Latest Win 11 2H 22 update

[[CPT]Crunch]

Fair warning if your using a NVIDIA GPU, you might want to hold off.  Hit my game like a hammer, no FPS no matter what settings.

 

https://mspoweruser.com/fixed-windows-11-2022-update-causes-performance-issues-to-nvidia-gpu-users/

[dburne]

I got the update a few days ago but have not really been able yet to do any flight simming as I am still in early stages of recovering from spinal surgery. I need to be able to use my neck better than I can as I am in VR.

Sounds like the fix will be pushed out next week though.

Edited October 8, 2022 by dburne

[No_85_Gramps]

Absolutely no issues with 22H2 here, running since it was recently released. My understanding was that this only affected users running GeForce Experience. The fix corrected that problem.  I never install GFE.

[[CPT]Crunch]

I've never installed it either, the article actually says the latest beta of Experience has a fix within, but doesn't say how it works or how to use it.

[JimmySolarium_VR]

Had the same issue, all Fps down to max 60. A clean Nvidia driver Re-install via DDU did it for me.

[jollyjack]

Don't use Geoforce Experience; that's my experience LoL.

But i stick to windows 10 LTSC 21h2, and NVDIA driver 496.13, barebone installation, no audio etc; works fine.

[simfan2015]

Best to wait for the 22H2 October update. It will include the tabbed file Explorer a.o. new features. As mentioned above we also need to wait for the new mid October geforce fixed drivers anyway. I learned my lesson, again, last month when I needed to do a system recovery after a MS Windows update that f*cked up the 3.5 .Net install. I am afraid for the latest 22H2 update! 

[T24_Martin]

Same for me. VR dropped from 90 to 60 FPS and even stutter when just scrolling the map before a mission. 

 

Tried clean Nvidia install via ddu, latest Geforce experience, disabled Nvidia SDK frameview (suggested workaround in some forums) and no Geforce experience. Nothing helped. I had to roll back to the last build, that gave me my regular 90 FPS. 

[Docholiday]

Same here.   VR-dropp from 90 do 60 FPS.

 

Tryed everything.  No Chance

 

Now, after I roled back to the previous Win 11-version everything ist fine ?

 

Fuck Windows 11 ?

 

 

Cheers

 

Doc

 

[simfan2015]

I expected windows 11 to be better too and until the latest windows 11 'updates' it has been for me. But now I will wait for better versions... if those ever materialize. 

[DBCOOPER011]

10 hours ago, T24_Martin said:

Same for me. VR dropped from 90 to 60 FPS and even stutter when just scrolling the map before a mission. 

 

Tried clean Nvidia install via ddu, latest Geforce experience, disabled Nvidia SDK frameview (suggested workaround in some forums) and no Geforce experience. Nothing helped. I had to roll back to the last build, that gave me my regular 90 FPS. 

I had the same problem where the fps on my reverb g2 was limited to 60 fps. I had to turn off vsync in the nvidia control panel to get it to run back at 90 fps.

[Varibraun]

23 hours ago, [CPT]Crunch said:

Fair warning if your using a NVIDIA GPU, you might want to hold off.  Hit my game like a hammer, no FPS no matter what settings.

 

Good god...I literally decided to finally upgrade from Windows 10 to 11 on Thursday and couldn't figure out what went wrong.  Definitely hit my FPS hard with the Reverb G2, so now I will be awaiting the fix since I have nothing to rollback.    Thank you for posting since I now know it isn't just my "Upgrade" that is the issue.

Edited October 9, 2022 by Varibraun

[simfan2015]

What I don't understand is why that nvidia CP setting is influencing the

VR gameplay only!? Those vsync and related monitor G-sync settings are for 2d as well as 3D vr ? How can that work out? I have an LG OLED g-gync monitor... The settings in the nvidia CP will then interfere with those of any vr headset, or not!??? 

Also, if I want to play il-2 in 2D 4K Ultra as well as, at other occasions 3D VR 2160... What settings should then be used in il-2 and in the nvidia CP??? 

Thank you. 

[[CPT]Crunch]

4 hours ago, Varibraun said:

 

Good god...I literally decided to finally upgrade from Windows 10 to 11 on Thursday and couldn't figure out what went wrong.  Definitely hit my FPS hard with the Reverb G2, so now I will be awaiting the fix since I have nothing to rollback.    Thank you for posting since I now know it isn't just my "Upgrade" that is the issue.

MS released a patch today for 2H-22, , but didn't solve the issues for me, from what I could see Nvida has a new driver due out tomorrow, might be a combination fix?  Rolled my windows back and the card is rocking it once again.   One thing I did notice is the game with the same settings looks different between the two versions of windows, somewhat cleaner looking with noticeably less shimmer in the newer version.

[DBCOOPER011]

7 hours ago, simfan2015 said:

What I don't understand is why that nvidia CP setting is influencing the

VR gameplay only!? Those vsync and related monitor G-sync settings are for 2d as well as 3D vr ? How can that work out? I have an LG OLED g-gync monitor... The settings in the nvidia CP will then interfere with those of any vr headset, or not!??? 

Also, if I want to play il-2 in 2D 4K Ultra as well as, at other occasions 3D VR 2160... What settings should then be used in il-2 and in the nvidia CP??? 

Thank you. 

 

Just tested it again. In Nvidia CP under IL2, if I use the "use the 3d application setting", which I believe is the default setting, I get no more then 60 fps tops. Turn vsync off and I get up to my normal 90 fps. I know this just started recently and I have the latest MS update... 

[Jurinko]

From somewhere regarding the 2H22 update

 

Hi,

lately i found a tip concerning holographic shell and logging. I was looking for a solution for my reduced gaming performance after installing Windows 11 22h2 function update:

"Go to Computer Management → System Tools → Performance → Data Collector Sets → Event Trace Sessions. In this list, find HolographicShell, right click, and choose ‘Stop’."

 

Definitely works wonders for Condor2 sim.

[jollyjack]

On 10/9/2022 at 1:37 PM, Docholiday said:

Fuck Windows 11 ?

 Mr Smith spanked and banned me for less ...

[[CPT]Crunch]

On 10/11/2022 at 7:45 AM, Jurinko said:

From somewhere regarding the 2H22 update

 

Hi,

lately i found a tip concerning holographic shell and logging. I was looking for a solution for my reduced gaming performance after installing Windows 11 22h2 function update:

"Go to Computer Management → System Tools → Performance → Data Collector Sets → Event Trace Sessions. In this list, find HolographicShell, right click, and choose ‘Stop’."

Yup, that's the culprit, made a .bat file to kill it quick when firing up the game.  Amazingly smooth, allowed me to up the shadows to high without penalty and High settings are now quite playable.  Can get the instructions on how to make your own .bat file here.

 

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/poor-vr-performance-on-windows-11-22h2/525280/6

Holo.rar

Quick .bat to shut off the holographic process, than try the game, built in win 11.

Use as Admin.

[dburne]

39 minutes ago, [CPT]Crunch said:

Yup, that's the culprit, made a .bat file to kill it quick when firing up the game.  Amazingly smooth, allowed me to up the shadows to high without penalty and High settings are now quite playable.  Can get the instructions on how to make your own .bat file here.

 

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/poor-vr-performance-on-windows-11-22h2/525280/6

Holo.rar 116 B · 1 download

Quick .bat to shut off the holographic process, than try the game, built in win 11.

Use as Admin.

 

Is that a one time and done deal or does it need to be run with each windows startup or game launch?

 

 

On 10/11/2022 at 8:45 AM, Jurinko said:

From somewhere regarding the 2H22 update

 

Hi,

lately i found a tip concerning holographic shell and logging. I was looking for a solution for my reduced gaming performance after installing Windows 11 22h2 function update:

"Go to Computer Management → System Tools → Performance → Data Collector Sets → Event Trace Sessions. In this list, find HolographicShell, right click, and choose ‘Stop’."

 

Definitely works wonders for Condor2 sim.

 

Interestingly I do not have a Holographics Shell listing under Event Trace Sessions.

And yes I am on latest Windows 11.

Edited October 13, 2022 by dburne

[[CPT]Crunch]

You have a Varjo, not a standard WMR set, is it?  Yes, for us using WMR sets every time you boot up a new session of windows, run the process killer.

[dburne]

2 minutes ago, [CPT]Crunch said:

You have a Varjo, not a standard WMR set, is it?  Yes, for us using WMR sets every time you boot up a new session of windows, run the process killer.

 

Ah ok, yes I have Varjo so guess that explains it.

Thanks,

Edited October 13, 2022 by dburne

[jollyjack]

On 10/13/2022 at 4:18 PM, [CPT]Crunch said:

Yup, that's the culprit, made a .bat file to kill it quick when firing up the game.  Amazingly smooth, allowed me to up the shadows to high without penalty and High settings are now quite playable.  Can get the instructions on how to make your own .bat file here.

 

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/poor-vr-performance-on-windows-11-22h2/525280/6

Holo.rar 116 B · 10 downloads

Quick .bat to shut off the holographic process, than try the game, built in win 11.

Use as Admin.

 

Looks like a sticky?

[1Sascha]

I'm running the update, but I can't be 100% certain whether it was it or something else that caused my VR FPS to go down the toilet. I am using GFE, BTW.

 

With my Rift-S and RTX 3070, I ended up reducing my SS to 110% in Steam VR (1.05 PD in game, was 1.22 before) and now busier career missions run nearly acceptable (only rare FPS drops to the mid 60s, usually pegged at 80).

 

Non-VR titles cause no problem whatsoever. Unity-based stuff runs just as well as before on super high settings and IL-2 non-VR runs at max FPS of 165 all day long on high to ultra in 1440p.

 

I did some more tinkering yesterday in both the BIOS and with Windows power plans. Seems that in VR "highest performance" is the way to go for me, although "balanced" works slightly better in some benchmarks - for some reason.

 

I also disabled G-Sync and the max FPS of 160 I had set in NVidia CP because of it - which naturally boosted my benchmark scores back to normal levels. And even though I know it shouldn't matter in VR, I *think* it did give me a bit of a boost - but that's just a gut feeling, since I didn't proceed very methodically when testing all these settings. I think I'll leave it off for good now though, since I don't really see any difference between G-sync on or off (I did confirm that it works with my monitor which is just AMD FreeSync Premium certified).

 

Another thing I noticed is that while my 3070 doesn't get pushed to max GPU usage in IL-2 VR (80 - 85% max), nor is its vid-memory maxed out (~5GB max), one of my i5-12600K's cores was running near maximum (93% IIRC) while all the other ones were just hovering between 35 and 60%. So I'm guessing I might actually be CPU bottlenecked - or rather "IL-2 bottlenecked" since the game doesn't seem to be able to take advantage of the other nine cores of my CPU.

 

*shrug*

 

 

S.

[SvAF/F16_Goblin]

On 10/13/2022 at 5:41 PM, [CPT]Crunch said:

You have a Varjo, not a standard WMR set, is it?  Yes, for us using WMR sets every time you boot up a new session of windows, run the process killer.

I have the Reverb G2 and I don't have that process as far as I can tell useing the Computer Management.

However, looking with process lasso I find a "holoshellapp.exe" running.

Edited October 17, 2022 by SvAF/F16_Goblin

[Patricks]

On 10/17/2022 at 1:53 PM, SvAF/F16_Goblin said:

I have the Reverb G2 and I don't have that process as far as I can tell useing the Computer Management.

However, looking with process lasso I find a "holoshellapp.exe" running.

 

From the Admin Command Shell run "logman query HolographicShell -ets". If it's there it will show as "Running"

 

You can read here how to shut it down and have it automatically shut down with every restart.. From Martsum5594 on the MSFS forum:

 

"For now, I’m using a .bat script to run a few different times to keep it in check. If you want to create one, follow these steps.

1. Make a new text document

2. Paste the following inside:
     @echo off

     logman stop HolographicShell -ets
3. rename [the text file] to vr.bat or something similar
4. Open Task Scheduler and create a new task [just type "Task Scheduler" in a search window]
5. General tab [of TS]: Select Run with highest privileges and Hidden, Configure for: Windows 10 [No selection for Win11]
6. Trigger action: At log on, lock or whatever you want (can set up a few different ones).
7. Action tab: Run the program: vr.bat

 

Done. You can set up a few to run for different instances like log on, workstation lock etc. Or you can simply just run the .bat file quickly to stop the process. Ideally, I want it to run the .bat when Mixed Reality opens and closes but I can’t figure out how."

 

Personally I did not see an issue as I haven't been in VR for a bit, but I also only install Nvidia drivers using NVCleanstall and eliminate all but base driver/PhysX/USBC. No telemetry, no GeForce Experience.. 

Edited October 18, 2022 by Patricks

[SvAF/F16_Goblin]

@Patricks

Thanks, that command showed that it is running.
Don't know if it will make any difference but I will try with it on and off for comparison.

I also use NVCleaninstall and remove everything regarding telemetry but perhaps I missed something.

[Patricks]

8 minutes ago, SvAF/F16_Goblin said:

@Patricks

Thanks, that command showed that it is running.
Don't know if it will make any difference but I will try with it on and off for comparison.

I also use NVCleaninstall and remove everything regarding telemetry but perhaps I missed something.

 

You likely know this but you should run DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) every few updates to be sure all old stuff is removed also (if you are not already doing so), just remember to disable the internet before booting up after cleaning or Winxx will try and find drivers online. Once NVInstall is running it will actually tell you when it's ok to re-connect (it will block the auto-update).

[Youtch]

Is it fixed now, or upgrading there is still issues requiring the bat shell script if upgrading to Win 11 2H 22?

[[CPT]Crunch]

Still have that issues here, not fixed with latest Nvdia driver.  WMR on G-2 via 3080 with win 11 2H 22, minor nuisance, happy with the quality post hack.

[McFly60]

 

I applied the solution above.

 

You make the change only once, and it partially solved the problem for me.

 

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/poor-vr-performance-on-windows-11-22h2/525280/63

[Youtch]

14 hours ago, [CPT]Crunch said:

happy with the quality post hack

The quality post hack is the script shell above?

[[CPT]Crunch]

yes

[simfan2015]

FWIW, I don't have WMR (PICO 4), after  2 H 22 Win 11 Update but *had* to reinstall the Nvidia Driver (complete ... wipe previous settings Nvidia + Windows) to regain great/previous FPS in bot 2D and VR .

 

The GPU was always at >90 percent ... without even touching/running anything.

Windows Desktop process itself was 3D-monopolizing the Nvidia (RTX 3070 OC) GPU.

After DDU and NV 542.x driver re-install my GPU is maximum 3 % (when idle).

 

This had most probably little to do with W11 2H22, but with driver and windows settings.

 

My 2D and VR FPS are at around the same level as before the W11 Update (but no use of WMR).

[Varibraun]

On 10/18/2022 at 12:08 PM, Patricks said:

From the Admin Command Shell run "logman query HolographicShell -ets". If it's there it will show as "Running"

 

You can read here how to shut it down and have it automatically shut down with every restart.. From Martsum5594 on the MSFS forum:

 

"For now, I’m using a .bat script to run a few different times to keep it in check. If you want to create one, follow these steps.

1. Make a new text document

2. Paste the following inside:
     @echo off

     logman stop HolographicShell -ets
3. rename [the text file] to vr.bat or something similar
4. Open Task Scheduler and create a new task [just type "Task Scheduler" in a search window]
5. General tab [of TS]: Select Run with highest privileges and Hidden, Configure for: Windows 10 [No selection for Win11]
6. Trigger action: At log on, lock or whatever you want (can set up a few different ones).
7. Action tab: Run the program: vr.bat

 

Done. You can set up a few to run for different instances like log on, workstation lock etc. Or you can simply just run the .bat file quickly to stop the process. Ideally, I want it to run the .bat when Mixed Reality opens and closes but I can’t figure out how."

 

Just confirming that I am in the process of setting up a new 13900/4090 system and this is still very necessary for my G2.  Stuttering before and smooth afterwards.  Thank you Patricks and Crunch! 

[Youtch]

Including with the last update from window? It was in the list of bugs they fixed.

[Patricks]

Be good to see, i'm running 22H2 22623.891 now..

[Varibraun]

 

 

5 hours ago, Youtch said:

Including with the last update from window? It was in the list of bugs they fixed.

 

4 hours ago, Patricks said:

Be good to see, i'm running 22H2 22623.891 now..

 

Thanks, looks like I need to do a manual update - I am currently running 22621.819.  I will report back once it is updated.

[macro1]

Hi all, I'm nervous about making the upgrade to win11, I see they recently released an update, 12 January I think.

Does anyone have any experience with this and VR performance?

My new rig is i7-12700F   2.10 GHz 3060Ti and currently run 90fps most of the time. Only on some servers, when right down on the on the deck with other planes around I can see it drop to 45, but I run some eye candy settings too.

I really don't want to mess up what I have at the moment.

 

Cheers Dom

[jollyjack]

I am not using VR, only TrackIR. but have 11 PRP and 10 Enterprise LTSC in a dual boot.

Still prefer Window 10, far less bulsh*t to tune and edit out, but i guess win 11 will be the future, runs fine, figgin' Cortana and Edge edited out ...

 

[ST_Catchov]

Win10 is quirky alright but it works for gaming and I have no problem with Edge. Google sh*ts me like Win11 with the TPM cr#p. They can go f##k themselves.