What 10 airplanes you would pick for Battle of Sicily 1943 ?

[CountZero]

So if we go to that DLC what 10 airplanes you expect, considering no carriers, for this area as example:

I go with :

A-36A                        Re.2002           

P-38G                        Fw-190A4

P-40L                        Re.2005

Spitfire Mk.VIII          MC.205V Serie III

Beaufighter               SM.79

[354thFG_Panda_]

Instead of spit Mk. VIII, make the Mk. VC and add the missing mods to the Vb collector. The VIII is too similar to the IX(I like the aircraft but better for variety).

 

The p40F could have a mod to make it also the L variant.

 

Remove the Re2005 for a Re2001. Save 2005 for a collector or later module goes with G55.

Edited October 8, 2022 by theRedPanda

[BMA_FlyingShark]

I would prefer a P40N.

 

Have a nice day.

 

 

[Alexmarine]

1 hour ago, CountZero said:

 

A-36A                        Re.2002           

P-38G                        Fw-190A4

P-40L                        Re.2005

Spitfire Mk.VIII          MC.205V Serie III

Beaufighter               SM.79

 

[jollyjack]

I would only buy it if there's a flyable Catalina ...

[Vastarien]

I hope we will still get carriers, so Martlet, please.

[ww2fighter20]

An flyable allied level bomber needs to be an priority since the western allies have none.

B25C/D would be most ideal considering it can be used on other maps and was commonly used during Sicily 1943.

[CountZero]

22 minutes ago, ww2fighter20 said:

An flyable allied level bomber needs to be an priority since the western allies have none.

B25C/D would be most ideal considering it can be used on other maps and was commonly used during Sicily 1943.

I expect it to be anounced as next collector airplane considering reserch trip they did before to get its internal data, but who knows maybe they gona just add it in 10 for Sicily.

 

2 hours ago, theRedPanda said:

Instead of spit Mk. VIII, make the Mk. VC and add the missing mods to the Vb collector. The VIII is too similar to the IX(I like the aircraft but better for variety).

 

The p40F could have a mod to make it also the L variant.

 

Remove the Re2005 for a Re2001. Save 2005 for a collector or later module goes with G55.

Yes theres planty options for both sides, so im sure what ever devs pick it will be "wrong" 10 ?

 

 

[357th_KW]

2 hours ago, CountZero said:

I expect it to be anounced as next collector airplane considering reserch trip they did before to get its internal data, but who knows maybe they gona just add it in 10 for Sicily.

 

I’m working off that same assumption, that a B-25 will be coming down the pipe as a collector. 

 

P-38G, P-40F/L, Spit Vc trop, Spit F.IX, Beaufighter, AI B-17 or B-24.

 

MC205v, MC200, Re2005, G50bis, SM79

[Bell]

You guys can look at this for reference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Husky_order_of_battle?wprov=sfla1

Edited October 9, 2022 by Bell

[jaguar]

Though I like the Beaufighter, I would exchange it for the Wellington Mk.X which was more relevant for the campaign.

 

Edit: if nightfighter Beaufighter  is an option, then I'd vote for it

 

 

Edited October 9, 2022 by jaguar

[Docholiday]

.....

 

But then  we need the Beaufighter as a collector Plane.

 

 

The VIC  (and VIF too)  were very active in the whole mediterranean area during the whole war !

 

Mediterranean theather without Beaufighters would not be complete !

 

 

Cheers

 

Doc

 

PS: as a collector plane we could get the X - Version too without considering too much  the historical correktness ?

 

 

This Game is already really "Fighter-heavy".   So the Guys who like Strike- and Bomber Aircraft should be considered more.

Edited October 9, 2022 by Docholiday

[Youtch]

Flyable Catalina would be something totally new and exciting.

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

IMHO NO MORE German planes just Italian and the P40 ... right now it's the worst plane to fly, maybe they should check the flight model? I don't know, just a thought.

[FliegerAD]

It is rather difficult to do without the 109 G6, since it was the mainstay fighter. Of course, we all have the 109 G6 already but the new customer, who is deperately needed, does not. It being a collector aircraft excludes it from any Sicily '43 module.

At least one German fighter should be in, even if the 190 A4 is rather redundant (and was used as a ground attack only in Sicily)

 

Axis

Main:

• MC.205
• Re.2001
• Fw190 A4
• Me210

Collector:

• D.520

 

Allied

Main:

• A-36
• P-40L
• Spitfire Mk VIII
• Beaufighter

Collector:

• Baltimore

 

I know my collector's choices are a bit out there, but I think that is point of collector's plane. And the D.520 actually saw some use in southern Italy, and it is probably our only chance to get it in game.

The Martin Baltimore is just underrepresented in games, but I am afraid it might not be possible to model it properly as no Baltimore has survived.

 

 

 

[CountZero]

5 hours ago, Docholiday said:

.....

 

But then  we need the Beaufighter as a collector Plane.

 

 

The VIC  (and VIF too)  were very active in the whole mediterranean area during the whole war !

 

Mediterranean theather without Beaufighters would not be complete !

 

 

Cheers

 

Doc

 

PS: as a collector plane we could get the X - Version too without considering too much  the historical correktness ?

 

 

This Game is already really "Fighter-heavy".   So the Guys who like Strike- and Bomber Aircraft should be considered more.

No.39 RAF used Mk.X from base in east Tunis, (betwen Bizerte and Tunis citys)

http://www.historyofwar.org/air/units/RAF/39_wwII.html

But you can have Mk.VIC that was also used , and just add option to carry torpedos like it had, and its same as Mk.X.

I pick Beaufighter and SM.79 as i expect they gona do 1 torpedo carrying option per side as something new to sim.

[BMA_FlyingShark]

Didn't the Italians have some kind of 3-engined bombers?

 

Have a nice day.

 

[CountZero]

[Youtch]

Flyable Catalina would be something totally new and exciting.

Just now, CountZero said:

Does anyone know if these neat cutaway  tech notes we find all over the internet are coming from an actual book one can purchase?

[BMA_FlyingShark]

7 minutes ago, CountZero said:

Spoiler

Yes, that's one of them.

Wasn't there an other one too? I think we had it in Il2 1946 if I'm not mistaken.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[CountZero]

5 minutes ago, FlyingShark said:

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Yes, that's one of them.

Wasn't there an other one too? I think we had it in Il2 1946 if I'm not mistaken.

 

Have a nice day.

 

They liked 3 engine bombers ?

But i think they would go with SM.79 because of torpedo option.

12 minutes ago, Youtch said:

Flyable Catalina would be something totally new and exciting.

Does anyone know if these neat cutaway  tech notes we find all over the internet are coming from an actual book one can purchase?

Did they use them in this operation, i dont know. Also would they not save it for Midway where it had big impact, also if its about adding float airplane , they have options that were used on italian side.

Edited October 9, 2022 by CountZero

[BMA_FlyingShark]

9 minutes ago, CountZero said:

They liked 3 engine bombers ?

But i think they would go with SM.79 because of torpedo option.

I think that too but both would do for me.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[[CPT]Crunch]

Smart move would be to do two Mustangs, one with the pack and another completely independent collector shortly down the road to raise some extra revenue.  A-36 with the pack and a Mustang I/A variant for the cash win.  The similarities should help ease the overall workload giving a clean two fer bang for the buck.

 

I'd prefer zero German planes this time around because we'll probably never see those studly 'other guys' type air frames in game if they're not done on this round.  If you want German types on your map there's plenty available dirt cheap in plenty of on sales packs, already have them here in spades.  

[ITAF_Rani]

If Italy it is .....a possible scenario for locating airfields could be ...

 

 

 

[Youtch]

What about Do217, He177 and Fi156?

 

 

Do 217E5 equipped with Henschel Hs293A guided anti-ship missile!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henschel_Hs_293

[sevenless]

1 hour ago, Youtch said:

What about Do217.

 

Would make a lot of sense for anti-shipping strikes and can be reused in Bodenplatte and Normandy.

[150GCT_Veltro]

...and G6 Trop at least.

 

 

[Jade_Monkey]

Please no Fw190 A4, pick some random Italian biplane, i don't care. No more recycling planes.

[CountZero]

3 hours ago, Youtch said:

What about Do217, He177 and Fi156?

 

 

Do 217E5 equipped with Henschel Hs293A guided anti-ship missile!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henschel_Hs_293

They were based in far north bases and in France, you could haave them like they did with Ar-234B-2 for Normandy career with not historical bases for them.

 

[Youtch]

27 minutes ago, CountZero said:

They were based in far north bases and in France, you could haave them like they did with Ar-234B-2 for Normandy career with not historical bases for them.

 

You are talking about He177?

[CountZero]

50 minutes ago, Youtch said:

You are talking about He177?

Do-217 with guider missiles or bombs, dont know where He-177s were used

Edited October 10, 2022 by CountZero
177 not 117

[Youtch]

I seem to recall that the He177 wwhich were used during Italy campaign were based in Cazaux near Bordeaux in France

[sevenless]

1 hour ago, Jade_Monkey said:

Please no Fw190 A4, pick some random Italian biplane, i don't care. No more recycling planes.

 

Would make no sense to leave the 190s out of a Husky/Sicily game. Somehow they need to get them in. As Collector or otherwise.

 

Here:

https://airwarpublications.com/download/technical-notes/

here:

https://airwarpublications.com/download/usaaf-claims-fw-190s/

and here:

https://airwarpublications.com/product/focke-wulf-fw-190-in-the-battle-for-sicily/

[Enceladus828]

On 10/8/2022 at 9:21 AM, CountZero said:

A-36A                        Re.2002           

P-38G                        Fw-190A4

P-40L                        Re.2005

Spitfire Mk.VIII          MC.205V Serie III

Beaufighter               SM.79

 

Good list but for the Allied side I'd replace the P-38G with a flyable B-25 or B-26, however if that's not possible then keep the P-38. For the Axis side, I'd replace the A4 with the Ju-88A-17 (we have the Fw-190A-5 and A-6 already in the game) and replace the Re. 2005 with the G.55 as the latter saw more action.

[Eisenfaustus]

On 10/8/2022 at 6:21 PM, CountZero said:

Re.2005

48 built - seriously? Just for comparison ta 152 and he 162 had three times as many planes built. 
 

On 10/8/2022 at 6:21 PM, CountZero said:

Fw-190A4

The only Fw 190 that has any attraction left for me is the A-9.

[CountZero]

17 minutes ago, Eisenfaustus said:

48 built - seriously? Just for comparison ta 152 and he 162 had three times as many planes built. 
 

The only Fw 190 that has any attraction left for me is the A-9.

0 ta-152 or he 162 in Italy

 

[Alexmarine]

Tbf, I wouldn't mind throwing the Re.2005 under a bus for an earlier CR.42/G.50/MC.200... 

[ww2fighter20]

No matter which aircraft are chosen, Sicily opens up the potential for many collector planes in the future.

So hopefully Sicily is next.

Edited October 10, 2022 by ww2fighter20

[Youtch]

Now that we were all salivating with Ta 152 again....

[CountZero]

24 minutes ago, Youtch said:

Now that we were all salivating with Ta 152 again....

Well you can still have Poland 45 with them as their base was east of Berlin, so they can avoid big urban area. But then whats something new in Poland 45 for next DLC ?