In case anyone missed it, the Pacific just became a possibility for CloD

[Dagwoodyt]

just when the session was getting really interesting?

[No.54_Reddog]

On 10/8/2022 at 3:16 PM, Cloyd said:

And this is why 343KKT_Kintaro is one of very few people on my ignore list.

 

I bought Clod at release when I knew that my Pentium IV wasn't capable of running it, actually, it would not even install. So, I consider myself a "fan" but I am not a "fanatic" or a member of a cult. Clod will stand or fall on its own merits. It is a game, not a religion.

 

Ignore list? Tell me, what is this witchcraft you speak of? Asking for a friend.

[Mysticpuma]

12 minutes ago, No.54_Reddog said:

 

Ignore list? Tell me, what is this witchcraft you speak of? Asking for a friend.

Top-Right of page, click your profile name, choose "Ignored Users". Type the name of the person you never want to see a post from again. Save.

[Dagwoodyt]

If someone has an intense need to be accepted as an authority figure while others continually frustrate that need, threads tend to spiral downward.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

You dear Mysticpuma opened that thread. Thread's title reads "In case anyone missed it, the Pacific just became a possibility for CloD".

 

My response is that if we want the Dover series goes to the Pacific, a few requirements need to be fulfilled, same as a few elements as well need to be taken into account:

 

1) Companies 1CGS and TFS should maintain their "gentlemen's agreement" which consists in "not stepping on each others' toes" (for the source, click here on ENGLISH Interview with IL-2 GB team In October 2022 by Enigma89, timing is 44'13'' onwards).

 

2) It has to be taken into account that 1CGS, for the moment, doesn't want to take the risk of failure when implementing carrier operations in their IL2GB sim (click here for the source).

 

3) It has to be taken into account that TFS is, apparently, able to properly model carrier operations in their IL2CoD sim.

 

On the above mentioned basis of points 1), 2) and 3)... we could expect from those companies that they agree if they want to so agree that all carrier-based battles in the Pacific are left to TFS and that the terrain-based air battles in the Pacific are left to 1CGS. This results in the following hypothetical distribution of historical theatres of operations:

 

TFS

 

- Coral Sea

- Midway

- Solomon Islands

- Santa Cruz

- Philippine Sea

 

1CGS

 

- Burma

- Singapore

- Guadalcanal

- Okinawa

- Iwo Jima

 

This way, both series of games would expand each for many years... "not stepping on each others' toes".

 

I'm staying on topic, I'm sticking to the subject that is supposed to be treated by the original post. Please gentlemen tell me what you think.

 

Friendly: Kintaro

 

 

[BOO]

I think it isnt even worth talking about right now. Not even hypothetically. What are presented as facts are throwaways, mumblings and unsubstantiated rumours.

 

 

[AndyJWest]

The world being hit by a giant meteorite tomorrow is also a possibility. I'm beginning to wonder whether it might be a good thing if it was...

[Dagwoodyt]

2 hours ago, BOO said:

I think it isnt even worth talking about right now. Not even hypothetically. What are presented as facts are throwaways, mumblings and unsubstantiated rumours.

 

 

Yes, a patently fanciful proposition, but as an attention-getting device it has to suffice for now. ?

Edited October 10, 2022 by Dagwoodyt

[343KKT_Kintaro]

[simfan1998]

On 10/7/2022 at 8:49 PM, Sleepy_Fly said:

 

Do you remember this movie?

 

Off course, very good movie, a good satire.
Provide a six pack, a spliff, 2 nachos bags and cheese sauce.
Actually i saw the official 3d models from the movie somewhere for free , would a be nice joke to put them in the game, even as statics 
 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

I just learned the following: three days ago, NineLine, who is a spokeperson within Eagle Dynamics, said (click on the image for the source):

 

 

 

 

Rumours of the following stuff being prepared in future DCS products and modules:

 

- A 1940s Marianas map.
- A fyable F4U Corsair is in the works
- Apparently a flyable zero as well
- Apparently a flyable F6F Hellcat too
- A set of AI Japanese aircraft
- An Essex class aircraft carrier, with escort vessels

 

A few sources:

 

https://stormbirds.blog/2022/08/12/eagle-dynamics-reveal-dcs-sinai-talk-wwii-marianas/

 

https://www.facebook.com/eagle.dynamics/posts/we-are-also-pleased-to-share-more-exciting-progress-being-made-by-our-third-part/10166315052620341/

 

https://twitter.com/eagledynamics/status/1482004591214415873

 

So, within Eagle Dynamics, things seem to move forward in the direction of the Pacific theatre of operations.

 

I love DCS but it's constituted by "study" products... if the Pacific had to come to our more modern PC combat flight sims (DCS / IL2GB / IL2CoD) I'd prefer it comes to the survey-type sims like our IL-2 games, either Great Battles or Dover series. I prefer to have one map and ten types, five Japanese aircraft models and their five Allie counterpart, even if the level of detail is lower than in DCS.

 

 

[Sleepy_Fly]

6 minutes ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

So, within Eagle Dynamics, things seem to move forward in the direction of the Pacific theatre of operations.

 

In counterpart, we must waiting 10 years to get this map optimised, like the Normandy map.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Just now, Sleepy_Fly said:

In counterpart, we must waiting 10 years to get this map optimised, like the Normandy map.

 

 

Sorry, Sleepy Fly, I don't get it... concerning these ten years of supposed waiting, were you talking about a DCS Pacific map in the 1940s, a Great Battles Pacific module or a Dover series Pacific add-on? Or about all three?

 

[Hawks5]

DCS has big plans for many things, but their development pace is in a neck and neck race with continental drift.

[Dagwoodyt]

scattering "flights" of fancy ?

Edited October 14, 2022 by Dagwoodyt

[343KKT_Kintaro]

The first DCS module, a study-level Ka-50 helicopter, was released in 2008. That was many years ago. 14 years. Now plenty of DCS products are out, even WWII planes and maps... but nothing set in or related to the WWII Asia-Pacific theatre of operations. This recent scattering flight of fancy, "we have big plans for the Pacific", comes from the Eagles Dynamics spokesperson and may it be fanciful it nevertheless indicates that the Pacific is in the air. The Asia/Pacific theatre of operations has been, and still is, missing from our three more modern sims for too many years... and the three affected companies (Eagle Dynamics, 1C Game Studios and Team Fusion Simulations) know that. They think about it. Considering the situation as it is, I asked president J. F. Kennedy what does he think about going to the Pacific in a modern combat flight sim... and this is exactly what he told me: "it will be done before the end of this decade". ?

 

Come on guys, easy... simple reread the title, the whole thread is 100% fancy. Cheers.

 

[Hawks5]

Even if DCS do go to the Pacific, chances are it will be just like the rest of their stuff.  A bunch of mismatched aircraft from different periods of the war, with very little if any supporting AI air units, and probably a paid assets pack. None of their stuff that they have produced gives the end user a concise focused theatre which both CLOD and BoX do very well.

 

Not to mention DCS is in serious need of optimization, Vulkan and multicore support have been in development for years with little sign of appearing any time soon, the AI is a mess, and most importantly for me - there is no way to easily generate believable missions.  Their 'world' just feels empty to me.

 

So on one hand, yes, it will be good for them to go to the Pacific.  But on the other hand it will likely inherit all the current weaknesses that DCS has IMO.  I would like Pacific done right - not just some random sandbox experience. 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

DCS is really cool when, for the first time, you donwload (for free) their TF-51D trainer and, at trying a full-realism engine start and full-realism piloting and flight, you simply realise that level of modelling. Then you say "wow!". Then you purchase one Fw 190 A8 (or one Spitfire, or one P-51D... mine is the Fw 190)... then you purchase one WWII map... then you purchase their "WWII Assets Pack" including vehicles, ships, AI B-17... but if you want to reenact a specific historical air battle with a nice array of different flyable types so that different players find their respective favourite planes... it turns out that the DCS hardcore-simulation products are not sufficient enough to provide the equivalent experience that is provided by a survey-type sim like Dover or Great Battles. In a survey there's a lesser level of detail... but you have a full all-in-one scenario with  some ten different flyable types, some AI vehicles and ships, some scenery elements... and one map at least. DCS is excellent, sure, but you'd need a fortune if you wanted to reenact a Battle of Britain with the same number of aircraft that you find in "Blitz" (in "Blitz": 12 flyable types, 13 AI types, 62 variants and subvariants all in all). A fortune... and 30 years of waiting so that every plane, vehicle and map is fully developed.

 

Thus... I definitely agree with you Hawks5. From the very beginning of my mention to DCS in the present thread I was already thinking exactly the same. My point about DCS, here, today, is that... well, as I said... the Pacific is in the air... and three days ago Eagle Dynamics gave us a taste of that. That's all.

 

 

[BOO]

Kintaro, DCS have been trailing WW2 PTO for perhaps 3years if not more. It’s not a recent thing. The “rumours” at least for the most part, have more substance than anything else alluded to in this thread and backed up with development images and even a demo of the Corsair and carrier from Magnitude. The map exists albeit in its modern iteration but again a lot of images of it’s ww2 version are also out there. 
 

Regardless of how ED and it’s 3rd patties works timescales, it’s a lot more committed to the PTO than either 1CGS orTF at this point. In that regard I am sure we will see a Ww2 fighter landing on a WW2 carrier off a WW2 pacific island in DCS before we do anywhere else. 
 

Making immersive missions in DCS is a give and take. The mission editor is the best out of all the sims for accessibility and the paid campaigns of late have been a level above. But you are limited in terms of aircraft sets which is a huge negative point. For the PTO I can’t recall much talk of AI or static assets but I haven’t been looking. It appears DCS as is it’s way, feels that producing 2 overly high fidelity AI US bombers is the current priority. 
 

Like you, I think GB and CloDs ethos of scenario and plane set is the preferred option for most. However, neither of these have produced anything but hot air to date in terms of the PTO. This leaves DCS the leader in a field of one. 
 

Which brings me to my point. If the PTO is this goldmine that some make it out to be, real and potential sales alone should prick up EDs and their partners ears and the content should flow. They have gone on record to assert that WW2 modules produce the greater profit v time/cost and the P47 proved they could produce a full fidelity module with limited data. They have also produced a good technology prover with the Marianas map and have proven carrier tech.  
 

The question is just how popular the PTO really is once the novelty wears off. ED have the field to themselves to exploit if they wish, a theatre unsullied by competition and the time to make hay. 
 

Time will tell. 

 

 

 

[9./JG52_J-HAT]

10 hours ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

I just learned the following: three days ago, NineLine, who is a spokeperson within Eagle Dynamics, said (click on the image for the source):

 

 

 

 

Rumours of the following stuff being prepared in future DCS products and modules:

 

- A 1940s Marianas map.
- A fyable F4U Corsair is in the works
- Apparently a flyable zero as well
- Apparently a flyable F6F Hellcat too
- A set of AI Japanese aircraft
- An Essex class aircraft carrier, with escort vessels

 

A few sources:

 

https://stormbirds.blog/2022/08/12/eagle-dynamics-reveal-dcs-sinai-talk-wwii-marianas/

 

https://www.facebook.com/eagle.dynamics/posts/we-are-also-pleased-to-share-more-exciting-progress-being-made-by-our-third-part/10166315052620341/

 

https://twitter.com/eagledynamics/status/1482004591214415873

 

So, within Eagle Dynamics, things seem to move forward in the direction of the Pacific theatre of operations.

 

I love DCS but it's constituted by "study" products... if the Pacific had to come to our more modern PC combat flight sims (DCS / IL2GB / IL2CoD) I'd prefer it comes to the survey-type sims like our IL-2 games, either Great Battles or Dover series. I prefer to have one map and ten types, five Japanese aircraft models and their five Allie counterpart, even if the level of detail is lower than in DCS.

 

 

Thanks for summing it all up. This has been going on for at least two years in this form with dcs. The Corsair iirc has been in the works since basically when DCS 2.5 came out if not before. So it‘s at least five years if I am remembering the dates right.

Hellcat is Nick Grey‘s favorite aircraft (interview sometime in 2021) but ED won‘t confirm anything. Just they have big plans.

 

Anyone think CloD development cycles are long? Dive deep into DCS WW2 then… you gotta become a Galapagos tortoise to be able to wait patiently for them to release anything (so far at least).

 

And all they say officially is they have big plans. Have been saying that for 2 years but have never laid out any of these plans nor indicated what they would be.

 

And I should have read the others’ answers first…

 

 

And don‘t get me wrong, I like DCS. I will be buying the Corsair and the Hellcat and the new Normandy 2 map, no doubt about it. And the F-15E… and have almost all modules and main terrains. But one thing I learned in DCS was when it‘s here, it‘s here. And nothing exists until it gets released.

 

Sort of like I do with CloD tbh, just I find the situation in DCS even worse.

Edited October 14, 2022 by 9./JG52_J-HAT

[BOO]

34 minutes ago, 9./JG52_J-HAT said:

 But one thing I learned in DCS was when it‘s here, it‘s here.

 

 

When it’s em here it’s in early access ?
 

I used to joke that DCS are so committed to accuracy that they were waiting for the trees to grow to make the mossie. 
 

Timescales aside DCS PTO is going to be a thing before any other. How much of a thing remains to be seen. 
 

My lad asked me why I keep buying modules when I get so frustrated. I told him that I’m buying them for his kids…….or maybe their kids. 

Edited October 14, 2022 by BOO

[9./JG52_J-HAT]

9 minutes ago, BOO said:

When it’s here it’s in early access ?
 

Yeah, then wait two years until you can use it properly because you don‘t want to relearn everything three times because they keep changing and adding stuff ?

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Thank you for your comments gents, I read all of them. If whether or not we'll get a Pacific game with ten flyable types and a map (which in the domain of serious simulation this currently could only happen in IL2GB or IL2CoD)... we'll see. As BOO said: time will tell.

 

 

[BladeMeister]

13 hours ago, Sleepy_Fly said:

In counterpart, we must waiting 10 years to get this map optimised, like the Normandy map.

Optimally, that would make me 68 and hopefully retired with plenty of time to learn and fly a DCS Pacific theater. Realistically, I will be 78 to 88 before this happens and to old, to tired and to cranky to even mess with the likes of DCS any more. Oh well, c'est la vie!

 

S!Blade<><