Does camo help?

[Knarley-Bob]

Does the AI see Camo planes as well as silver shiny planes?

Green background, green plane/Camo Vs. silver.  Or silver against snow Vs green / Camo?

Single player career........

KB

[cardboard_killer]

Historically, camo was mostly a tool for hiding planes while on the ground. In the air it wasn't really of much use. That was the reason US planes could do away with paint in the ETO in 44-45--there was little danger of German attacks on airfields.

[DD_Arthur]

14 minutes ago, Knarley-Bob said:

Does the AI see Camo planes as well as silver shiny planes?

 

Short answer; Yes, the a.i. 'sees' everything. 

 

Which is one of the problems with the a.i. in this game and why lots of people prefer multiplayer. 

Historically, being a succesful fighter pilot involves mastering the art of creeping up behind your opponent unseen and blowing his brains out.  THE most important part of this art is seeing your opponent first.  Unfortunately, the a.i. we have are programmed with an all seeing eye which means they can't be bounced.

[oc2209]

9 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

Unfortunately, the a.i. we have are programmed with an all seeing eye which means they can't be bounced.

 

Yup, it's an omniscient Sauron.

 

The closest thing to 'bouncing' the AI will be those situations when it obviously knows you're behind it, but for some reason it decides it can outrun you (even though it often makes this decision while perilously close to you--less than 300m initially--and easily within range of being shot). When it doesn't think it can outrun you, it will turn or zoom climb or whatever.

[DD_Arthur]

3 minutes ago, oc2209 said:

 omniscient Sauron.

 

I had to Google that.....and now I know it's something to do with Lord of the Rings, wake me up when its over...zzzzzzz

[Knarley-Bob]

So, after dropping my bombs, hitting the deck and running like a bandy-legged rooster in my GREEN P-47 won't help...........

 

I thought as much...?

Edited October 20, 2022 by Knarley-Bob

[kendo]

49 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

 

Short answer; Yes, the a.i. 'sees' everything. 

 

Which is one of the problems with the a.i. in this game and why lots of people prefer multiplayer. 

Historically, being a succesful fighter pilot involves mastering the art of creeping up behind your opponent unseen and blowing his brains out.  THE most important part of this art is seeing your opponent first.  Unfortunately, the a.i. we have are programmed with an all seeing eye which means they can't be bounced.

 

I 'bounced' one the other day in an AQMB mission. Quite late in after the initial melee, a 109 seemed to be heading back to base. I was in a P51B and quite a distance behind in his 6'. He seemed to be throttled back as I had no problem with catching him. Closed quickly and he made no attempt to evade. Got in close and opened up getting hits....beautiful....except that I underestimated my closing speed, and flew into him!

 

So, it's either really good AI (Ai pilot not 'seeing' me approach and not reacting, or it's really bad AI (AI pilot locked into the long approach to airfield waypoint and not reacting when should have). Take your pick.

 

I prefer to think of it as the first option. Felt good anyway (apart from the collision obviously  ?  )

[oc2209]

38 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

 

I had to Google that.....and now I know it's something to do with Lord of the Rings, wake me up when its over...zzzzzzz

 

An Englishman who doesn't know a Tolkien reference?

 

Shameful. Next you'll tell me you don't know Dover Beach by heart.

 

7 minutes ago, kendo said:

 

I 'bounced' one the other day in an AQMB mission. Quite late in after the initial melee, a 109 seemed to be heading back to base. I was in a P51B and quite a distance behind in his 6'. He seemed to be throttled back as I had no problem with catching him. Closed quickly and he made no attempt to evade. Got in close and opened up getting hits....beautiful....except that I underestimated my closing speed, and flew into him!

 

So, it's either really good AI (Ai pilot not 'seeing' me approach and not reacting, or it's really bad AI (AI pilot locked into the long approach to airfield waypoint and not reacting when should have). Take your pick.

 

I just happened to make an opposite recording to show what I was referring to above. Depending on the model of 109, he might not have throttled back. I was somewhat shocked by how quickly a P-51B (with improved engine, without 150 octane) pulled away from me (in an F-4 at 100% throttle).

 

Anywho, I badly misjudged the distance (thinking he was closer/pulling away far slower), but you can see the AI giving me the 'catch me if you can' routine here:

 

Spoiler

 

 

Note that when I'm flying, I don't use icons. I just turn them on for replays. I was easily 100m+ off in my range estimation.

 

The only reason I can think of for an AI to disengage completely (and give no evasive action when pursued) is that it was out of ammo or somehow damaged.

[KevPBur]

The AI don't seem to spot aircraft close to the ground. I have used this to creep home a few times when I am all that is left of my flight after a failed ground attack mission. On occassion passing beneath multiple flights either without detection or perhaps they couldn't be bothered with an easy kill!

I'm not a fan of the shiny silver planes as they just don't look like war planes so I can't say whether that would make any difference to being spotted.

[DD_Arthur]

1 hour ago, oc2209 said:

An Englishman who doesn't know a Tolkien reference?

 

Shameful. Next you'll tell me you don't know Dover Beach by heart.

Tolkien? Dreadful nonsense. 
 
As a general rule of thumb; if you can quote Matthew Arnold you have zero chance of getting laid.

[oc2209]

19 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

As a general rule of thumb; if you can quote Matthew Arnold you have zero chance of getting laid.

 

I learned that the hard way.

 

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...

 

How about Robert Browning instead?

[ST_Catchov]

24 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

As a general rule of thumb; if you can quote Matthew Arnold you have zero chance of getting laid.

 

Tut tut Arthur resolve to be thyself: and know, that he who finds himself, loses his misery. Getting laid upon thy vessel is a matter of equipment upon which thine maidenly eyes bulge with desire.

[Zooropa_Fly]

If the relevant waypoint is set to 'high' priority, the ai plane should fly to it and not engage.

There was an update affecting wp priorities recently, but I think this still holds true. 

[Guest deleted@83466]

4 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

Tolkien? Dreadful nonsense. 
 
As a general rule of thumb; if you can quote Matthew Arnold you have zero chance of getting laid.

 

I was going to look up who Matthew Arnold is on Wikipedia, but then I didn’t, because I don’t want to be able to quote him.

[oc2209]

1 hour ago, SeaSerpent said:

 

I was going to look up who Matthew Arnold is on Wikipedia, but then I didn’t, because I don’t want to be able to quote him.

 

"Ah, love, let us be true
To one another! for the world, which seems
To lie before us like a land of dreams,
So various, so beautiful, so new,
Hath really neither joy, nor love, nor light,
Nor certitude, nor peace, nor help for pain;
And we are here as on a darkling plain
Swept with confused alarms of struggle and flight,
Where ignorant armies clash by night."

 

That's a real panty-dropper, eh?

 

When I was young and slightly more delusional than I am today, I fancied myself a poet and was inordinately besotted with the word 'darkling.'

 

Needless to say, of the two poems of mine that I can read today without projectile vomiting, 'darkling' is in neither.

[Guest deleted@83466]

I got that beat..

 

I ain't nothing special, I'm your average kinda man.
I like a frosted barley pop and I drink 'em outta the can!
I don't give a rat's ass about poetry and not a damn 'bout prose.
I sure get a kick outta them Beavis and Butt-head shows.

                                                             —Primus

[oc2209]

51 minutes ago, SeaSerpent said:

I got that beat..

 

I ain't nothing special, I'm your average kinda man.
I like a frosted barley pop and I drink 'em outta the can!
I don't give a rat's ass about poetry and not a damn 'bout prose.
I sure get a kick outta them Beavis and Butt-head shows.

                                                             —Primus

 

Always more of a Metallica man, myself.

 

Even if they have become grossly mainstream now.

[Knarley-Bob]

7 hours ago, SeaSerpent said:

I got that beat..

 

I ain't nothing special, I'm your average kinda man.
I like a frosted barley pop and I drink 'em outta the can!
I don't give a rat's ass about poetry and not a damn 'bout prose.
I sure get a kick outta them Beavis and Butt-head shows.

                                                             —Primus

And I thought I was a heathen..............?

[Wardog5711]

Ok, Lets try to keep at least ONE thread on topic.  This one is weaving really close to the edge of the cliff.

[senseispcc]

The USA decide to remove the camo from their planes in 1944 to force them to be and to engage the enemy!

So silver no-camouflages airplanes with one big exception the transport aircrafts, to force aggressiveness to their pilots.

 So camouflages are to protect and help to evade the enemy.

[Knarley-Bob]

In real life, I know what camo is for. I guess on this sim, which is fine, it's just for show and historically correct.

So, in theory, one can fly a blaze orange plane will no ill effects.  

As far as getting into panties, I'm way too old for that...............?

 

KB

Edited October 21, 2022 by Knarley-Bob

[PatrickAWlson]

The last  time I checked, the AI reacted at 600 meters.  You can fire away at 601 meters and it will not break.  Close to 599 and it reacts.

[FeuerFliegen]

One thing I appreciate about CLoD; the fact that you can sneak up in an opponent from their low 6 and they won't know you're approaching.

 

As far as camo in this sim, I do feel it can make a difference, especially when you're flying on the deck with a skin that has similar colors to the ground.

[LukeFF]

51 minutes ago, SCG_FeuerFliegen said:

As far as camo in this sim, I do feel it can make a difference, especially when you're flying on the deck with a skin that has similar colors to the ground.

 

Only against another player. It has zero effect on the AI's ability to see you. You could be flying in a bright orange skin 5 feet off the deck and it would make no difference. ?