Evasive manoeuvers training in SP

[Youtch]

Is there any way to simulate through mission building or a mod an AI enemy in SP being on deadlock on your six in order to practice evasive maneouvers and reversal?

 

The only time i get to practice this is more in MP, and i usually do not leave long.

[Guster]

Isn't there an invincibility option in the difficulty settings? I'm not at my rig so I can't check.

[kendo]

In QMB can set up the enemy in pursuit on your 6.

 

And as suggested you can turn invulnerability on.

[CountZero]

42 minutes ago, Youtch said:

Is there any way to simulate through mission building or a mod an AI enemy in SP being on deadlock on your six in order to practice evasive maneouvers and reversal?

 

The only time i get to practice this is more in MP, and i usually do not leave long.

no, only way is to practice in MP, if you wont to get better in DF in MP, your waisting time in SP no mather if you play it 1 year or 1 week, only thing you can practice there for MP is your aim. AI cant compare with even averadge MP player, and most players online are long time players, so if your new to MP you better team up or your gona be getting lost or shoot down alot...

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

1 hour ago, Youtch said:

Is there any way to simulate through mission building or a mod an AI enemy in SP being on deadlock on your six in order to practice evasive maneouvers and reversal?

 

The only time i get to practice this is more in MP, and i usually do not leave long.

AI is no good for that,  to easy to shake.  They could program ACE AI to be more aggressive instead they only have better aim. 

 

Best to practice is going to Berloga or normal server with icons where you gona learn real tactics also. 

You can ask friend to train defensive maneuvers . Training on regular mission objectives oriented server takes to long. for opportunity to came. You need lots of trying and doing it many times over and over again. 

 

Good theory also count , watch others and read the book 

 

learn by example 

https://youtu.be/D4J-tG0xSP0

Edited October 21, 2022 by 1PL-Husar-1Esk

[Youtch]

Yes my experience with AI is that it is not committed to stay on your six, and very easy to shake, i feel it is not even trying to stick to your 6.

 

I was wondering if through a mod or  mission building there was anyway to force more AI to lock on your 6.

 

In MP you experience this a few seconds or at best a couple of minutes and then you die. Not real good training ground.

 

It is also hard to find somebody to practice.

[DD_Crash]

Why not join a squad?

[CountZero]

13 minutes ago, Youtch said:

Yes my experience with AI is that it is not committed to stay on your six, and very easy to shake, i feel it is not even trying to stick to your 6.

 

I was wondering if through a mod or  mission building there was anyway to force more AI to lock on your 6.

 

In MP you experience this a few seconds or at best a couple of minutes and then you die. Not real good training ground.

 

It is also hard to find somebody to practice.

You can simply join any of coms options server your on have, there should be group of players per side and you dont even need to interact you can just lisen what they do...

Or simply if your more of lone player, you have to think what manovers you dont like when your on 6 of player who is succesfuly avoiding your shoots, and try to do same when you have 6. 

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

26 minutes ago, Youtch said:

In MP you experience this a few seconds or at best a couple of minutes and then you die. Not real good training ground.

we all learned there,  go to Berloga or normal offical server (it's name ) those are pure dogfighting to learn fast,  record tracks,  analyze use tackView to better understand mistakes. 

[Youtch]

38 minutes ago, DD_Crash said:

Why not join a squad?

I might be wrong but i was under the impression that squad requires regular commitment and playing at determined schedule, which is impossible when you have a 3yo at home.

[DD_Crash]

Depends on the squad   The Dangerdogz do not have a requirement for regular attendance, rank structure etc. We are a loose sort of group take a look

http://dangerdogz.com/forums/

[Youtch]

1 hour ago, 1PL-Husar-1Esk said:

learn by example 

https://youtu.be/D4J-tG0xSP0

Krupinski (i don t know under which name he goes in IL2 forum) is like a magician.

 

He is not only very talented for reversal, but he has laser precise gunnery, never wasting a bullet. I have not seen better.

 

Loooooong way to go still!

[Knarley-Bob]

On "Quick Missions" SP

If you choose a multi plane skirmish, you have the options of :

Face to face

Pursuit

Escape

Aside

Scramble.

Lower right hand corner.

Choose one opponent on the other side with just you as a flyer might get you close. I get in enough trouble without them STARTING on my six.........?

KB

Edited October 21, 2022 by Knarley-Bob

[SCG_Tzigy]

7 hours ago, Youtch said:

Krupinski (i don t know under which name he goes in IL2 forum) is like a magician.

 

He is not only very talented for reversal, but he has laser precise gunnery, never wasting a bullet. I have not seen better.

 

Loooooong way to go still!

Yeah and Scharfi... when I sees any of those guys (or worse, flying together) on the opposing team I get that sinking feeling....

She has a great youtube channel, 2.  There are plenty of other amazing pilots whose SA and skill I will never match, but that is part of the fun for me, hoping one day, miraculously, I will get better.. ?

[Bernard_IV]

Fly low in Berloga and let people dive on you.  Practice timing the flat scissors and rolling scissors maneuvers while changing speed and using flaps.  Try to stay out of their direct gunsight to avoid getting shot of course.  Lots of practice.  

[oc2209]

10 hours ago, Youtch said:

Is there any way to simulate through mission building or a mod an AI enemy in SP being on deadlock on your six in order to practice evasive maneouvers and reversal?

 

The only time i get to practice this is more in MP, and i usually do not leave long.

 

This isn't really what you're talking about, but in a 1v8 scenario (with the enemy in superior craft), you can let the AI set up on you multiple times in the same sortie. So in that sense, it condenses the amount of times you're attacked more than a 1v1 situation would allow.

 

As others have said, humans are better practice, obviously, but if you want to get any kind of practice in at all, and don't want to worry about how many people are online at a given time of day, then 1v8 is moderately challenging. You can vastly decrease your chances of survival by coming a little (a few hundred feet) off the deck.

 

Alternatively, you can put a 109G-6 Late on your ass, which will at least try a little to hang with you.

 

Spoiler

 

 

Against a human, I likely would've been shot in my first turn into him. So at least you can use that situation to think of ways to break that make yourself a more difficult target.

[Thorne]

Setting up a quick mission with AI on your six is pretty straightforward. Unfortunately, as other's have said, if you're expecting the AI (set on whatever difficulty level) to attempt to stick to your six and try their best to shoot you down in a way that resembles even a novice human pilot you'll be extremely disappointed.

 

The tenacity, aggression, recklessness, and (sometimes) skill that is exhibited by human pilots on the offensive is markedly more intense then ace AI. Human pilots want that kill and they'll do anything to get it, it's going to be a long time until we get AI like that.

[Lusekofte]

Ace ai are master bouncers. So spotting them in career or campaign is good training. But if you do not spot them they kill you. 
for dogfights they are predictable but they are good for aiming and deflection shooting

all flying you do is a good thing. In special if you are focused on the important stuff

how to get your plane to fly faster without killing your engine. How to avoid blackouts

[Dagwoodyt]

RoF soured me on MP. Seemed like no matter how high I climbed someone would always get on my six totally unseen and hit me. There seemed only two resulting damage modes, catastrophic oil leak or wounding. I began to wonder whether MP constraints necessitate large hit boxes. As no one seemed willing to address that concern, I decided that MP might not be worth the time entailed. Experience on DF servers in GB typically entailed catastrophic aircraft damage from out of nowhere. Terrible time waste even if time is available.

[Youtch]

On 10/21/2022 at 2:39 PM, 1PL-Husar-1Esk said:

Best to practice is going to Berloga or normal server with icons where you gona learn real tactics also. 

My experience of flying in Berloga with a Bf109-G6 Late is quite frustrating.

 

You are systematically getting gangbanged by 4 Tempests, like one Tempest would not be OP already.

 

I wish there were a place to do 1 to 1 duel, and with people who are not necessairely aces with thousands of hours of fly.

[Bernard_IV]

You should be able to avoid multiple bandits.  You need hours and hours of practice to get good.  I myself have 950 hours and I'm decent at evading after deliberately trying to learn.  In 2020 during the lockdowns I did nothing but play.  If you look at Krupinski he has thousands of hours of practice over 2 decades playing flight simulators.  The skill cap you can get to playing this game is very high which for me really makes the game.  Not everyone can do it, you need the right skills and the right type of mind as well.

[CountZero]

46 minutes ago, Youtch said:

My experience of flying in Berloga with a Bf109-G6 Late is quite frustrating.

 

You are systematically getting gangbanged by 4 Tempests, like one Tempest would not be OP already.

 

I wish there were a place to do 1 to 1 duel, and with people who are not necessairely aces with thousands of hours of fly.

Berloga is best solution, you aint ona fined other online for practice, it do have 1 v 1 area, you just ask if someone is up for 1 v 1 and if by any miracle there is someone interested, you select airplanes and spawn on go. But at this point i dont know if there is ppl still playing online who are not playing flying game long time, this dont look like game that atracts new players, and MP enviroment will not make them wont to play more thats for sure. Servers are competing who can be hard core more, as players left are mostly "full real" type, so less hard core servers are not as populated, so new players dont go there they just go where pl are, and then they are just stats food for veterans... as new player your only option is coms and team up with someone who wonts to team up. Its reason MP is not growing mutch, its same old thing same old players, just rotating betwen 2-3 servers.

[Dagwoodyt]

1 hour ago, CountZero said:

Berloga is best solution, you aint ona fined other online for practice, it do have 1 v 1 area, you just ask if someone is up for 1 v 1 and if by any miracle there is someone interested, you select airplanes and spawn on go. But at this point i dont know if there is ppl still playing online who are not playing flying game long time, this dont look like game that atracts new players, and MP enviroment will not make them wont to play more thats for sure. Servers are competing who can be hard core more, as players left are mostly "full real" type, so less hard core servers are not as populated, so new players dont go there they just go where pl are, and then they are just stats food for veterans... as new player your only option is coms and team up with someone who wonts to team up. Its reason MP is not growing mutch, its same old thing same old players, just rotating betwen 2-3 servers.

Sounds like a pyramid scheme variant ?

[oc2209]

2 hours ago, Dagwoodyt said:

Sounds like a pyramid scheme variant ?

 

I've been in other hardcore multiplayer games that pretty much function the same way. But CountZero summed it up well.

 

For most people, the barrier of entry is simply too high. A lot of suffering with no guarantee of payoff.

 

Despite being of German descent, even I don't enjoy being beaten and whipped repeatedly.

[Guest deleted@83466]

That’s not what she said.

[oc2209]

2 hours ago, SeaSerpent said:

That’s not what she said.

 

I wondered what could get you out of your usual haunts.

 

I'm not into S&M, but I am heavily into Stackenblochen:

 

Spoiler

 

 

[Bernard_IV]

Very true.  Multiplayer is absolutely brutal if you're just dog fighting by yourself.  Best join in with a group running strike missions.  It's a ton of fun too!