Who has a 4090, and with what headset?

[Patricks]

They are popping up all over, only reason for me would be VR as my 3090 runs everything fairly well maxxed out in 2D, can't wait to hear some opinions!

[Barn-Owl]

I run a 3090 in VR maxed out just fine.  My 4090 will arrive this Friday.  Doubt that I will notice a big difference, as VR in a 3090 is already as good as it gets....

[chiliwili69]

In VR the GPU load is just dependent on the number of total pixels to render and the type of VR headset. (And also usage of Extreme clouds and MSAA).

According to SYN_VANDER benchmarks, a 3080 is still quite OK for a total of 19.5 million pixels at 90Hz for an Index.

But the same number of pixels for a VivePro2 the performance is worse.(due to HTC software).

 

So, I think that going above a 3090 is worth when you have very high resolution devices like Aero, Pimax8KX or VP2 (for the G2 is ok with 3090 as demonstrated by @DBCOOPER011).

But be carefull about compatibility of 4090 with your device (Aero).

 

We still don´t know the resolutions of future devices like HTC, Deckard, etc.

[Patricks]

7 hours ago, Friction said:

I run a 3090 in VR maxed out just fine.  My 4090 will arrive this Friday.  Doubt that I will notice a big difference, as VR in a 3090 is already as good as it gets....

 

Thanks, but while my 3090 is excellent it is certainly not "as good as it [can] get" in VR (even on my G2), especially in DCS with all the foo-foo dust turned up, and i'm looking to upgrade to an "Aero-level" headset next year. I'm waiting for the dust to settle and the i9-13900k's to arrive either way, no point pairing a 4090 with a 5 year old i9-9900k, and my 3090 is quite good for the G2... for now.

1 hour ago, chiliwili69 said:

In VR the GPU load is just dependent on the number of total pixels to render and the type of VR headset. (And also usage of Extreme clouds and MSAA).

According to SYN_VANDER benchmarks, a 3080 is still quite OK for a total of 19.5 million pixels at 90Hz for an Index.

But the same number of pixels for a VivePro2 the performance is worse.(due to HTC software).

 

So, I think that going above a 3090 is worth when you have very high resolution devices like Aero, Pimax8KX or VP2 (for the G2 is ok with 3090 as demonstrated by @DBCOOPER011).

But be carefull about compatibility of 4090 with your device (Aero).

 

We still don´t know the resolutions of future devices like HTC, Deckard, etc.

 

I did read that about the Aero, but I am 100% confident they will sort that out very quickly.. me, I have all the time in the world. 

[1Sascha]

1 hour ago, Patricks said:

I'm waiting for the dust to settle and the i9-13900k's to arrive either way,

Good point.

Although that won't be a long wait ... two of the HW-vendors I checked from THIS LIST state that the 13900K will be in stock tomorrow (Oct 20th).

 

 

I think you'd definitely be paying an early adopter fee if you went with a 4090 right now.

 

Plus at the moment 4090s seem to be rather scarce with "regular" HW-dealers over here. It's not all scalpers I can find, but either way, I think prices will drop a bit once NVidia have sold off more of their 30xx stock and other 40xx series cards besides the 4090 are introduced. Can't quite believe that nearly all higher-end 30xx-cards down to the 3060 Ti are still more or less the same price they were back in July. I wish we'd be back in the pre-crypto-BS times with less price shenanigans going on.

 

 

 

S.

 

Edited October 19, 2022 by 1Sascha

[dburne]

4 hours ago, chiliwili69 said:

In VR the GPU load is just dependent on the number of total pixels to render and the type of VR headset. (And also usage of Extreme clouds and MSAA).

According to SYN_VANDER benchmarks, a 3080 is still quite OK for a total of 19.5 million pixels at 90Hz for an Index.

But the same number of pixels for a VivePro2 the performance is worse.(due to HTC software).

 

So, I think that going above a 3090 is worth when you have very high resolution devices like Aero, Pimax8KX or VP2 (for the G2 is ok with 3090 as demonstrated by @DBCOOPER011).

But be carefull about compatibility of 4090 with your device (Aero).

 

We still don´t know the resolutions of future devices like HTC, Deckard, etc.

 

Depends also on CPU, if your CPU bottlenecked that 4090 is not going to perform at it's best. It can be a bit of a balancing act for sure.

[Patricks]

13 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

Depends also on CPU, if your CPU bottlenecked that 4090 is not going to perform at it's best. It can be a bit of a balancing act for sure.

 

Agree Don, I would not consider a 4090 until I have a system built to optimize it..

 

[WIS-Redcoat]

I managed to get my hands on two 4090 for very little over "sticker".   I won't have it in a case for another two weeks but it definitely seems like they are easier to get than the 3090 release.

[Patricks]

20 minutes ago, WIS-Redcoat said:

I managed to get my hands on two 4090 for very little over "sticker".   I won't have it in a case for another two weeks but it definitely seems like they are easier to get than the 3090 release.

 

Absolutely are, my local vendor has 3 brands in stock, but the least expensive is still about $1750 US.. 

[Voyager]

I was running FpsVR last night with a 5800X3D and 3080 Ti combo on a VP2, and while I'm getting around 72-90 fps, apparently my CPU frame times are about half my GPU frametimes. 

 

And the CPU having about half the frame time as the GPU is pretty consistent across VR flight sim titles too. I suspect Is see a pretty solid boost across the board from a 4090 tier card. 

 

Do want to see what we get from AMD first, though. 60fps+ is enough for me for Il-2, and its really the other VR sims that I'd be looking at a new card for, so even if it has the same hit as RDNA2, it may be worth it for my use case. 

Edited October 19, 2022 by Voyager

[SCG_motoadve]

8 hours ago, WIS-Redcoat said:

I managed to get my hands on two 4090 for very little over "sticker".   I won't have it in a case for another two weeks but it definitely seems like they are easier to get than the 3090 release.

Did you buy yours from a shop in the USA? I am looking and all are sold out or $1,000 above retail.

[DBCOOPER011]

3 hours ago, SCG_motoadve said:

Did you buy yours from a shop in the USA? I am looking and all are sold out or $1,000 above retail.

I was able to get a gigabyte 4090 oc from antonline last friday for msrp, should be here saturday. I used the falcodrin twitch channel to identify if it was in stock and then be quick on the purchase. had to do this same routine to get my 3090....

 

https://www.twitch.tv/falcodrin

[1Sascha]

21 hours ago, Patricks said:

but the least expensive is still about $1750 US.. 

Looking at current prices in the EU/Germany, all I can say is: Consider yourself lucky..

 

 

S.

[Patricks]

4 minutes ago, 1Sascha said:

Looking at current prices in the EU/Germany, all I can say is: Consider yourself lucky..

 

 

S.

 

Well, with VAT it goes from €2050 to €2350 so not sure how lucky that is! 

 

[1Sascha]

41 minutes ago, Patricks said:

Well, with VAT it goes from €2050 to €2350 so not sure how lucky that is! 

Whoops... I failed to take your location into account. Yeah... I guess for US residents, that's a pretty good price. Not so much for us in the EU, wanting to import from the US at that price... ?

 

BTW: While some of the vendors who claimed they'd have 13900Ks in today are now stating it'd arrive "within a week or so", I found this offer from Mindfactory who say they have some in stock. Good vendor, BTW ... been buying hardware from them for years and years now, including my current PC I'm sitting at right now.

 

https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Intel-Core-i9-13900K-24--8-16--3-00GHz-So-1700-WOF_1468379.html

 

The green line up top states "in stock ... more than 5 available - more on the way"

 

S.

Edited October 20, 2022 by 1Sascha

[Patricks]

Amazon just listed the i9-13900KF so I grabbed it along with a Gigabyte Z690 Gaming X which will accept my 64Gb DDR4 Ram. Using a Corsair iCUE H150- closed loop liquid cooler, hopefully can just drop it in and Win11 Pro will set itself up properly.. from what I have read it should. Then when 4090 prices drop back to reality i'll drop one in!

[J2_Nedo]

On 10/18/2022 at 6:25 PM, Patricks said:

 can't wait to hear some opinions!

not to much difference with my new 4090 compared to my old 3090, At least not in IL-2,

i fly with the Valve Index VR. There is a bit more FPS in certain situations, but nothing really big.

Other games use the 4090 power better, ie. msfs2020 or cod mw2 man there i get almost 200fps in 4k.

 

 

[Patricks]

2 hours ago, J2_Nedo said:

not to much difference with my new 4090 compared to my old 3090, At least not in IL-2,

i fly with the Valve Index VR. There is a bit more FPS in certain situations, but nothing really big.

Other games use the 4090 power better, ie. msfs2020 or cod mw2 man there i get almost 200fps in 4k.

 

 

 

What CPU/memory config, you may be bottlenecked on the CPU end... or may not!

[SCG_motoadve]

Good to know, all the reviews say the performance of the 4090 is way above even the 3090Ti.

IL2 might not be optimized to take full advantage of the new 4090 technology?

I have a 3090 Ti , and was thinking of buying a 4090 after reading how much faster it was.

But if in IL2 we get just a minor FPS increase , then I will pass.

[J2_Nedo]

1 hour ago, Patricks said:

 

What CPU/memory config, you may be bottlenecked on the CPU end... or may not!

I run a i9-9900k, and not that I'm misunderstood i am satisfied with the VR result even with my old 3090,

i hope IL-2 will get DLSS3 support in the future, as other games using DLSS 3 double their fps in 2D/VR.

[Patricks]

14 minutes ago, J2_Nedo said:

I run a i9-9900k, and not that I'm misunderstood i am satisfied with the VR result even with my old 3090,

i hope IL-2 will get DLSS3 support in the future, as other games using DLSS 3 double their fps in 2D/VR.

 

That may be part of your issue, I currently run a i9-9900K @ 5.0gz myself also with my 3090 and I don't think this is a great match with the 4090. I'm building a new system based on a i9-13900KF for this very reason, will use the 3090 in it for now but will be ready for the 4090 when I buy one..

Edited October 24, 2022 by Patricks

[SCG_motoadve]

 

1 minute ago, Patricks said:

 

That may be part of your issue, I currently run a i9-9900K myself also with my 3090 and I don't think this is a great match with the 4090. I'm building a new system based on a i9-13900KF for this very reason, will use the 3090 in it for now but will be ready for the 4090 when I buy one..

Do you think an i9-13900KF will give you a much better performance in IL2? With the same 3090?

 

I am interested to see this, please keep us posted.

cheaper to upgrade to a new processor and board.

[Patricks]

Just now, SCG_motoadve said:

 

Do you think an i9-13900KF will give you a much better performance in IL2? With the same 3090?

 

I am interested to see this, please keep us posted.

cheaper to upgrade to a new processor and board.

 

I really don't know for sure, but the new PCI5 (Gigabyte Gaming X DDDR4) board w/ a 13900 @ 5.8 (maybe to 6gz with my water cooling?)  should give some boost, but I will run some benchmarks before and after using my 3090 so I have a good basis for comparison when I plug a 4090 in..

 

[J2_Nedo]

7 minutes ago, Patricks said:

That may be part of your issue,

well for IL-2 maybe, in all the other games/apps the 4090 is so much faster then the 3090, even with my old CPU.

[BBAS_Tiki_Joe]

Valve Index, i9-10900kf OC to 5.0ghz, 32 GB Ram. Previous card was a 3080 gtx. Without changing the settings between the two card in IL2, I went from 60 fps to 140fps with the 4090. Now I have everything maxed out with MSAA set to 4x in game, upped my super sampling a bit and pull almost a solid 90fps, still dipps down especially on Normandy to around 70fps. but that the only map it really does it it. I don't know what it is a bout Normandy, but my squad who almost all use VR says the same thing. Normandy is actually almost unplayable for some of them due to low frame rates in VR with their current setup. Maybe needs more optimizing. I still get the micro stutters with too many planes, AI etc. in one area but nothing is going to change that. I have a feeling that you could have something twice as powerful as the 4090 and the best CPU available and you'd still get slow downs with having more than 15+ planes in one area. I think its an engine limitation rather than hardware. Other games, DCS look pretty awesome, and I'm finally at a FPS and smoothness in that game in VR that I'm willing to play it. MSFS is also absolutely fantastic in VR now!. 

Edited October 24, 2022 by BBAS_Tiki_Joe

[WIS-Redcoat]

I will fly tonight and post what I see.  I have a i9-12900k so maybe it'll be different.  I am using the Varjo Aero which apparently doesn't play well with the 4090 yet so it might be all for naught until they release their update.

 

 

[SCG_motoadve]

6 hours ago, BBAS_Tiki_Joe said:

Valve Index, i9-10900kf OC to 5.0ghz, 32 GB Ram. Previous card was a 3080 gtx. Without changing the settings between the two card in IL2, I went from 60 fps to 140fps with the 4090. Now I have everything maxed out with MSAA set to 4x in game, upped my super sampling a bit and pull almost a solid 90fps, still dipps down especially on Normandy to around 70fps. but that the only map it really does it it. I don't know what it is a bout Normandy, but my squad who almost all use VR says the same thing. Normandy is actually almost unplayable for some of them due to low frame rates in VR with their current setup. Maybe needs more optimizing. I still get the micro stutters with too many planes, AI etc. in one area but nothing is going to change that. I have a feeling that you could have something twice as powerful as the 4090 and the best CPU available and you'd still get slow downs with having more than 15+ planes in one area. I think its an engine limitation rather than hardware. Other games, DCS look pretty awesome, and I'm finally at a FPS and smoothness in that game in VR that I'm willing to play it. MSFS is also absolutely fantastic in VR now!. 

Which 4090 did you get?

[dburne]

5 hours ago, WIS-Redcoat said:

I will fly tonight and post what I see.  I have a i9-12900k so maybe it'll be different.  I am using the Varjo Aero which apparently doesn't play well with the 4090 yet so it might be all for naught until they release their update.

 

 

 

Yeah I would not expect much currently. Hopefully they will have the fix out soon, they have tested it internally and are now testing with a larger group of closed beta testers.

Edited October 24, 2022 by dburne

[BBAS_Tiki_Joe]

1 hour ago, SCG_motoadve said:

Which 4090 did you get?

Gigabyte

[Airborne-1980]

My trigger finger is really itching me. I just got a Pimax 8kx and I'm wondering if the upgrade will be worth it. I'm running a 10900k with a 3090. I'm thinking about going to 13900k to pair with the 4090. I feel like an addict to be honest, I wonder if it will ever be good enough ... I simply just don't know. If anyone with the 8kx  went for the upgrade, kindly let me know how it goes.

 

My best

Edited October 24, 2022 by Airborne-1980

[Dallas88B]

7 hours ago, dburne said:

Yeah I would not expect much currently. Hopefully they will have the fix out soon, they have tested it internally and are now testing with a larger group of closed beta testers.

 

If your considering a 4090 be aware of this

 

 

 

[1Sascha]

18 hours ago, BBAS_Tiki_Joe said:

still dipps down especially on Normandy to around 70fps. but that the only map it really does it it. I don't know what it is a bout Normandy, but my squad who almost all use VR says the same thing.

I'll say the same thing, too. Kuban can also be problematic on occasion, but Normandy seems to be the worst for me WRT performance. Just yesterday I was using it again with settings that worked very well on Kuban and perfectly on Stalingrad and it was a bit of a slide-show once a small-ish group of B-26s and their Spit escorts appeared. Pretty sure it's not just the map, since huge groups of twin-engined bombers can also give me a bit of trouble on other maps, but that problem is way worse on Normandy than on any other map.

 

 

9 hours ago, Airborne-1980 said:

I'm running a 10900k with a 3090. I'm thinking about going to 13900k to pair with the 4090.

Yeah ... I suspect that 10900 *might* be a bottleneck when paired with the 4090. But who knows? Perhaps it's even bottlenecking your 3090, since, IIRC, there was a pretty significant jump in performance with Intel from 11th to 12th gen.

 

3 hours ago, Dallas88B said:

If your considering a 4090 be aware of this

 

Yeah... Jay of Jayz2Cents seems to be in full "cats and dogs living together!!"-mode over this. And I can kinda see why because who would want their $1500+ video card to catch on fire because of a crappy plug-design?

 

S.

Edited October 25, 2022 by 1Sascha

[firdimigdi]

53 minutes ago, 1Sascha said:

Pretty sure it's not just the map, since huge groups of twin-engined bombers can also give me a bit of trouble on other maps, but that problem is way worse on Normandy than on any other map.

 

And it's not just in VR; it's recently starting to get reported from players with >60Hz refresh rate monitors as well. No matter what CPU/GPU you throw at it currently it won't get past some sort of thread-locking issue the game eventually displays in singleplayer mode. It's basically made all the official scripted campaigns almost impossible to play comfortably since it appears that the physics/simulation thread is waiting for something to complete calculations all the time even if there's plenty of CPU headroom (plus as I've mentioned a few times so far, there's an increase in the CPU time a function of the UI consumes with each active AI added to the scene even if you are not displaying the HUD or anything of the UI). Which is a pity as in the past I had played through a couple of them with a lower spec rig with no such issues; alas replaying them with the new weather/sky effects is not to be it seems.

 

But good luck getting enough people to collectively present the case for this and get some sort of response about it (even if it's simply "we can't do anything at all about this, you'll have to live with it"). In no time you get all the apologists trying to convince you that you are doing something wrong or that "oh it's just another VR player - these guys are always whining about performance, nothing to see here", then someone with a VR headset will come up saying "oh it's all fine for me at 30fps" and the thread gets derailed in to a dozen conflicting reports.

 

Edited October 25, 2022 by firdimigdi

[Patricks]

10 hours ago, Airborne-1980 said:

My trigger finger is really itching me. I just got a Pimax 8kx and I'm wondering if the upgrade will be worth it. I'm running a 10900k with a 3090. I'm thinking about going to 13900k to pair with the 4090. I feel like an addict to be honest, I wonder if it will ever be good enough ... I simply just don't know. If anyone with the 8kx  went for the upgrade, kindly let me know how it goes.

 

My best

 

Unless you need/want CPU integrated Intel graphics for some reason I would go with the i9-13900KF.. Slightly cheaper, slightly better performance - https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/5022vs5055/Intel-Core-i9-13900K-vs-Intel-Core-i9-13900KF

[1Sascha]

53 minutes ago, firdimigdi said:

And it's not just in VR; it's recently starting to get reported from players with >60Hz refresh rate monitors as well. No matter what CPU/GPU you throw at it currently it won't get past some sort of thread-locking issue the game eventually displays in singleplayer mode.

Interesting. Haven't flown in non-VR in a while, but I'll definitely check it out now. Game used to run flawlessly in 1440p on high/ultra for me in the past on my 165 Hz monitor. Pretty much 165 FPS all the time.

 

 

S.

[firdimigdi]

44 minutes ago, 1Sascha said:

Haven't flown in non-VR in a while, but I'll definitely check it out now.

 

Please do - in an AI-busy scenario note how things appear from your 9 to 12 and 3 to 12 when rolling or when near an AI while at max fps. If you have any of the official scripted campaigns it makes it easy, some missions start with the shenanigans from the get-go.

 

PS: we should probably take this to another thread as we're venturing in to a different topic

 

Edited October 25, 2022 by firdimigdi

[dburne]

6 hours ago, Dallas88B said:

 

If your considering a 4090 be aware of this

 

 

 

 

Yeah no not on my end,  had already decided I will likely skip generation 40xx.  In any event won't say never but right now I am leaning toward staying with my 3090 for a while. Plus I have a lot of real world stuff going on currently.

Edited October 25, 2022 by dburne

[simfan2015]

dburne, what kind of performance do you get out of your 3090 in VR ???

Are you completely happy with that Aero and the 3090, or is it not enough in some scenarios ?

[dburne]

38 minutes ago, simfan2015 said:

dburne, what kind of performance do you get out of your 3090 in VR ???

Are you completely happy with that Aero and the 3090, or is it not enough in some scenarios ?

 

Probably some scenarios I wish it had more oomph but overall I am very pleased with how it runs on my rig.

[simfan2015]

Then maybe hardly much need to get that 4090, especially as long as those new 12v connector's are a ... fire hazard !

My 3070 OC can't really cope with the PICO 4 VR needs.

But I will now wait for the 4080 and hope those connectors are no longer a potential problem.

Edited October 25, 2022 by simfan2015