Developer Diary #329 Discussion

[Gambit21]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ummm...

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 7, 2022 by Gambit21

[Lusekofte]

I like the IAR. But honestly give us a less fighter focused pack next time, please. 

 

[Mr_Picerd]

Ohhh, there is a famous (but probably apocryphal) story of an M8 Greyhound destroying some sort of Tiger tank at St Vith during the Battle of the Bulge.

 

I wonder...

Edited October 7, 2022 by Mr_Picerd
Added space between sentences

[Jaws2002]

16 minutes ago, Mr_Picerd said:

Ohhh, there is a famous (but probably apocryphal) story of an M8 Greyhound destroying some sort of Tiger tank at St Vith during the Battle of the Bulge.

 

I wonder...

I think that one was armed with .50cals instead of the 37mm gun and It killed the tigers by bouncing the .50cals from the road, into the under belly armor......

 

.....True story...

[Mr_Picerd]

Yup, .50 cals of freedom will do that.

[Avimimus]

3 hours ago, 616Sqn_Tyggz said:

 

But we already have an AI M8 in game... Why would we be shown an exact copy of it in a less finished state then it currently is?
 

What we see here is much more detailed.
 

 

I see.

 

Well, I'm going to hope for advanced artillery spotting mechanics allowing directing multiple types of artillery/fire missions then ?

...and a little bit of TC2? Maybe improved realism to AI spotting (for both crews and enemy tanks)? One can dream.

 

But I'll be cautious and not jump to any conclusions based on a single screenshot.

Still... I think you fellas might be on to something... just what it is though, time will tell

[Mr_Picerd]

7 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

 

I see.

 

Well, I'm going to hope for advanced artillery spotting mechanics allowing directing multiple types of artillery/fire missions then ?

...and a little bit of TC2? Maybe improved realism to AI spotting (for both crews and enemy tanks)? One can dream.

 

But I'll be cautious and not jump to any conclusions based on a single screenshot.

Still... I think you fellas might be on to something... just what it is though, time will tell

Well if they do decide to do TC2, then Battle of the Bulge is the money maker, but like you say time will tell (next week!)

[JG4_Moltke1871]

6 hours ago, AndyJWest said:

Excellent.

 

I see I'm going to have to learn Romanian, for the IAR cockpit. 'Variometru'? What can that possibly mean? ?

It’s a broken altimeter and you can chose variously altitudes ☝?

[Avimimus]

2 hours ago, LuseKofte said:

I like the IAR. But honestly give us a less fighter focused pack next time, please. 

 

I'd be down for that. Fighters are good and sell well. Twin engined aircraft provide a bit more depth (bombing etc.) but I'd be quite interested to try some more roles beyond fighter and bomber. The new recon and transport roles are pretty cool. It'd be nice to have at least one aircraft that broke the mould somehow (or fit into a role like recon or artillery spotting).

[Boomerang]

The A.I.R 80, what a beauty. Patients is a virtue.

Nice interview and thanks to all for their time. I believe development is a balance, especially considering the broader view.

Many questions where answered about the B-17, however I was not clear if non flyable or static assets where considered for possible future missions?

Still appreciate the fact that players can man ground units for pilots to aim at. Can't get much better than that when it comes to moving targets.

Regarding future development, only heaven knows, as we have been surprised so many times now I've actually lost count.

(For the newer readers: Battle of Stalingrad may have been the first release, but it's running the same evolved games engine, so no misses out on the quality and features.)

 

 

 

[jojy47jojyrocks]

I like the IAR being developed and so far, for varieties, due to engine limitations, then twin engined planes are also good. We also still need a different variety of missions, like recon, artillery spotting etc.

 

More planes better, just like in IL21946,To be more precise, more variety of planes that has seen battle. The Mediterranean front brings a lot of variety of different planes IF Pacific is not doable.

 

Current Career mission generator gives random attack plans, sometimes even out of the map! Some bases are also very near to being out of the mapzone.

[No_Face]

11 hours ago, Voidhunger said:

so if its playable do we get a Puma or similar wheeled armored vehicle for the Germans?

It would be fun duel at least for me

You're hurting yourself.

[Motherbrain]

We got three eastern front expansions with Stalingrad, Moscow and Kuban. I wonder if they are going to make three western front expansions with Bodenplatte, Normandy then somthing like The Battle of the Bulge?

[senseispcc]

Thanks, it is great news that after so much efforts the work to make it better is still on. Plus there is in the pipelines a next project?!   (get your money ready!)

[Jaws2002]

1 hour ago, Motherbrain said:

We got three eastern front expansions with Stalingrad, Moscow and Kuban. I wonder if they are going to make three western front expansions with Bodenplatte, Normandy then somthing like The Battle of the Bulge?

They pretty much covered the late war western allied planes. I think there are more popular planes that could be made for the late eastern front. Yak-3, Yak-9U, LA-7, TU-2, Ta-152, G10, some late German twin engine bomber.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Ok, let's assume we are doing Operation Husky, just for the sake of learning about it more.

As far as fighters go:

The RAF will have Spitfire Vs and some Mk. IXs

 

The USAAF will have A36 (Allison Mustang) in the attack role, Spitfire Vs, and P39s and P40s, but which ones specifically?

 

The Luftwaffe will have the usual suspects in the fighter role.

 

The Regia Aeronautica should have Mc 202s, Fiat G55s, Reggiane Re2001 and what else?

 

The bombers used by the Allies are sort of problematic, as it would be middle versions of the B25, and A20 for the USAAF, and I am not sure about the RAF.

 

Any help filling in the blanks here?

 

[BMA_FlyingShark]

3 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Any help filling in the blanks here?

Early version of P38 maybe? And P47C?

 

Have  a nice day.

 

Edited October 8, 2022 by FlyingShark

[BlitzPig_EL]

Ah yes, I forgot about the Lightening.

[Alexmarine]

9 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

The Regia Aeronautica should have (...) Fiat G55s

 

The few of them available were well outside the Sicilian theatre. It's a good pick for an eventual stand alone collector plane though, kinda like the La-5FN/Yak-9T. MC205 and to a lower extent the Re.2005 are the more prominent high tier fighters for a 1943 scenario.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Thanks!

[Guest deleted@83466]

Fix.It.Again.Tony.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Their aeroplanes were far better than their cars, be sure.

[Alexmarine]

6 minutes ago, SeaSerpent said:

Tony

 

I thought we ruled out the Pacific? 

[=FEW=Hauggy]

Glad to finally hear from the office guys.

Interesting  to say the least, my guess is Korea is next.

[CountZero]

12 minutes ago, =FEW=Hauggy said:

Glad to finally hear from the office guys.

Interesting  to say the least, my guess is Korea is next.

Korea without jets, now that would be instant fail... in video they say next DLC is prop one.

[357th_KW]

1 hour ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Ok, let's assume we are doing Operation Husky, just for the sake of learning about it more.

As far as fighters go:

The RAF will have Spitfire Vs and some Mk. IXs

 

The USAAF will have A36 (Allison Mustang) in the attack role, Spitfire Vs, and P39s and P40s, but which ones specifically?

 

The Luftwaffe will have the usual suspects in the fighter role.

 

The Regia Aeronautica should have Mc 202s, Fiat G55s, Reggiane Re2001 and what else?

 

The bombers used by the Allies are sort of problematic, as it would be middle versions of the B25, and A20 for the USAAF, and I am not sure about the RAF.

 

Any help filling in the blanks here?

 

 

USAAF: P-38F/G, P-40F/L, Spit Vc trop (and later a mix of VIII and IX), P-39 (probably Ks), A-36.  A-20, B-17, B-24, B-25 and B-26 were in use as bombers.

 

RAF/Commonwealth: Spit Vc trop, Spit F.IX, Spit VIII, P-40K, Hurricane II, Beaufighter.  The Boston and Baltimore were both used by the RAF as well as the Wellington.

 

For the Reggia Aeronautica, the primary fighter was the MC202 we already have, but this campaign saw the first use of the MC205V and Re2005 along with a handful of French made D520s, and older MC200’s, G50’s and CR42’s were still in use as fighter bombers.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Thank you 357th_KW,  Wasn't sure about which P40s we had.  The F with the Merlin would be interesting, and the Baltimore is an aircraft you never see done in pixels which would be very unique.

 

I'd love to see more Italian aircraft as well.  I admit I have a soft spot for them.

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, CountZero said:

Korea without jets, now that would be instant fail... in video they say next DLC is prop one.

No - they say “prop based” you know…like BoBp that is also prop based, and also has 2 jets? We covered this already.

 

I’m not saying that it’s Korea - but most aircraft that saw action were props.

 

Yes I know all of the usual follow-ups, first few days of the war/timeline, MiG Alley, yada yada yada ‘yawn’

I have to say it’s a strong contender. Something totally new, includes Russian aircraft, includes a few Jets…Daniel said years ago that he wanted to go there.

 

You’d be a fool to dismiss at least the possibility.

 

 

 

 

Edited October 8, 2022 by Gambit21

[tattywelshie]

1 hour ago, Gambit21 said:

No - they say “prop based” you know…like BoBp that is also prop based, and also has 2 jets? We covered this already.

 

I’m not saying that it’s Korea - but most aircraft that saw action were props.

 

Yes I know all of the usual follow-ups, first few days of the war/timeline, MiG Alley, yada yada yada ‘yawn’

I have to say it’s a strong contender. Something totally new, includes Russian aircraft, includes a few Jets…Daniel said years ago that he wanted to go there.

 

You’d be a fool to dismiss at least the possibility.

 

 

 

 

Very good point, to even say it’s “prop-based” is a massive clue! Although if they do move to Korea, I’m guessing they will still maybe run new WW2/WW1 content alongside it? Interesting times! 

[DD_Arthur]

1 hour ago, Gambit21 said:

No - they say “prop based” you know…like BoBp that is also prop based, and also has 2 jets? We covered this already.

 

I’m not saying that it’s Korea - but most aircraft that saw action were props.

 

Yes I know all of the usual follow-ups, first few days of the war/timeline, MiG Alley, yada yada yada ‘yawn’

I have to say it’s a strong contender. Something totally new, includes Russian aircraft, includes a few Jets…Daniel said years ago that he wanted to go there.

 

You’d be a fool to dismiss at least the possibility.

 

 

 

 

I’ve been wondering about this.

Let’s understand what’s happening here. Is Jason at the controls now?  Doesn’t look like it.

So it’s purely the team in Moscows choice.  
Whatever factors they take into account when deciding the next theatre, they are going to have a different outlook on historical events, indeed a different world view, than the majority of their customer base.

We know Daniel is interested in this. From a Russian point of view it’s a very interesting period and let’s remind ourselves of who exactly flew those Migs against the UN.

It won’t be the first time a Russian team has attempted a Korean War sim. Way back, whilst Oleg was wrestling with CLoD, part of the team were working on Project Galba - a Korean War expansion for the CLoD engine.

 

The interest is there…

 

 

[MAJ_stug41]

9 hours ago, Motherbrain said:

We got three eastern front expansions with Stalingrad, Moscow and Kuban. I wonder if they are going to make three western front expansions with Bodenplatte, Normandy then somthing like The Battle of the Bulge?

bodenplatte is the air part of battle of the bulge, but a ground forces release with a good detailed section of the bodenplatte map, for tank fighting, would be welcome.

[[F.Circus]sith1144]

5 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

 

Any help filling in the blanks here?

 

This is a great thread https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/74908-il-2-great-battles-expansion-concepts-battle-of-sicily/

[AEthelraedUnraed]

3 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

No - they say “prop based” you know…like BoBp that is also prop based, and also has 2 jets? We covered this already.

 

I’m not saying that it’s Korea - but most aircraft that saw action were props.

 

Yes I know all of the usual follow-ups, first few days of the war/timeline, MiG Alley, yada yada yada ‘yawn’

I have to say it’s a strong contender. Something totally new, includes Russian aircraft, includes a few Jets…Daniel said years ago that he wanted to go there.

 

You’d be a fool to dismiss at least the possibility.

Well, yeah, but would they really call Korea "prop based" when arguably the most important aircraft were jets? "Prop based" IMO means that the vast majority of air combat was done with props. They've already said they're not doing carriers and are all-but-ruling-out 4-engine bombers, so that leaves (I think) just the (Twin) Mustang and B-26 as props on the Allied side. Enough to make it "prop based"? I doubt it. You may be right in that we shouldn't straight-out dismiss the possibility, but I think a Korea module is highly unlikely.

 

Now what really excites me is this:

It's a more detailed model than we've already got in game (I checked the in-game model, and while it amazes me how detailed that one is, there's a few missing details that show up above, although the low resolution of the image does make it hard to see). This can mean one of four things:

• This was a higher-res model that was used to bake normals for the model we've currently got in game. Possible, but why would you show such a screenshot right now while hinting that it's still a work in progress? 
• It is in fact the model we've already got, but with a *much* better normal map (perhaps a full-resolution, uncompressed one?). Again, why would they post this right now while hinting it's something they're working on, but then again, maybe it's just the Devs trolling us ?
• They are making another model of the greyhound for their new project (Sicily?). Possible, but why make a nearly identical version of a vehicle you've already got? And if you'd do so, why re-do everything instead of just tweak the already existing model?
• They're making a much more detailed version.

I think either the second or the last one are the most likely ones. Let's assume for a minute that it's the final one. The only reason I can think of they'd make a more detailed version, is if it's going to be playable. Since all playable vehicles so far fit into the Battle of Kursk, the M8 wouldn't really fit our current Tank Crew module. Even as a collector's vehicle it would stand out, having no equivalent German human-playable targets (an M8 taking on even a StuG seems a bit optimistic to me). So *if* they are in fact making a more detailed version, I think it's very likely they're doing a TC2, focused on the Western front!

 

...Although probably the Devs are just trolling us ?

Edited October 8, 2022 by AEthelraedUnraed

[BlitzPig_EL]

P51s were also used in Korea in the ground attack role.

[AEthelraedUnraed]

2 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

P51s were also used in Korea in the ground attack role.

I already mentioned the P-51

[CountZero]

5 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

No - they say “prop based” you know…like BoBp that is also prop based, and also has 2 jets? We covered this already.

 

I’m not saying that it’s Korea - but most aircraft that saw action were props.

 

Yes I know all of the usual follow-ups, first few days of the war/timeline, MiG Alley, yada yada yada ‘yawn’

I have to say it’s a strong contender. Something totally new, includes Russian aircraft, includes a few Jets…Daniel said years ago that he wanted to go there.

 

You’d be a fool to dismiss at least the possibility.

 

 

 

 

They also said no big citys, and you have to have Seoul and Pyongyang on Korea map, even then thouse citys were mutch bigger then any city on existing maps.

 

Why would they say next DLC will be around props if they plan to do Korea? ppl will fly Jet vs prop if there is MiG-15 on one side ? or maybe Saber vs La-9 ? like now ppl fly Me-262 vs props ? Korea is Mig-15 vs Saber, its first jet v jet DFs, you dont say about that DLC oh its prop centric...

MiG-15

MiG-15 bis
F-80A

F-80C

F-84D

F-84E

F-86A

F-86E

F-86F

F-94B

F-94C

F9F-2

F2H-2

F3D-2

 

So what jet fighter you gona remove to make 10, on top what you gona remove to make it prop centric, i guess that would be 6 props 4 jets min?

 

Ppl expecting Korea are delusional, nothing they said makes it any way hinting its Korea.

 

Ah yes and Meteor F.8 was there...

 

Edited October 9, 2022 by CountZero

[Gambit21]

9 minutes ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

Well, yeah, but would they really call Korea "prop based”

If I was talking in an interview and didn’t want to give it away I would.

Especially when so many props were involved. You’re over-thinking it.

 

[AndyJWest]

"Never, it the field of air-combat simulation, was so much made by so many out of so little..."

[Gambit21]

3 hours ago, AndyJWest said:

"Never, it the field of air-combat simulation, was so much made by so many out of so little..."

 

Actually friend Andy, I'm fairly certain I can come up with a few dozen threads where at least as much was made if not more, out of just as little if not less. ?

I'd start wit the 300 plus pages of nonsense in the "DD Today?" thread and go from there lol.

 

 

[Guest deleted@83466]

You are like those guys in the muppet show.