How Does DCS compare with BoS

[pilotpierre]

Flight Sim experience so far:

 

Fighting Falcon on an Atari 520 (yes I am getting on in years)

Several others I that cant remember their names

Il2 from Demo until RoF was released

CLOD until I gave it up as a bad joke

RoF from release until now

Bos from release.

 

I am toying with getting DCS but I am not sure if it would be a let down after Bos.

 

I'm not really interested in long drawn out start up procedures, BoS has the right mix of CEM for me.

 

Not keen on jet missile type scenerios and I had a helo sim some time ago that wasnt overly good and didnt keep my interest for long.

 

Should I keep considering having a dabble of stick with BoS?

 

Please guys, dont let this be the start of an urgumentative post, I am just interested in some opinions of those who fly both DCS and BoS.

Edited July 23, 2014 by pilotpierre

[Feathered_IV]

I think the DCS World base game is free to play, and the Frogfoot is included to practice on. So you could give it a whirl with no money down.

 

I must admit I have both DCS and BoS. However I never use DCS, as I find the empty sandbox philosophy makes for a very dull experience.

[IIN8II]

I am also contemplating getting some DCS aircraft. I am going to try the free frogfoot/p51 before I spend any money on it. My only apprehension is extreme learning curve. 

[AbortedMan]

It's really not hard to fly once you get the start up procedure bound to the appropriate keys. After playing a couple times and realizing what's necessary it's literally just flicking a few obvious switches and starting it up. The p51 in DCS is nowhere near the complexity of the a10 that DCS is known for.

[Nage]

@pierre - CLOD with TF patches is different story..

Now it has a large mp playet base. Did you try DCS Mustang? If wer talking about fm alone, its my best experience in my simming history ( Im also summing from eaely 90ss). Cem in DCS Mustang isnt that hard at all...

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

DCS World is free and comes with a Su-25T. It's a simple thing to learn and if you can grasp the aircraft in BoS, you're good for Su-25T. It's pretty much turn-key, receive engine thrust. Right Alt+Home and Right Ctrl+Home, both engines are spooling up.

 

DO NOT BUY the individual Su-25, A-10A, or F-15C. At $15 US a pop, they're over priced. If any of those interest you, just get Flaming Cliffs 3 which has all three of those in addition to Su-27, Su-33, MiG-29A, MiG-29G, and MiG-29S. It goes for $39.99 US.

[Matt]

I was not the biggest fan of modern era flightsims myself, but DCS has changed that. I'm having a lot of fun with the A-10 and (to a lesser degree) with the SU-25T and Ka-50 and i think with those modules, DCS really shines. It's just a very rewarding feeling to start from the ramp, operating all systems correctly and then land after a long and (hopefully) sucessful mission. Of course in full simulation mode, you need to spend a lot of time learning all the controls (in the A-10, the Thrustmaster Warthog helps a bit), but for me, it was definately worth it in the end.

 

I also own the P-51 and while the modelling of that plane is perfection in pratically every regard, there's just not much you can do with it, apart from learning to operate the systems and fly the plane and maybe shoot down a few Fw-190. DCS 1944 might change this, but it's far away until we have a bigger number of planes avaliable. 

 

For me personally, DCS is currently the modern era ground attack flightsim and BoS is the WW2 flightsim. I would not recommend getting the P-51 if you're looking for a WW2 experience, but if you just want to fly the P-51, then it's of course the best avaliable right now.

[Chuck_Owl]

Flight Sim experience so far:

 

Fighting Falcon on an Atari 520 (yes I am getting on in years)

Several others I that cant remember their names

Il2 from Demo until RoF was released

CLOD until I gave it up as a bad joke

RoF from release until now

Bos from release.

 

I am toying with getting DCS but I am not sure if it would be a let down after Bos.

 

I'm not really interested in long drawn out start up procedures, BoS has the right mix of CEM for me.

 

Not keen on jet missile type scenerios and I had a helo sim some time ago that wasnt overly good and didnt keep my interest for long.

 

Should I keep considering having a dabble of stick with BoS?

 

Please guys, dont let this be the start of an urgumentative post, I am just interested in some opinions of those who fly both DCS and BoS.

 

I do fly DCS extensively (all modules) and I fly CloD as well (and to be honest, TF's latest patches make it really worth giving a looksie... IMHO, it is as good, if not better (but that's debateable, of course), than the current BoS version we have). I flew Il-2 1946, RoF and FSX as well. So... I do think I have a pretty good perspective of every sim on the market.

 

DCS modules have fully clickable cockpits. It might be very offputting at first, but you really have to give it a try. But let's be real for a minute. Lots of people find DCS too difficult, too complex. They don't want to wait 10 minutes before they're even able to get off the ground, y'know... And that's perfectly understandable. There is a steep learning curve to DCS. But not all modules are the same. You have the A-10 and the Black Shark, which are the most complex modules. They require dozens (if not hundreds) of hours in order to operate them properly. And then, you have the more accessible modules. I'm talking about the Huey, the P-51 and the Mi-8.

 

Of course, I won't write a whole novel about every DCS module. I'll just talk about the P-51. I have trained many people on the P-51. I know how newcomers feel, what their fears are and why they're "scared" to take the jump. Heck, I didn't fly the P-51 a whole month after I bought it before someone actually forced me to learn the ropes. And it paid off. People often tell me that they don't like DCS because they want to fly, not take 10 minutes just to take off. What I generally do is show them how easy it can be. Taking off, if you know what you're doing, can be done almost as rapidly as in BoS. But the immersion is much more satisfying.

 

Usually, I just jump into a server with the student and demonstrate. I briefly make a quick tour of the cockpit and explain the instruments and the different switches. It usually takes 5 minutes to explain what goes where and what does what. Nothing you're not already familiar with if you have already flown WW2 warbirds. And then, I explain the procedure. If I do it fast enough, I can be in the air in less than a minute. At some point, you're so used to it that you can do it in your sleep. Here's an example of the P-51 start-up procedure:

 

"Flaps at 0

Carbuteror Cold and Warm Air controls set to RAM AIR and NORMAL

Battery on

Generator On

Pop Coolant System (Radiator) cover and set both switches (Air Rad and Oil Rad) set to AUTO

Mixture Control set at Idle-Cutoff

Crank the Throttle Handle just a bit

Fuel Booster Pump switch ON

Ignition Switch (Magnetos) set to BOTH

Fuel Shut-off valve ON

Fuel Selector Valve set to Left Main Tank

Parking Brake ON

Hold Primer Switch for 4 seconds

Hold Starter Switch and wait for the prop to spool

Set Mixture Control to RUN

Perform Takeoff Checklist (RPM, Manifold Pressure/Boost)

Release Parking Brakes and taxi to the runway... and Voila!"

 

After 15 minutes, the student is usually able to start the aircraft by himself, takeoff and land without any external help. My theory with DCS is that you just need to have someone walk you through the procedure on teamspeak and teach you what you need to know. Once you've got the basics, you can do anything.

 

The thing with DCS is that it gives you a much better understanding of how the aircraft actually works. It also helped me learn the benefits of energy fighting because the aircraft behaves a bit differently than it does in BOS. If you don't fly in an energy-efficient manner, you will just get molested by the AI. Flying smart in DCS is rewarding and I cannot recommend it enough to anyone interested in aviation.

 

There are interesting P-51 missions available on the forums (both SP and MP... and sometimes we even adapt Single Player missions to Multiplayer using the mission editor... which makes COOP a really fun experience!). There is also a WWII server (Dogs of War) that allows Player vs Player and they're preparing themselves for the arrival of the FW-190 Dora this august. 

 

I could also tell you how realistic the aircraft feels, how great the physics are modelled, how... but I won't go into that. I'll let you experience for yourself. I'm just saying... for 40 bucks, the P-51 is a steal. My only regret is that I did not give it a try earlier.

 

Needless to say, DCS projects for 2014 are nothing short of mindblowing. They are planning a DCS-level Spitfire Mk IX, Bf.109K-4, P-47, and a FW-190 D-9. VEAO is also working on a P-40F, a Spitfire Mk XIV, a Bearcat and a Ha-112 Buchon. They also announced that they were talking with partners about doing eventually a Hawker Typhoon, a Hurricane and a Lancaster later on.

Edited July 23, 2014 by 71st_AH_Chuck

[snowsnipersnow_sniper]

P51 is just the fligh sim experience you must have, if you want feeling and realism. For difficulty : after affecting the right keys on your keyboard and stick, in one day i was able to 

start up, fligh and land in full real . looks easier than landing a lagg 3 without boucing. 

 

anyway : it's not an historical flighsim as other planes, map and so on are nowadays parts. So it looks like you flight in a flight simulator like a very good fsx with nice realistic FM, not a wwii fligh sim. but you can shoot guns and rocket and Fw190 ai.

 

[hiro]

I'd recommend to try out DCS. They both have a different feel. I'll give my opinion but as you know, everyone feels things differently, so you'd be the best judge for yourself.

 

 

The main thing that stood out is BoS seems more fluid and gives a more a "feeling" of flying. Since there is no P-51 and no Dora to compare, I can't really explain why. . . but a good % would be the game engines used.

 

DCS gives a somewhat  different feeling for the P-51 as it flies, but its nails it for realism (real p-51 rides) feel, it seems more exact / robotic and the controls and flight prep matches actual flying more closer than anything. Also the physics and FM are on point. Maybe the late war updates vs the Stalingrad era?

 

I think they did a better job with the A-10 because that has the "feeling" of flying that BoS has (maybe the engine was designed for jets but any decent coder and quality DCS they would make it match). 

 

Also I notice DCS taxes the machine I'm using much more than BOS does. 

 

The AI in DCS is uber, so you have to fly right,  but the DM is weird, I can cook other mustangs quickly yet sometimes it takes lots of peppering. The Dora is even more crazier, sometimes a single burst will tear a wing off, but other times I'll empty the mguns and it's more like a P-47 and keeps on going. This one time at luft camp it turned Old 666 B-17 and I was the zero, I had it smoking and on fire but the whoa Boomshakalaka, he's on fire! Dora after shooting down three times (I and AI) like in NBA jam.

 

 

Also sometimes the planes can be burning and smoking and still act like they are not damaged at all. 

 

But there DM for dubya two still is being worked on. The p-51's is finished, but I think they're going to work it more. 

 

 

I don't know if the DM was more geared to missile tags and high impact cannon (the A-10 and the blackshark cannon is like a one hit wonder). Oh and if you like feeling sadistic have the pony go after jaws, unfortunately air is the new water . . . 

 

 

DCS is more complicated overall, but we'ere simmers, so that shouldn't matter. 

 

 

 

DCS are good devs like the ones here, I mean look at what they did to the dubya project. Lots of peeps were unhappy but the norm of most companies in that situation would have cut and run. 

Edited July 23, 2014 by hiro

[Pringliano]

Well, pretty much anything I could say has been said by the others, but:

 

1) 1.2.8 of DCS free to play now includes the Tf51d, so, you can actually try it's superb flight and systems modeling - UNIQUE!

 

2) I bought all aircraft ( including rotary wing ) modules, more as a form of supporting the cause because I do not play the modern fighters. I keep flying circuits in the uh-1h and Mi1-8 helicopters, and now also training sling load, and thanks to the remarkable experience that IL2 BOS brought to my simmer life, I began using the p51d online at the Dogs of War server in what I expect to one day become ACM, because presently I am a sitting duck for the other players :-/

 

3) From someone who has long been searching for the closest to real prop aircraft flight dynamics, and gave up using any other civil flight simulators ( which I used for more than 20 yrs ), I think I can say that IL2 BOS and DCS World, at least in as far as modelling a powerful ww2 prop aircraft goes, and although the p51d is not available in IL2 BOS, are ex-aequo in terms of the SUPERB flight dynamics.

 

4) By far the damage model in IL2 BOS is more detailed than what we get in DCS's p51d or, even worse the AI fw-190

 

5) Spotting other aircraft in DCS World is very difficult - VERY!  I am getting used to IL2 BOS in Expert mode, and I confess I end up playing it a lot more than DCS World because of this. Things might change with the upcoming EDGE graphics engine in DCS World.

 

6) Historically, although I confess that is not what I look for in the first place, using DCS World for ww2 scenarios is... ridiculous, to say the least. I bought the pre-release fw-190 module to benefit from the €10 discount, and am really looking forward to test it :-)  Having the talented work of Yo-Yo ( the brain behind the FDM of the p51d ) is a guarantee of quality and attention to detail, I am sure! Although the fw-190 models will not be the same, I will also look forward to compare between the IL2 BOS and the DSC versions.

 

Pilotpierre, please go ahead and pick the free to play DCS World 1.2.8, and test the now free p51d! You want regret, I am almost sure, and... I will probably be able to join you in the Dogs of War server one of these days :-)

 

And, BTW, thanks for starting this very interesting thread. I am sure that it will go th eright way, with informed opinion from all of those who are really enjoying both simulators, because they're both enjoyable - a LOT!

Edited July 23, 2014 by jcomm

[Revvin]

DCS World is free to download and comes with the Su-25T Frogfoot and the TF-51D which is an unarmed Mustang so you'd get a good idea of the flight model for a prop engined plane and a jet without needing to buy anything. DCS is in for some exciting times ahead with the new EDGE game engine update being released this year and their first and third party line-up of modules is looking fantastic. Eagle Dynamics third party developer program is really starting to get into its stride now with a number of modules already released and a mind boggling list of aircraft to come. I spoke to one of their third party developers at the Flying Legends airshow at Duxford this month and was really impressed with what they were able to show and the list of modules they have planned. I think its a really good time for anyone to dip their toe in the water and see what DCS is all about.

[Tektolnes]

Re #4 the damage model in the P51 is actually a lot more detailed than the current DM in BOS. You can check out what got damaged after a fight and the level of things that can get damaged is immense right down to a single solenoid getting knocked out. The visual DM isn't great currently in DCS which is something they've acknowledged and the AI DM for the 190 is also not great but I imagine that will change now that they are just about to release the full 190. 

[Pringliano]

Re #4 the damage model in the P51 is actually a lot more detailed than the current DM in BOS. You can check out what got damaged after a fight and the level of things that can get damaged is immense right down to a single solenoid getting knocked out. The visual DM isn't great currently in DCS which is something they've acknowledged and the AI DM for the 190 is also not great but I imagine that will change now that they are just about to release the full 190. 

 

Yes, you're absolutely right - I meant the "visual" DM, and not the actual detail of the inflicted damages, although the AAA tends to knock out my regulator a bit too often :-/

[pilotpierre]

Thanks for all the detailed responses guys. I guess I have nothing to lose by getting the freebee with the Frogfoot and P51 thrown in.

 

However, I will wait until I give the FW 190 a good workout on BoS, and the (to be released in July) Handroit in RoF. Too many new toys at once and I'll end up with a tension headache with the indecision of what to fly when I flash up the PC (that is used exclusively for RoF and BoS)

 

Once again thank you all for your responses.

[Asparagin-]

Just an observation: A thread like this would be closed in a matter of hours in the DCS forum. Hats down to the mods here and team who understand that such disscutions can take place civilized and marketing shouldn't mean everything especially in the flight sim community.

[Picchio]

However empty its scenario may come as it is, there is also proven excellence in user-made missions.

I've tried many, but in my opinion these set the standard, and they form up perhaps the best and most immersive and meaningful scripted campaign I've ever experienced: http://www3.sympatico.ca/tlaschuk/mapleflagmissions/dcsa10c.html. A-10C, though, and not for free.

The same developers are working on something similar for the Mustang as well, you may want to keep an eye on them even if you're uncomfortable with procedures.

Personally, I've learned to appreciate and love them thanks to these guys; these missions also gave me a somewhat decent reason to study the manual. But that's probably because I'm more for single-player. If you get in one of those clubs it might be easier.

Edited July 23, 2014 by Picchio

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

Just an observation: A thread like this would be closed in a matter of hours in the DCS forum. Hats down to the mods here and team who understand that such disscutions can take place civilized and marketing shouldn't mean everything especially in the flight sim community.

Not to go off too far on this tangent, but ED has perfected the art of breeding customer dissatisfaction. If 777 were to make a 50's-60's Jet sim, I'd be hurling my money at these guys. Sabres and Hunters and Fishbeds, Oh my!

Edited July 23, 2014 by MiG21bisFishbedL

[mondog]

For me they provide different experiences. DCS for the most part is an exact simulation of a pilots life. It requires quite allot of learning to get into but is rewarding. BoS (and 1946) is more casual and for me, more immersive. I'm enjoying myself more rather than remembering a specific sequence of buttons - which if I screw up I lose turbine blades out the side of my aircraft. I like DCS but if I want a few brews, get on a TS and fly some missions with friends - well, its not conducive to having a few beers. 

 

 You have the A-10 and the Black Shark, which are the most complex modules. They require dozens (if not hundreds) of hours in order to operate them properly. And then, you have the more accessible modules. I'm talking about the Huey, the P-51 and the Mi-8.

 

Out of all of them (I have the A10, P51 and Blackshark) I found the Blackshark the easiest to get to grips with. I still have problems remembering the start up sequence but overall the systems I found fairly easy to manage and the weapon systems very easy to use, certainly compared with the A10. Its just a case of remembering what keys you've assigned things too. My main beef with DCS is lack of in game tutorials. Something that I really missed after Lomac with its A10 tutorial. 

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

 

 

 

Out of all of them (I have the A10, P51 and Blackshark) I found the Blackshark the easiest to get to grips with. I still have problems remembering the start up sequence but overall the systems I found fairly easy to manage and the weapon systems very easy to use, certainly compared with the A10. Its just a case of remembering what keys you've assigned things too. My main beef with DCS is lack of in game tutorials. Something that I really missed after Lomac with its A10 tutorial. 

The Ka-50 also a very stable and forgiving rotorcraft, allowing the student to relax while he dicks about and learns.

Edited July 23, 2014 by MiG21bisFishbedL

[Revvin]

Just an observation: A thread like this would be closed in a matter of hours in the DCS forum. Hats down to the mods here and team who understand that such disscutions can take place civilized and marketing shouldn't mean everything especially in the flight sim community.

 

Not in my experience it wouldn't. It would simply be moved to the appropriate forum as it has been done with this thread on this forum. They have an 'other sims' forum where BoS, Rise of Flight, War Thunder etc. can be discussed. I've been on that forum for 10 years and never had a post deleted or moved, here I've had a couple removed without explanation.  

[FlatSpinMan]

Just an observation: A thread like this would be closed in a matter of hours in the DCS forum. Hats down to the mods here and team who understand that such disscutions can take place civilized and marketing shouldn't mean everything especially in the flight sim community.

 

Ha! It just happens that I'm on holiday with the family and didn't get around to it

[Requiem]

I've always though DCS World is brilliant. I have the A-10 and the P-51 and really enjoy them when I get to fly them. If you like ground pounding and detailed systems then the you will love the A-10. I can't recommend it enough. The only problem is that you will need to dedicate some time to it so you understand its systems and how to utilise them efficiently. Otherwise once you hit a combat area you head will be on fire and everything seems to happen too fast. Plus you need to fly it every now and again to keep up to speed. I haven't flown the A-10 for a while now so my proficiency would be very low.

 

 The P-51 is much simpler. Once you know the cockpit layout and startup procedure you will be good to go. The modern stuff is mainly about the systems management, but the P-51 lets you focus on enjoying the flying. If the DCS WWII modules are as good as the P-51 then it could really be something to behold as the planeset expands, but it may stumble if new the EDGE engine doesn't provide the performance improvements needed for SP/MP to help those who don't have the most updated PC gear.

 

The AI in DCS is probably better than in BoS right now. For example, against the Fw 190 or P-51 AI you need to be on your game to defeat it. I'm not sure if there is some inherent advantage the AI has (apart from being AI of course), but it retains energy extremely well, so starting from a neutral position it can be difficult to gain the advantage after the merge to kill it. The BoS AI also has a weird fluttering of the control surfaces when it flies the plane, and this makes the plane rock back and forth instead of it flying with smooth movements. I haven't seen that occur in DCS yet.

 

I haven't flown DCS for a while, I'll have to run it up again over the weekend

[siipperi]

Pierre, I don't know how much you are into modern jets but I really suggest you to take a peek to DCS A10C. Don't bother with P51D before they release Dora, not saying it's not worth of trying but considering experience can be a much better when they get their WW2 scenario fully going.

 

So about A10. One of those things WW2 fans usually arent so much into, jets.... But it's one of those planes that its pretty safe to say everyone who went deeper than just few hours of flying have enjoyed it really much. It takes time to learn and more time to master but it's one of those things that I think every simfreak should try out.

 

As I said WW2 element of DCS isn't that good atm because of lack of theater and lack of planes but if you interested, download DCS World from steam/from their website and try it for free. Su 25T and TF 51D comes free with it (TF51D is basically same as P51 but without weapons and piggyback seat). Def worth of trying and more so after they release DCS 2 later this year with multiple new planes and more maps and new graphic engine.

[AndyJWest]

I don't think there is any question that DCS models aircraft well. There is more to air combat simulation than just the aircraft though, and I'm not sure they really have the commitment to do justice to a WW2 sim, particularly after the RRG debacle. The Normandy map is promised, but beyond that we really don't know what their plans are. Their current business model seems to revolve around producing individual aircraft, with little real commitment to producing an integrated whole - but there has been nothing announced beyond the map as to what they are doing to create a proper WW2 environment. I hope they make a go of it, but experience suggests that it may be a long time coming

Edited July 23, 2014 by AndyJWest

[Krause]

Normandy Map coming soon... P-51 FW 190. ME 109. ME 262. Spifire.. I'm melting

Edited July 23, 2014 by Krause

[BlueHeron]

I've found the helicopter experience to be the best part of DCS.  Whether it's the ultra modern Ka-50 or the classic Huey, I've found that the campaigns are a lot of fun and the flight experience is unmatched.

 

If you're interested in choppers, I say go for it!  If you're looking for a solid WWII flying experience you're probably better off sticking with BoS for now.

[MiloMorai]

Normandy Map coming soon... P-51 FW 190. ME 109. ME 262. Spifire.. I'm melting

 

At least they are doing a proper 109, the 1.80ata K-4, not the fantasy 1.98ata K-4 which some were lobbying for.

[AndyJWest]

The Huey is a gem - which is more than can be said for my efforts to fly it.

[J2_Trupobaw]

At the moment, I have impression "C" in DCS really stands for "cockpit" - the flight physics is great and the cockpit interaction is unmatched... but every time I look outside the cockpit i get the "meh" reaction -  the generic looking scenery with post-Soviet buildings and infrastructure is less than interesting, or good looking. Every time I try flying DCS, I soon  get feeling that whatever I fly over is made as addition to plane I'm sitting in (rather than enviroment my plane is part of). It's like playing FPS game where gun models, ballistics and enemies are top notch, but all other models and map layouts are boring generic  as if my gun/plane was photoshopped into screen from different game.  The endless snow deserts of BoS are far from my favorite scenery, but still they are much easier to relate to.

Time will tell if new sceneries (WW2 and US one) will be made better, made  to represent more interesting areas, or my problem proves to be part of terrain representation in DCS rather than Black Sea map. 

Edited July 23, 2014 by Trupobaw

[Nage]

Well, pretty much anything I could say has been said by the others, but:

 

1) 1.2.8 of DCS free to play now includes the Tf51d, so, you can actually try it's superb flight and systems modeling - UNIQUE!

 

2) I bought all aircraft ( including rotary wing ) modules, more as a form of supporting the cause because I do not play the modern fighters. I keep flying circuits in the uh-1h and Mi1-8 helicopters, and now also training sling load, and thanks to the remarkable experience that IL2 BOS brought to my simmer life, I began using the p51d online at the Dogs of War server in what I expect to one day become ACM, because presently I am a sitting duck for the other players :-/

 

3) From someone who has long been searching for the closest to real prop aircraft flight dynamics, and gave up using any other civil flight simulators ( which I used for more than 20 yrs ), I think I can say that IL2 BOS and DCS World, at least in as far as modelling a powerful ww2 prop aircraft goes, and although the p51d is not available in IL2 BOS, are ex-aequo in terms of the SUPERB flight dynamics.

 

4) By far the damage model in IL2 BOS is more detailed than what we get in DCS's p51d or, even worse the AI fw-190

In fact dm is ok, but the visuals of fm are bad. However some of that is already tuned and will be ok for europe 44 release. My only concern was mp stability but as I heard that was improved in latest patches. We will se how it will be in europe 44....

[SYN_Lt_Dan]

F-86F Sabre coming this sat!!!!     

[Sokol1]

(Free) DCS World include - besides the Su-27T - the TF-51D, the P-51D without guns/rockets. Give a try.

 

Sokol1

[Praetor]

Cliffs of Dover with the TF mods make it more realistic than anything but DCS at the moment, including Stalingrad.

 

The problem is that multiplayer lacks meaning in anything out there except Aces High and the flight model there, while decent, is dated.

Edited July 23, 2014 by Praetor

[johncage]

the only thing dcs simulates better than bos are avionics and clickable cockpits. basically anything having to do with the computer systems in its flyable vehicles.

[Relix]

Keep an eye out, they have sales fairly regularly.  The Huey is a blast to fly and shoot stuff with!

[SharpeXB]

The "Advanced Systems" (clickable pit) aircraft in DCS are challenging but rewarding to master. It's a great feeling of achievement to breeze through the A-10C operations by memory. For me at this point starting the Hog is like pressing "E"

It took about two months of practice to get the whole aircraft figured out.

DCS unlike many other sims (Cliffs of Dover) provides well written clear manuals and descriptions of all aspect if operating the planes.

(Why did CoD spend all the effort to model clickable pits and then give zero instructions on how to operate the aircraft? Oh never mind...)

Easily RoF and DCS are the best combat flight sims to date (BoS will be too no doubt)

I like them both for different reasons.

DCS has the flight model and aircraft operations perfected. RoF has excellent fligh modeling but in place of systems makes a really good game around the aircraft. This is where DCS falls short. RoFs Career Mode is amazing. DCS could do better with the game as a whole. The P-51D is fantastic but there's no game built around it. The Modern aircraft have a good world to operate in and hopefully WWII gets launched. But for now the Mustang is idle for me.

[RAY-EU]

The Best way should be DCS join with Il2 Sturmovik and 777 studios and the tecnical Online posible to Reach the Perfection with all cabin Every button clicable mouse ...

 

like Dcs :A10C cliquing with mouse So a big project Online compatible with the Oculus DK2 or DK4 .

 

I presume Only 777 studios can Reach this enormous project For the tecnic complexity and Cost and make It Perfect so realice

Corea 1950 War , Vietnam , Sinai ,Irak1&2 and WW3 step by step .

 

But Il2 Sturmovik BOS and 777 studios Now in WW2 have a lot of thinks to do :battle of Mid Way , Pearl Harbor , battle of Britain or 1945 .

 

Mine Wile they can do playable Online : Thanks (like Dcs), ships , carriers and infantry ...

 

But after 1946 years later goes Corea War ...etc... Who knows ...

[Nage]

the only thing dcs simulates better than bos are avionics and clickable cockpits. basically anything having to do with the computer systems in its flyable vehicles.

I think FMs are way better. I mean look at the roll rates of BOS planes.

[Volkoff]

Well, I had a spare giftcard, from way back when, and I used it to pick up the DCS-F-86F, a purchase I was not otherwise intending to make. I am very glad that I did. The DCS F-86F is a hoot. The start up procedure is surprisingly easy. If you try the free to play Mustang Tf-51D. The TF-51D start up procedure is more complex than the start up procedure for the Sabre.

 

Here is a video of my first time with the Sabre. Please note that I accidentally forgot to record the sound, so i put a song in. The song has profanity and is not suited to every person's taste. So apologies, if you do not like the music:

 

https://vimeo.com/101825493