters I guess.
 

Thankfully however, we are getting them instead for a plane that flew for two weeks in the war instead the ones that flew in the thousands already in 1944, so all is well ?

[Avimimus]

4 minutes ago, CUJO_1970 said:

 

No A-7 had blown canopies. A-8 got them mostly as a retrofit as it seems priority went to F8 Jabo units. Blown canopies were standard issue for A-9 and F-9 aircraft. Not that it really matters I guess.
 

Thankfully however, we are getting them instead for a plane that flew for two weeks in the war instead the ones that flew in the thousands already in 1944, so all is well ?

 

Well we may get the A-9/F-9 eventually. It is one of the most likely aircraft for the next two modules...

[Voidhunger]

Well when i last played, before BON release Mk-108 was not underpowered, but the actual dmg wasnt properly represented imho. (not only visualized).

It was lethal but when it was released for the first time to me it was represented in much more realistic way. But its not a complaint.

 

Im not happy about DM in TC but I dont want to be banned, so i will not comment this.

Edited October 21, 2022 by Voidhunger

[Denum]

8 minutes ago, CUJO_1970 said:

Thankfully however, we are getting them instead for a plane that flew for two weeks in the war instead the ones that flew in the thousands already in 1944, so all is well ?

[oc2209]

1 hour ago, Wardog5711 said:

The point I am trying to make, is that there seems to be a great deal of unhappiness, regardless of what is provided.

 

While many of us are a whiny and ungrateful lot, in defense of the tepid reaction to the bubbletop Spit, I will say it's likely threefold:

 

1) Extremely short career time. Meaning it's basically a QMB fighter. I don't have an issue with that, if it'd be a more unique fighter (like the Ta-152) with unique handling and armament. But since we already have the Spit XIV in its original form, that cuts the anticipation level considerably.

 

2) The Spitfire XIV was a great disappointment to many here, in terms of its handling. I'm not arguing that it's poorly modelled--from what I've read, it felt very different than other Spitfire marks--yet people came into the XIV with the expectation of 'oh great, a Spitfire, but faster!', and the XIV really isn't that. Its purebred Spitfire handling has been diluted significantly. With the removal of the dorsal spine in the bubbletop, we can only expect the XIV's already lackluster stall characteristics and stability issues to be that much worse.

 

3) Anxiety regarding Jason and the future of the series is definitely casting a pall over any kind of news that doesn't address where Jason is, and what the next major installment will be.

[Guest deleted@83466]

Your grammar is perfect, OC.

[354thFG_Leifr]

Pretty tepid DD, not sure why this is still six months out?

Where is the C-47/Li-2 that has been cooking for almost two years now, and Jason?

[Voidhunger]

5 minutes ago, oc2209 said:

1) Extremely short career time. Meaning it's basically a QMB fighter. I don't have an issue with that, if it'd be a more unique fighter (like the Ta-152) with unique handling and armament. But since we already have the Spit XIV in its original form, that cuts the anticipation level considerably.

 

 

5 minutes ago, oc2209 said:

3) Anxiety regarding Jason and the future of the series is definitely casting a pall over any kind of news that doesn't address where Jason is, and what the next major installment will be.

+1

3 minutes ago, Leifr said:

Pretty tepid DD, not sure why this is still six months out?

Where is the C-47/Li-2 that has been cooking for almost two years now, and Jason?

+1

[Avimimus]

2 hours ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

Dude, seriously? Chill some and have a beer.

 

You talkin' to me?

 

Because, don't mind if I do!! **leans back, puts feet up**