343KKT_Kintaro Posted October 20, 2022 Posted October 20, 2022 Fulqrum Publishing (previously named 1C Entertainment) has decided to put Blitz & Tobruk on sale for a -50% off discount (separately... but the bundle is on sale too): https://store.steampowered.com/app/754530/IL2_Sturmovik_Cliffs_of_Dover_Blitz_Edition/ I checked out the il2sturmovik.com store and both TFS games, Blitz and Tobruk, appear now with no price at all being notified to the reader: "Cliffs of Dover - Blitz": https://il2sturmovik.com/store/cliffs-of-dover/ "Desert Wings - Tobruk": https://il2sturmovik.com/store/desert-wings-tobruk/ Impossible to know how much they cost... impossible too to add them to the cart. There must be a bug in the website so I sent an email to the 1CGS webmaster. At any rate, the Fulqrum's sale lasts after one week only, thus until the 27th of October. This could be only on Steam. We'll know soon if the IL-2 website offers the sale equally.
BOO Posted October 20, 2022 Posted October 20, 2022 1 hour ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said: Fulqrum Publishing (previously named 1C Entertainment) has decided to put Blitz & Tobruk on sale for a -50% off discount (separately... but the bundle is on sale too): Where are you getting Fulqrum from? There is no mention of Fulqrum on that page. I thought we'd established that 1C Entertainment was nothing to do with 1CGS?
FTC_Karaya Posted October 20, 2022 Posted October 20, 2022 19 minutes ago, BOO said: Where are you getting Fulqrum from? There is no mention of Fulqrum on that page. I thought we'd established that 1C Entertainment was nothing to do with 1CGS? Here's the announcement of the sale mentioning Fulqrum: https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/754530/view/3383918065543562207 1
BOO Posted October 20, 2022 Posted October 20, 2022 Just now, Karaya said: Here's the announcement of the sale mentioning Fulqrum: https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/754530/view/3383918065543562207 So Fulqrum is the publisher ? Pretty sure I read a comment from Jason Williams saying 1C Entertainment was nothing to do with 1GCS.
343KKT_Kintaro Posted October 20, 2022 Author Posted October 20, 2022 I'm not sure if all informations are correct on the following summary, but it might bring some help: https://www.mobygames.com/company/fulqrum-publishing-sro
Mtnbiker1998 Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 I saw this, also curious about it. Never heard of fulqrum in relation to 1C or IL-2.
Mysticpuma Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 (edited) I wonder if this is part of the delay in announcing V6 and the critical talks Buzzsaw was in? In related but maybe unrelated news, I thought Tencent had bought 1C, which, if correct, doesn't bode well? https://www.pcgamer.com/tencent-shareholders-drown-their-sorrows-as-chinese-tech-crackdown-makes-it-less-valuable-than-a-booze-firm/ Edited October 23, 2022 by Mysticpuma
9./JG52_J-HAT Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Mysticpuma said: I wonder if this is part of the delay in announcing V6 and the critical talks Buzzsaw was in? In related but maybe unrelated news, I thought Tencent had bought 1C, which, if correct, doesn't bode well? https://www.pcgamer.com/tencent-shareholders-drown-their-sorrows-as-chinese-tech-crackdown-makes-it-less-valuable-than-a-booze-firm/ Even though I am not really in the mood right now to try to understand which 1C is what, their relations and what happened to whom, that would be my guess too. A month ago (game crashes thread in the tech. support section) Buzzsaw said he was involved in very serious 1C business (or something to that effect) and would get back to the poster‘s question after that. I remember there was was this one statement from Jason (beginning of the year?) saying that the one 1C being acquired wouldn‘t affect BoS (he said il-2), but CloD and 1946 were published by the other 1C. And one 1C is somewhere in Eastern Europe, the other in Russia (edit: correction, Cyprus officially). CloD‘s 1C is Fulqrum (sure about that). https://stormbirds.blog/2022/02/26/il-2s-publisher-acquired-by-tencent/ There is something going on in the background and no one is allowed to say what it is from the looks of it. This seems to be affecting CloD and BoS announcements as well as Jason‘s presence in the forums. Edited October 23, 2022 by 9./JG52_J-HAT 2
BOO Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 I still don’t get how something can have have 1GGS stamped all over it but not be 1CGS. That stormbirds statement says words to the effect 1CE is not 1CGS. Clod was branded 1CGS. But now it appears that some parts of the empire where 1CE all along. I suspect a parting of the ways is imminent given Buzzsaws cryptic PTO comment, the telling pause from Han after TF was brought up in Enigmas interview and the small matter that you can no longer buy Clod from anywhere but steam. 2
Mysticpuma Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 14 minutes ago, BOO said: "telling pause from Han after TF was brought up in Enigmas interview" Was there any discussion at all about CloD? 1
9./JG52_J-HAT Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 38 minutes ago, Mysticpuma said: Was there any discussion at all about CloD? Not at all. Just the part Boo mentioned, about the one question about BoS and CloD conflicting in future modules, cannibalizing each other etc. Enigma did the courtesy of putting it in a separate really short chapter. 44:26. The dramatic pause is @ 46:20. 1
343KKT_Kintaro Posted October 23, 2022 Author Posted October 23, 2022 I'm in the dark just as, apparently, you friends are yourselves. But there's one thing I thought I've come to understand over the past year... is that these companies which name takes a "1C" among their first letters (1C:Maddox Games, 1C Entertainment, 1C-777 Limited, 1C Game Studios) could simply be the result of negotiations with "1C Company", who is the rights holder of the brand "IL-2 Sturmovik". In other words, these companies could show the term "1C" but not being "1C Company" nor even belonging to "1C Company". Maybe 1C Company wants that the final consumer sees "1C" stamped on the product and this makes that agreements are oriented so that always a "1C" company ends up by being created by the developer, but only in order to satisfy the "real" 1C who is "1C Company", based in Moscow. For example, when Jason Williams founded 777 Studios back in 2007 he simply couldn't imagine that within a few years only he'll own "Rise of Flight" (brand and code) and that he'll be doing business under the name "1C Game Studios" in order to disguise "Rise of Flight" as a World War II combat flight simulator. We might assume that: - 1C:Maddox Games had nothing to do with 1C... that was Oleg Maddox. - 1C Entertainment has nothing to do with 1C... it's Cenega. - 1C-777 Limited has nothing to do with 1C... it's Jason Williams. - 1C Game Studios has nothing to do with 1C... it's Jason Williams (again) I can't remember now where in the forums exactly has this been clarified, but when I "learned" that Tencent has "purchased" 1C somebody responded that I was wrong and that Tencent only has purchased the company that is in Prague, thus Cenega in reality (please go back to the "overview" of Fulqrum in the Moby Games website). I may be wrong but my suspicion is that, back in in 2012, 1C Company took the IL-2 Sturmovik brand from Maddox Games' hands (the developer) and 1C Entertainment's hands (the distributor) and placed it in the hands of Jason Williams and his on-purpose created 1C Game Studios, both for the development and the distribution. After that, and this is the most speculative part of my hypothesis, further negotiations, maybe imposed by 1C, led this Summer to take back the distribution of "Cliffs of Dover" from 1C Game Studios' hands and put it again in the hands of the Czech company Cenega... which was 1C Entertainment for years and which in the meantime has been renamed as "Fulqrum Publishing". Yeah, flights of fancy... I known... but at this stage, for we the players, we the final consumers, and as long as the main affected companies will be keeping so much secret, there's nothing else we can do if not producing tons of speculation.
No.54_Reddog Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 If they're two separate,completely independent entities then there would never have been a forum here, joint discussions between Jason and Buzzsaw and so forth. So somewhere in the corporate structure they are/were one and the same. What that entity is called is less relevant than who owns it now, and whether or not the jig is up? I'm not sure that BoX has anywhere to go in the future other than stepping on Clods theatres toes, or the Pacific. Potentially moving onto Jets and korea/vietnam/Arab-Isreali conflicts etc? Alternatively they might want to start again with a new, more capable engine but that's a significant undertaking rather than knocking out new content. I'm not sure there is a wide audience for a lower fidelity survey sim in the jet world? I know I would be more interested in a fleshed out theatre and environment and coherent plane set than a single high fidelity DCS style module but I also know I'm likely in the minority of the existing DCS player base. 1
Mysticpuma Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 It is odd that CloD and Blitz cannot be purchased any longer on the 1C website, odd because if you were going to stop selling it why would you still advertise it? Maybe discussions started a long time ago and that is why the V6 announcement has been delayed significantly, if 1C aren't going to be selling it then I guess TFS will have to do it directly or through Steam.... but currently I think all Steam revenue goes to 1C and then TFS gets a percentage, so splitting that apart is going to be "a critical discussion"? As usual we can all have discussions but with nothing from 1C or TFS, speculation is all we have. All very odd though.
BOO Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 Ive learned that Tencent isnt a rapper. So thats good irght? 5
343KKT_Kintaro Posted October 23, 2022 Author Posted October 23, 2022 Two days ago, Buzzsaw responded to the present thread's title (as a reminder: "Blitz" and "Tobruk" on sale... only on Steam?)... but in a private area in the ATAG forum (you see this area when you log in). The ATAG forum plays the role of the official forum in the Team Fusion Simulations company so... I guess that Buzzsaw kindly responded there but he's not obliged to respond here... His response in the ATAG forum... as follows: Now I admit that I didn't get all the aspects and potential consequences resulting from Buzzsaw's answer in the ATAG. Jason Williams has decreased his participation... here in forum.il2sturmovik.com... and Buzzsaw's lack of response in the present thread... this happens here in forum.il2sturmovik.com... So, finally, it is as if Buzzsaw (TFS) and Jason (777) would be behaving the same: prudently and with circumspection, at least here in the present forums. At any rate, now we know that The "Cliffs of Dover" line of products will be sold (again) by Fulqrum. "Again" because from 2012 to 2022 it has been 1CGS and Steam who distributed IL2CoD and, now, this will be done by Fulqrum Publishing under the name of Fulqrum Games (formerly 1C Publishing EU under the name of 1C Entertainment) . We know too that the selling of the Dover series of products will happen on the Steam platform only, no longer in the il2sturmovik.com website. 9 minutes ago, No.54_Reddog said: If they're two separate,completely independent entities then there would never have been a forum here For many years (2012-2022) there was a coexistence of discussions about three different IL-2 games in these forums (IL2-1946, IL2CoD, IL2GB)... but, aparently, from now, all of this may start changing progressively. 7 minutes ago, Mysticpuma said: It is odd that CloD and Blitz cannot be purchased any longer on the 1C website, odd because if you were going to stop selling it why would you still advertise it? Maybe it's a matter of time before they remove the blue rectangles... thus leaving on site at the website the red rectangles only... who knows. 7 minutes ago, Mysticpuma said: Maybe discussions started a long time ago and that is why the V6 announcement has been delayed significantly A one year and a half delay! Happily, the announcement is delayed, not the game. TFS started the development two years ago, we are still in a reasonable timing... but the title, the theatre of operations and the list of aircraft should have been announced for ages now. 7 minutes ago, Mysticpuma said: if 1C aren't going to be selling it then I guess TFS will have to do it directly or through Steam.... but currently I think all Steam revenue goes to 1C and then TFS gets a percentage, so splitting that apart is going to be "a critical discussion"? Well, TFS won't be alone, apparently now the distributor is Fulqrum. 7 minutes ago, Mysticpuma said: As usual we can all have discussions but with nothing from 1C or TFS, speculation is all we have. All very odd though. Agreed! at 100%! 5 minutes ago, BOO said: Ive learned that Tencent isnt a rapper. So thats good irght? LoL! Well, Tencent owns a Czech company among many others, that's all. The Czech company will do the job, let's hope they'll do it well.
Dagwoodyt Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 Until someone steps up to confirm that previously agreed development costs will be supported at least through release of the Visual Update package all bets are off. ?
DD_Arthur Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Dagwoodyt said: Until someone steps up to confirm that previously agreed development costs will be supported at least through release of the Visual Update package all bets are off. ? Development costs? I’m pretty sure most of the ‘development costs’ are coming out of Buzzsaw’s pocket at the moment. This game was an embarrassing failure for 1C and Ubisoft. It cost them millions and Oleg his company and reputation. 1C handed over what they had left of the code and made a commercial agreement with TFS for the PR and for the chance to recover a little of the mountain of cash they shovelled into the big commercial hole in the ground called CLoD. There are no ‘development costs’ being born by 1C - or their new owners - this time round.
9./JG52_J-HAT Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 Yup, also see it that way. If they haven‘t changed how they get funded from their initial announcement from 2016 (Fulqrum Publishing forum, former 1C Banana Forums) it‘s all TFS’s (Buzzsaw’s) risk to get the product out and get part of what 1C earns from these sales. So I‘d think they should still be motivated to do so. http://forum.fulqrumpublishing.com/showthread.php?t=229884&highlight=Announcement And CloD has always been published under Fulqrum / 1C Entertainment from the looks of it? Only „in association“ with 1CGS. Even though the announcement above mentions their partnership with 1C Online Games and 1CGs… Looks like CloD never left 1C Entertainment / Fulqrum and was only some kind of joint venture with what these forums were for (1CGS). Jason (and his company 1CGS) helped TF/TFS make the deal with 1C Entertainment / Fulqrum and got their deserved part in the deal. Up until now from the looks of it, hence the product now being sold by Fulqrum only (again). Soooo, matter of time until we all need to go back to the Banana Forums? Which turned red and grey and now only grey…
Dagwoodyt Posted October 23, 2022 Posted October 23, 2022 24 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said: Development costs? I’m pretty sure most of the ‘development costs’ are coming out of Buzzsaw’s pocket at the moment. This game was an embarrassing failure for 1C and Ubisoft. It cost them millions and Oleg his company and reputation. 1C handed over what they had left of the code and made a commercial agreement with TFS for the PR and for the chance to recover a little of the mountain of cash they shovelled into the big commercial hole in the ground called CLoD. There are no ‘development costs’ being born by 1C - or their new owners - this time round. So you don’t know any more than the rest of us ? 1
343KKT_Kintaro Posted October 23, 2022 Author Posted October 23, 2022 (edited) Sad but true, "Cliffs of Dover" was a failure at release and, lucky and true, Jason Williams brought a precious help not only by allowing the IL2-1946 and IL2CoD subforums in his bigger forum (the present forums are mainly intended to his BoX line of games) but also announcing he himself "Blitz" in 2017 and "Tobruk" in 2020... But time goes by and things, apparently, are changing. I just checked out how the two games, Blitz and Tobruk, are sold on the official Fulqrum Publishing website... and there is a curious difference: "Blitz" (click here for the description page) is presented as a game developed by 1C:Maddox Games. The "Buy this game" button links to the Fulqrum online shop (click here for the Blitz store page provided by Fulqrum). "Tobruk" (click here for the description page) is presented as a game developed by Team Fusion Simulations. AND HERE'S THE DIFFERENCE, the "Buy this game" button directly links to the store page on Steam, not to a page on the Fulqrum store. That's the new situation, the player base will need to get used to it, I guess. But this Fulqrum thing hasn't been announced... yet. Let's hope that someone of official rank (Jason? Buzzsaw?) breaks the silence soon. We may learn something new... who knows. Edited October 23, 2022 by 343KKT_Kintaro Forgot to link one of the announced URLs
Team Fusion Buzzsaw Posted October 23, 2022 Team Fusion Posted October 23, 2022 1C Entertainment, a division of 1C, was sold to Tencent, a Hong Kong based software/gaming company. 1C Entertainment was re-named under its new ownership to Fulqrum Publishing. BLITZ and TOBRUK were 1C Entertainment titles, and are now owned by Fulqrum. (also a lot of other former 1C Entertainment titles) Fulqrum distributes its games through Steam and other 3rd Party sites. 1C/777 is a separate company, formed as a joint company by 777 Games and 1C. It publishes GREAT BATTLES.... their website used to sell BLITZ and TOBRUK too... but no longer. --- Development of TF titles is by the volunteer efforts of TF members... with sharing of any software licensing costs by 1C. TF then gets a percentage of revenue share from sales of these TF developed titles. --- Last comment. 7 1
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