TrueSky Update - layered clouds

[Rapierarch]

On 10/5/2022 at 6:09 PM, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

BUZZSAW comment:

 

Not correct.... see my later post.

 

Hahahaha! I cannot believe this. Good old Il-2 gets dynamic volumetric clouds before DCS. Wonderful work Team Fusion! I would have never thought that engine came this far. VR was also a shock for me. 

[Sitaro]

I just pray every day that VR finally gets released.  In 3+ years i have logged less than 1 hour of flight. I thought I would never fly it then TF announced VR. 

[Lord_Pyro]

Same for me. In all those years i always had it installed and properly patched, but got rid of track IR, as after flying VR there is no sane way to go back to anything none vr.

So the mention of a nearby VR release exites me

[Avimimus]

  

On 10/5/2022 at 7:16 PM, Buzzsaw said:

What we will not be including is rain/snow/sleet/hail... hoping there will be fog though.

 

So no rain at all? I suppose the clouds are worth it... still though, it would be good to at least have audio-effect for rain (given the part of the world being modelled).

 

This is probably largely irrelevant given that we're unlikely to get interwar competition gliders... but are there thermals? I'm curious how much of the buggy weather system survives from Cliffs (I believe it was disabled in an official patch shortly after release? Or enabled by a hack or something). Yet another case of them reaching for the stars and falling short.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

9 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

 So no rain at all?

 

 

My reading of Buzzsaw's statements is that, normally, we should get "rain/snow/sleet/hail" at release of the next add-on (TF6.0). About the thermals... no idea!

 

 

[Padre*]

On 10/7/2022 at 12:50 AM, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

 

 

Oh my God, Padre, you know nothing about the excitement back in the mid/late 2000s, when flying an AIchi D3A loaded with fuel and bombs over the "Battle of the Coral Sea map" (nothing but water!)... the excitement of relying at 100% on your navigation skills in order to find the American fleet on this empty desert... the excitement of finding the fleet at last... through a clouds formation... one hour after the coop has been launched (!)... the excitement of the last climb in formation so that every hikoki in the hikotai is in position before the dive... the enemy shells exploding all around... Attention! in position! airbrakes deployed! Then you dive! and the Yorktown starts growing... and growing... and growing... the shells exploding at a faster pace... then in this dive of madness... at 500 metres only from that dammed flat top, you drop your bombs and immediately recover the levelled flight... you reach the horizontal position just in time to see that your bomber is at one metre over the waves and that, out of your three bombs, two only impacted the carrier... your gunner's dead... your fuel tanks leak... then you realise: "I'll never make it, I'll never go back to the Zuikaku alive"... so you say goodbay to your hikotaicho and comrades, you reach some altitude and you use your gunsight for the last time, this time when the bomb you aim to crash on the target is nothing but your onw plane with you in the cockpit: TENNO HEIKA!!!!! BANZAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!

 

Padre, please, do not say again that the Pacific in IL2-1946 was boring.

 

Did you actually read my comment, because your response doesnt seem to address anything I said. You also make assumptions and attempt to school me on something I know very well. However, I will expand below on your comments, and how you dont even show them in any context. I'll give you that context.

Just because you like it, that doesn't mean that everyone does. It also doesn't mean your voice is the majority voice either. You like it, fair enough. Each to their own.

 

Let's look at this from a factual point of view.

 

In the heyday of IL-1946 (I also was there) with a vast choice of maps, aircraft and servers, those that had exclusively Pacific maps were few, and few for a reason. There were at least 10 to 20 times as many servers with European/Mediterranean maps and they were all full servers. There were also servers that ran a mixture of maps. After a little bit of time, once the novelty of the Pacific wore off, the majority of people got bored with it. It then only interested a few hardcore people. This is evidenced by servers emptying when those maps came on. It's also evidenced by the relatively few servers to run Pacific only maps. Like I've said before, I was a server admin. I know what people were asking for and they were begging me to skip some of the boring pacific maps.

However, with European maps, with the vast amount of possible scenarios, some of which have still not even been covered in flight sims, the possibilities of historical missions is almost endless. Europe had already been at war two years when the Pacific war started, and even then, apart for a few limited raids, not much actually happened to begin with, especially after the US fleet was devastated at Pearl Harbour. Also look at how useless the US aircraft were at the beginning of the war. They were completely unprepared and the aircraft completely inadequate. After two years, it was the complete opposite, The US aircraft completely outclassed the dated Japanese aircraft. That's what I meant when I said "one sided scenarios"

 

Also you have to look at the sheer numbers of nations who took part in the European and Mediterranean theatres. There was at least 30 different nations who had people serving in the RAF or USAAF. When you look at that fact, think about the many people from many different nations who had a relative who served there. This will seriously increase the potential numbers of people who would be interested in what their family members, or even countrymen, did for them and for all of Europe.

 

Now think of this business of choosing a scenario as being your business choice to make. Your money is there to invest.

Do you make something that potentially only a few people might be interested in and gets old very quickly?
Or do you make something that potentially lots more people will be interested in where the scenario possibilities are endless?

 

Remember, your decision could make your company bankrupt and close if you get it wrong. You can't make decisions with your heart, you have to make them with your head. Would you put your money into a Pacific scenario over a European one?

As for boring maps with endless water to fly over, it's no different to the BOS or BOM maps. It's just endless non-descript land which is boring to fly over. Look at the new Normandy map. Look at Combat Box. It's now the busiest server and the potential for historical scenarios in that game has grown tenfold.

It's just unfortunate that the Great Battles game engine is so old and poor that it can not accomodate either Carriers or 4 Engine Bombers. Even the server software overloads as it is as the game engine is working beyond it's limitations. It wasn't made for WWII aircraft or scenarios. It was made for Rise of Flight. It's also not capable of complex modelling like CLOD is. Even the graphics are much better than Great Battles, and that's without the visual update. I could go on, but that's another discussion.

Edited October 11, 2022 by 334th_Padre*

[9./JG52_J-HAT]

Thanks for your point of view. I hadn‘t stopped to think about it this way or had this impression about how the player base perceived it.

 

I remember playing on land maps in the pacific, Spitfires vs. Japanese aircraft. Some CBI server, can‘t remember which. Also islands, with a bit of water between them. But not carrier vs carrier (no land bases).

When PF came out I joined a naval squad and we used to fly a lot of coops in the pacific taking off and landing on carriers.

 

Thinking a bit more about, it takes a whole lot of skill to fly over an empty sea map. And patience. Not many people would do it. 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Hi Padre, please click here for my response.

[Trooper117]

There is a whole wealth of Pacific air battles fought over land against the Japanese Army Air Force... it doesn't have to be always carriers and long flights over the sea.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

27 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

There is a whole wealth of Pacific air battles fought over land against the Japanese Army Air Force... it doesn't have to be always carriers and long flights over the sea.

 

 

Hi trooper. Here Riley is showing us the layered clouds that are being implemented by means of TrueSKY. In connection with your point I already responded to it... but in the appropriate place, the thread that Mysticpuma has created for the possibility of the Pacific theatre of operations in the Dover series. Wishing you all the best: 

 

 

[Padre*]

8 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

There is a whole wealth of Pacific air battles fought over land against the Japanese Army Air Force... it doesn't have to be always carriers and long flights over the sea.

I'm not saying there isn't, but like I did say it creates one-sided battles, whether early or late. You should take the entireity of my comment into consideration.

What I was saying is that the European theatre offers a vast amount more scenarios for a much vaster potential audience than the pacific because the actual war was going on for a lot longer than in the Pacific and involved more people from more nations, so from a business perspective, you will get more sales for a European scenario. This means it will fund development of more instalments in the future and give a more solid base for future development.

 

I would have thought this fairly easy to understand, but I guess some don't think of the bigger picture.

[Trooper117]

I've followed the IL2 brand since it came out and bought everything they have ever produced, I've been flight simming for donkeys years and fully understand 'the bigger picture' thanks very much... I really don't give a rats arse what they do next, but even the dev's understand they have to do something 'new'... why? because the same format gets old that's why and punters want change, not the same old thing over and over.

We know we aren't getting Pacific, they said so in the interview, but we do know it will be 'new'... they've just done two GB's in western Europe, so that's old hat and unlikely to be covered again.

Whatever it is, some people will moan, others will rave over it as the best thing since sliced bread, others will buy it just because they are fans, even if it doesn't really float their boat... that's the big picture, and it's always been that way.

[Dagwoodyt]

Use of the word "new" is standard patter when describing an upcoming project.?

Edited October 17, 2022 by Dagwoodyt