ENGLISH Interview with IL-2 GB team In October 2022

[Trooper117]

6 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Der Luftmafia!

 

 

Der Luftwaffles morelike!...  

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

14 hours ago, Enceladus said:

But doing the Siege of Malta would require carriers as they played an important part there.

Yes, we already know that Devs cannot make carriers .... or can they?

[343KKT_Kintaro]

10 minutes ago, =gRiJ=Roman- said:

Yes, we already know that Devs cannot make carriers .... or can they?

 

 

Unlike other modern sims where an aircraft carrier, if modeled, is a small fraction of the whole product and any shortcomings of its modeling don’t affect the quality of the whole sim, in the case of an integral, all-in-one BoX title about the war in the Pacific EVERYTHING should revolve around carrier operations and a carrier is ought to be its central part. This means that any shortcomings of the carrier modeling and interaction with it, any performance and other issues that may arise become super-critical, jeopardizing the whole product. In the current situation this makes it a huge risk we can't afford to spend 3 years on.

 

Andrey "Sneaksie" (September 27 2022)

 

 

[Feldgrun]

1 hour ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

in the case of an integral, all-in-one BoX title about the war in the Pacific EVERYTHING should revolve around carrier operations and a carrier is ought to be its central part

 

This is what is leading many to believe that we won't get Pacific next. However, I hope there is room to believe that we may still see Zeros over the Solomons.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

4 minutes ago, Feldgrun said:

 

This is what is leading many to believe that we won't get Pacific next. However, I hope there is room to believe that we may still see Zeros over the Solomons.

 

 

The keystone is that part that reads "in the case of an integral, all-in-one BoX title about the war in the Pacific".

 

An "integral all-in-one" this would be the equivalent of "Pacific Fighters" when back in 2004 we got a "generic" Pacific War simulator. Nothing to do with specific modules in the Great Battles series that would be treating (each separately) Burma, Singapore, Okinawa, Iwo Jima... (no carriers really needed in such examples). You said the Solomons... but the Solomons require carriers... this is why my main argument is the following (I copy-paste and adapt from another thread):

 

1) Companies 1CGS and TFS could maintain their "gentlemen's agreement" which consists in "not stepping on each others' toes" (for the source, click here on ENGLISH Interview with IL-2 GB team In October 2022 by Enigma89, timing is 44'13'' onwards).

 

2) 1CGS, for the moment, doesn't want to take the risk of failure when implementing carrier operations in their IL2GB sim (click here for the source).

 

3) TFS is, apparently, able to properly model carrier operations in their IL2CoD sim.

 

On the above mentioned basis of points 1), 2) and 3)... we could expect from those companies that they agree if they want to so agree that all carrier-based battles in the Pacific are left to TFS and that the terrain-based air battles in the Pacific are left to 1CGS. This results in the following hypothetical distribution of historical theatres of operations:

 

TFS

 

- Coral Sea

- Midway

- Solomon Islands

- Santa Cruz

- Philippine Sea

 

1CGS

 

- Burma

- Singapore

- Guadalcanal

- Okinawa

- Iwo Jima

 

This way, both series of games would expand each for many years... "not stepping on each others' toes". In both series of games, Great Battles series and Dover series, those players wanting a Pacific theatre of operations would obtain it in their respective favourite game.

 

 

[Guest deleted@83466]

It’s like somebody forgot that a Pre-order/Early access model requires a good level of confidence from the buyer.  Allowing this level of confusion to arise can’t possible be good for something you pay for now, and expect to be completed later, within a reasonable time.  Enough palace intrigue, already!

 

 

 

Edited October 12, 2022 by SeaSerpent

[343KKT_Kintaro]

30 minutes ago, SeaSerpent said:

It’s like somebody forgot that a Pre-order/Early access model requires a good level of confidence from the buyer.  Allowing this level of confusion to arise can’t possible be good for something you pay for now, and expect to be completed later, within a reasonable time.  Enough palace intrigue, already!

 

 

"Somebody" SeaSerpent? Well, if you refer to me... no, I didn't forget that. TFS and 1CGS will or will not discuss my suggested plan since they have the power to make  the corresponding decisions. I have no power to decide whatsoever, that was only a suggestion of mine.

 

 

[Guest deleted@83466]

No, no…by “somebody”, I meant it as in “somebody on the development/sales team,” not you.  I was using more colloquial English, and I sometimes forget that not everybody reads that the same.

 

 

Edited October 12, 2022 by SeaSerpent

[343KKT_Kintaro]

LoL chief Brody! Thank you for the clarification...

[BlitzPig_EL]

I don't understand the dislike of the Italian aircraft.  The Macchi series fighters were all good aircraft and the Mc202 is a delight to fly.  I would love to have the Mc200, and even the Fiat Falco to play with.  If anything Japanese is not in the cards, then the Italian AO presents something different, and beats the daylights out of snow and ice.

[Feldgrun]

11 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

 If anything Japanese is not in the cards, then the Italian AO presents something different, and beats the daylights out of snow and ice.

 

I think Italian is viewed as the second best thing. While I would love to fly the G.55 or MC.205, they're not planes that would likely bring many new players to this game like a A6M Zero vs F4F Wildcat matchup. 

 

I've long said that the best marketing choice for 1C would be to alternate between Pacific and European/Mediterranean theaters. Give us a little (land based) Pacific now, and then alternate between theaters:

     2024 Guadalcanal, 1942

     2026 Sicily, 1943

     2028 Midway, 1942

     2030 Seelow Heights/Berlin, 1945

     2032 New Guinea, 1943

     2034 Tunisia, 1943

      etc.....

 

Throw in great collector planes in between, and you'll keep the masses from rioting.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

8 minutes ago, Feldgrun said:

2028 Midway, 1942

 

 

Thank you Feldgrun. Please note that Midway was a 100% carrier-based naval battle and that this point, aicraft carriers, has already been discussed here (you'll see my point above).

 

 

[Feldgrun]

Just now, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

Thank you Feldgrun. Please note that Midway was a 100% carrier-based naval battle and that this point, aicraft carriers, has already been discussed here (you'll see my point above).

 

Yes, and I hope by 2028, they'd be able to develop carriers.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

6 minutes ago, Feldgrun said:

Yes, and I hope by 2028, they'd be able to develop carriers.

 

 

Good luck to the 1CGS developers then! Please allow me one question Feldgrun: did you ever reenacted the takeoffs and arrest landings on board the aircraft carriers in the old good "IL2-1946"? or do you reenact them at present? (for the game still is in use by its fans).

 

[kendo]

11 minutes ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

 

 

Thank you Feldgrun. Please note that Midway was a 100% carrier-based naval battle and that this point, aicraft carriers, has already been discussed here (you'll see my point above).

 

 

 

For goodness sake Kintaro! This 'plan' you keep alluding to exists (for now at least) only in your own head. Stop acting as if it is established policy.

 

[Feldgrun]

6 minutes ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

Please allow me one question Feldgrun: did you ever reenacted the takeoffs and arrest landings on board the aircraft carriers in the old good "IL2-1946"? or do you reenact them at present? (for the game still is in use by its fans).

 

I have yet to, but I know it's quite popular with many others.

 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

2 minutes ago, kendo said:

 

For goodness sake Kintaro! This 'plan' you keep alluding to exists (for now at least) only in your own head. Stop acting as if it is established policy.

 

 

 

I never pretended the plan exists. Nor Feldgrun pretends 1CGS is going to release a Guadalcanal module in 2024 or a New Guinea module in 2032. Please read correctly our posts, read what they really say. Thank you in advance Kendo.

 

 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Going back to the interview and the part that mentions if whether or not 1CGS is going to the Pacific... well, apparently competitors are going to it. FYI only, please gentlemen read the following by clicking here.

 

 

[Skycat1969]

I think the next one will be set in or near Yugoslavia.

[Feldgrun]

6 hours ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

Going back to the interview and the part that mentions if whether or not 1CGS is going to the Pacific... well, apparently competitors are going to it. FYI only, please gentlemen read the following by clicking here.

 

It's not a surprise that aircraft from the Pacific Theater of WWII is wildly popular in flight sim and arcade games. The War Thunder purchase price of an A6M5 is double that of a Bf 109 F-4 and triple a P-51B. I love flying A6Ms in 1946, and wish I could have that experience in this game. For all of the downtrodden comments lately about no PTO next, I'm hoping we're wrong and 1C puts more development into PTO aircraft than, say, AA trucks. The DCS Corsair has been in development forever, and highly anticipated.

[Gambit21]

7 hours ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

Going back to the interview and the part that mentions if whether or not 1CGS is going to the Pacific... well, apparently competitors are going to it. FYI only, please gentlemen read the following by clicking here.

 

 

Yes - because it makes the most sense.

 

There’s a reason “DCS Stalingrad” isn’t a thing and will never be thing.

[Eisenfaustus]

34 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

Yes - because it makes the most sense.

 

There’s a reason “DCS Stalingrad” isn’t a thing and will never be thing.

Yeah - but we have an I-16 and a Bf 109 K-4 so in DCS logic we are almost there, just the map‘s missing…

[9./JG52_J-HAT]

See, DCS Stalingrad is almost a thing!
 

PTO in DCS will be WW2 Marianas with Leatherneck‘s (or whatever their name is today) Corsair - which has been in development for longer than a CloD module - and Nick‘s Hellcat, because he loves it.
Against what they will fly I don‘t know. So far it‘s been an Fw 190A-8 painted as an A6M5…

[343KKT_Kintaro]

5 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

There’s a reason “DCS Stalingrad” isn’t a thing and will never be thing.

 

 

Yep, I know...

 

 

[DBFlyguy]

 

 

7 hours ago, 9./JG52_J-HAT said:

 

PTO in DCS will be WW2 Marianas with Leatherneck‘s (or whatever their name is today) Corsair - which has been in development for longer than a CloD module - and Nick‘s Hellcat, because he loves it.
Against what they will fly I don‘t know. So far it‘s been an Fw 190A-8 painted as an A6M5…

 

Did we all miss the announcement from the GB dev team on their PTO progress, just curious ?

[9./JG52_J-HAT]

8 minutes ago, DBFlyguy said:

 

 

 

Did we all miss the announcement from the GB dev team on their PTO progress, just curious ?

Don‘t quite get what you are trying to say but the gif was funny.

 

Not hating, I actually like DCS. 

[Bumfluff]

Korea. Surely we need a way to get this beast in this game. 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

I think that during the Korean War almost all Sea Furies operated from the Royal Navy aircraft carriers... didn't they?

 

 

[Gambit21]

Never was there a more beautiful aircraft.

[BlitzPig_EL]

And extremely capable as well.

 

I would look forward to bagging a Mig 15 with one.

Edited October 15, 2022 by BlitzPig_EL

[Bumfluff]

37 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

Never was there a more beautiful aircraft.

Rivalled only for utter brutality by the F4U-4. Which also flew in Korea.

 

 

kinda amazed they can’t get a carrier in a sim in 2022. 

[Gambit21]

17 minutes ago, Bumfluff said:

 

kinda amazed they can’t get a carrier in a sim in 2022. 

Well…look at the benchmark that has been set. I don’t blame them for being hesitant to take that on - especially over a single development cycle. That’s a no win scenario for this team.

 

Smart money was on Solomons but that’s not happening.

 

My PTO hopes test elsewhere at this point.

 

 

[EAF19_Marsh]

On 10/14/2022 at 7:30 AM, Eisenfaustus said:

Yeah - but we have an I-16 and a Bf 109 K-4 so in DCS logic we are almost there, just the map‘s missing…

La-7 in the works.

 

Followed by a Y-Wing

8 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

Smart money was on Solomons but that’s not happening.

 

 

Confirmed?

[Jeroen83]

10 hours ago, Bumfluff said:

Korea. Surely we need a way to get this beast in this game. 

Agreed. If I’ve listened to the interview well enough, I expect Korea to be the next module. Mig Alley was quite a successful sim. Jets are already modeled in Il2, there’s plenty of reference for the aircraft and never it was mentioned it’s going to be another WW2 setting.

[CountZero]

4 hours ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

La-7 in the works.

 

Followed by a Y-Wing

Confirmed?

Yes in video they say no to PTO of any kined, to risky for next DLC

 

2 hours ago, Jeroen83 said:

Agreed. If I’ve listened to the interview well enough, I expect Korea to be the next module. Mig Alley was quite a successful sim. Jets are already modeled in Il2, there’s plenty of reference for the aircraft and never it was mentioned it’s going to be another WW2 setting.

MiG Alley, what most ppl wont when they say they wont Korea, is Jet centric. So if you lisend to video you would here when they say next DLC is prop one.

So if they plan to do Korea, that is all about first jet v jet DFs, why would they say next DLC is prop one.

 

DCS have MiG-15s and Sabers, ppl who wont Korea play there, this is only 2 airplanes that mather in Korea war.

 

Next DLC is clearly El Salvador V Honduras, ppl who still think its Korea are delusional.

[Trooper117]

14 minutes ago, CountZero said:

Next DLC is clearly El Salvador V Honduras

 

Talk about delusional.... Yes, I'm absolutely sure that will sell like hot cakes.  

If the dev's want to go out of business, please follow the Count's advice!

[Chief_Mouser]

6 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

 

Talk about delusional.... Yes, I'm absolutely sure that will sell like hot cakes.  

If the dev's want to go out of business, please follow the Count's advice!

 

I do believe he was being whimsical ☺️

[Dagwoodyt]

2 hours ago, 216th_Cat said:

 

I do believe he was being whimsical ☺️

The entire thread is whimsy. Given a risk averse team mindset, the promise of something "new" doesn't give much reason to expect that "new" equals "exciting".

[CountZero]

3 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

 

Talk about delusional.... Yes, I'm absolutely sure that will sell like hot cakes.  

If the dev's want to go out of business, please follow the Count's advice!

They selected Churchill as first collector tank, im sure their business plans are great ?

 

El Salvador v Honduras still have better chances of happening then any PTO or Korea 

 

 

 

[Eisenfaustus]

6 minutes ago, CountZero said:

El Salvador v Honduras still have better chances of happening then any PTO or Korea 

I completely disagree with this assessment