Translated QA

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

27 minutes ago, Alexmarine said:

 

*Raises hand*

 

Hey, I just like pounding ground stuff, either with a Stuka, an Il-2, a Typhoon or any other ground attacker 

Props for me personally.  No interest in jets.

[Avimimus]

29 minutes ago, Alexmarine said:

 

*Raises hand*

 

Hey, I just like pounding ground stuff, either with a Stuka, an Il-2, a Typhoon or any other ground attacker 

 

To be honest - I'm pretty similar - I just want to do that in contested airspace in an Fighter bomber version of the Meteor or Vampire or an Il-28 or Il-10 etc.

 

Korean War era Vampires were actually retrofitted with armoured plates making them Sturmoviks (to behave more like Typhoons), while the Venoms acted as the newer higher altitude fighter (Tempest like)!

 

 

40 minutes ago, CountZero said:

So for most ppl Korea is MiG Alley like PTO is Carriers. By that if your like most ppl asking for Korea, then your asking for them to make DLC of MiG Alley, so its late war, front static, night bombing from big bombers, and its 1 airplane for one side and 9 for other side, good luck with that DLC. Map where one side operate from China and other from S Korea 400+km apart. MiG vs Sabers and nothing els, atleast in other WW2 options you get bombers and GA for both sides. Or your up for fantasy Korea with Tu-2S, La-11s, Yak-9s and IL-10s taking 4 places from other important allied airplanes, you can have 20 allied airplanes that fit, and only 1 for China. Yes dont see that as option with MiG alley timeline.

 

I suppose they could get more diversity if they modelled only the summer of 1950 only in the area near Seoul - having the player fly every sortie in order to allow more missions during a compressed campaign timeframe. But that wouldn't include the Mig-15 or the later Sabre variants etc.

 

  

2 hours ago, 352ndOscar said:

You don’t need carriers for a “Slot” Campaign Map………or a “New Guinea” Campaign Map either.  

 

Could one really model the Slot without Carriers?

[oc2209]

7 hours ago, CountZero said:

How are you expecting Berlin when maps in game dont have London, Paris and Moscow ? if they are crazy enought to do another east front at time of real war in east, it can only be Poland 45, map betwen Berlin and Warsaw, and nither of thouse citys would be on map because big hit on performance (same like Paris and London dont exist in BoN even as textures in distance). Good luck promoting game where russians are liberating poland for next 3 years DLC cykle lol that aint gona happend.

If PTO is no go, Korea is fantasy, your left with Sicily 43, Italy 45 and Channel 43, there is no other vailable option in todays world and games limitations.

 

Where did I say to include the actual city of Berlin?

 

I use the word loosely, the same way Moscow is used as the general front location without actually being in the sim.

 

As for not wanting to do it because of current issues... as I've said before, this is a sim that focuses on aircraft engineering. I don't give a flying fu** about whether there's a red star, or a white star, or a black cross on a plane. I want to fly it, if it has good flying characteristics.

 

I'm going to assume the majority of flight simmers feel the same way I do. Regardless of how loudly the same old 'never Eastern Front again!' opinions are repeated here.

 

To totally ignore the climactic end of the war is just plain idiotic. Regardless of when it's done, now or the next module or the next, it's got to be done at some point. Bitching and nagging that it's boring and blah blah blah--won't change its historical necessity and importance in the slightest.

 

I don't really care if flying German is boring by now. This is a sim based on reality, and the reality of the war was that Germans or German planes shouldered 90-95% of the Axis war effort in the West.

 

Likewise, I don't really care how unpopular everything Russian is right now. The reality is, this sim ends for the Russians in 1943, which is ridiculously boring from a technological and performance standpoint. Imagine if the only Spitfire we could fly was the V. Not the IX, not the XIV. That's what the Yak-9 is the technological equivalent of--the Spit V. 

 

But no, instead of representing more advanced versions of a piece of engineering that was built to the tune of 30,000+ planes, let's just pretend none of that actually happened because A) we're bored with that theater, and B) we want to allow current events to dictate how we represent the air-combat portion of a war that played out ~80 years ago.

 

Ooh, maybe we shouldn't ever go to the Italian front because a right wing candidate was elected there recently! Ooh, too soon!

 

Give me a break. Nothing happening in the real world today has any bearing on a sim that's covering a part of aviation history. Anybody trying to connect those dots either has a very narrow mindset or enjoys being miserable.

[Guest deleted@83466]

You know this is an entertainment product, right oc2209?  It’s not a reference library.  How do you say “who cares if it’s boring?”, they should make it anyway because it’s history.  Does that pay the bills?

[Voidhunger]

Im absolutely ok with the Berlin scenario and im looking forward to Ta152 and He162 but as i said before i need to have the time dilation issue fixed. If not its just nice planes in qmb again.

[oc2209]

4 minutes ago, SeaSerpent said:

You know this is an entertainment product, right oc2209?  It’s not a reference library.  How do you say “who cares if it’s boring?”, they should make it anyway because it’s history.  Does that pay the bills?

 

If they cared about what was perceived as boring to the masses, they'd never have made Kuban.

 

Right? I mean, how many Americans care one iota about, or know what or where a Kuban actually is?

 

Oh, so now some magical and arbitrary wall has been hit, and we can never have another Eastern Front module again--even if it has some of the best and most advanced designs of the entire war in it?

 

Like I said, give me a break.

[Rokychuchi]

Personally, I wouldn't mind more Eastern Front, above all, if it's late E.F. so I could have the whole EF career from 1941 to 1945, Yak-3, La-7, Tu-2, He-162 & co. I would buy that without hesitation, understanding that's the most logical play due to the circumstances. But I also understand the overwhelming majority wouldn't find it appealing to dig some more into the E.F.

Perhaps instead, we should notice that the interview in question was done "recently," but we don't know when exactly. So, due to the real-world issues, maybe even the late E.F. or any other BOX is too much to expect right now, and we should be thankful if there's still the possibility of bug fixing and FC2 finishing. I hope I'm wrong.

Take care all!

Edited September 28, 2022 by Rokychuchi
La-7, not La-5

[Jade_Monkey]

If it's more eastern front, I hope to see new plane types on the axis side such as the FW 189. There were some hints of photo recon being built, so hopefully more varied plane types start being included.

Edited September 28, 2022 by Jade_Monkey

[Niagara]

How about a Flying Tigers Module ??? 

[TheSNAFU]

Hmm flying tigers might be something to consider though again it crosses into the devs apparent limited knowledge of the subject. 
 

Korea would be cool. MiG Alley showed what could be done there even though it was buggy and incomplete. 
 

Late Eastern Front makes no sense to me. The war was all but over by then so seems play balance would be a problem for anyone playing the Axis side. 
 

I remain interested in seeing an update of the engine so the game performance can be consummate with our hardware and vr. With 4-5 gig multi core/threaded cpus and 3080/3090 gpu’s we should not have to deal with engine slowdowns and low fps in vr. 
 

I think the devs are at a crossroad. In many ways so are we. There are limited choices when it comes to Combat flight sims. It will be interesting to see where this goes from here. 

Edited September 28, 2022 by TheSNAFU

[MAJ_stug41]

1 minute ago, TheSNAFU said:

 

Late Eastern Front makes no sense to me. The war was all but over by then so seems play balance would be a problem for anyone playing the Axis side. 
 

Late war east is far more 'fair' than late war west. At least in the east the LW weren't completely irrelevant and outclassed. 

[oc2209]

1 hour ago, Rokychuchi said:

Personally, I wouldn't mind more Eastern Front, above all, if it's late E.F. so I could have the whole EF career from 1941 to 1945, Yak-3, La-7, Tu-2, He-162 & co. I would buy that without hesitation, understanding that's the most logical play due to the circumstances. But I also understand the overwhelming majority wouldn't find it appealing to dig some more into the E.F.

 

Can anybody explain to me why late war German planes weren't excruciatingly boring when they were included as part of Bodenplatte and Normandy, but it's going to be an absolute deal-breaker when more of them are included in another Eastern Front module? One that anyone should recognize as necessary to round out the franchise?

 

At some point--like, immediately after said Eastern Front module is released--everybody who's tired of German planes will get their wish: there won't be any major planes or variants left to fill out an entire module.

 

Then we can go back and be entertained by such technological marvels as the Brewster Buffalo flying against the same Russian planes we already have in the sim. I'm sure the 'overwhelming majority' of players will be as excited by that prospect as I am.

 

1 hour ago, Rokychuchi said:

Perhaps instead, we should notice that the interview in question was done "recently," but we don't know when exactly. So, due to the real-world issues, maybe even the late E.F. or any other BOX is too much to expect right now, and we should be thankful if there's still the possibility of bug fixing and FC2 finishing. I hope I'm wrong.

 

Are they really going to prick tease us at this late date? Hint that they have plans they're excited about, but really they don't and they're putting the game on life support? I don't see what reason they'd have to misrepresent things by feeding us information that's no longer applicable.

[Rokychuchi]

6 minutes ago, oc2209 said:

Are they really going to prick tease us at this late date? Hint that they have plans they're excited about, but really they don't and they're putting the game on life support? I don't see what reason they'd have to misrepresent things by feeding us information that's no longer applicable.

 

"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" (John Lennon)

[TheSNAFU]

20 minutes ago, stug41 said:

Late war east is far more 'fair' than late war west. At least in the east the LW weren't completely irrelevant and outclassed. 

Really! On what level was the Luftwaffe a competitive force on the eastern front in late 44 and 45? Of course I suppose you could say that about the western front too 

Edited September 28, 2022 by TheSNAFU

[CCG_Pips]

5 hours ago, Vishnu said:

Where?

Do you think there is ONLY flight simulation in the life? Really?

[oc2209]

3 minutes ago, TheSNAFU said:

Really! On what level was the Luftwaffe a competitive force in late 44 and 45? 

 

Well, for one thing, they could actually bomb Russian ground forces enough to slow them down, however minimally.

 

For another, the Luftwaffe in the East still maintained an altitude performance advantage that, when combined with Russian tactical doctrine that still emphasized low-alt support, meant that veteran pilots were still able to practice hit and run style attacks against superior numbers, and have some chance of escaping.

 

This wasn't possible in the West. Not nearly to the same extent.

[Niagara]

IMHO, There is more then enough German A/C ,  how about upgrading to lets say -- a flyable B25  and A20G version , Beaufighter  ,Yak3  ???

[352ndOscar]

2 hours ago, Avimimus said:

 

To be honest - I'm pretty similar - I just want to do that in contested airspace in an Fighter bomber version of the Meteor or Vampire or an Il-28 or Il-10 etc.

 

Korean War era Vampires were actually retrofitted with armoured plates making them Sturmoviks (to behave more like Typhoons), while the Venoms acted as the newer higher altitude fighter (Tempest like)!

 

 

 

I suppose they could get more diversity if they modelled only the summer of 1950 only in the area near Seoul - having the player fly every sortie in order to allow more missions during a compressed campaign timeframe. But that wouldn't include the Mig-15 or the later Sabre variants etc.

 

  

 

Could one really model the Slot without Carriers?

With the exception of the engagement east off Santa Isabel Island in August, and the Battle in the Santa Cruz islands in October, the only carrier action would have been delivery of aircraft to Henderson Field - which could be easily handled with airstarts.  We did has much on the Slot Map in ‘46 before we got a carrier and it worked great.  Most all the other naval actions in the Slot involved Battlewagons, Cruisers, Destroyers, barges, PT Boats, Cargo transports, etc.  There is no recorded action with carriers “in” the Slot that I’m aware of.  Just sayin’…….

[Avimimus]

4 minutes ago, 352ndOscar said:

With the exception of the engagement east off Santa Isabel Island in August, and the Battle in the Santa Cruz islands in October, the only carrier action would have been delivery of aircraft to Henderson Field - which could be easily handled with airstarts.  We did has much on the Slot Map in ‘46 before we got a carrier and it worked great.  Most all the other naval actions in the Slot involved Battlewagons, Cruisers, Destroyers, barges, PT Boats, Cargo transports, etc.  There is no recorded action with carriers “in” the Slot that I’m aware of.  Just sayin’…….

 

Thanks!

[Vishnu]

33 minutes ago, CCG_Pips said:

Do you think there is ONLY flight simulation in the life? Really?

I’ll bite.  Tell me.  And don’t say DCS.  
 

It in no way offers the maps or variety of WWII aircraft BOX does. 

 

 

 Or War Thunder.  It’s an arcade game. 

 

 

Edited September 28, 2022 by Vishnu

[Avimimus]

Just now, Vishnu said:

I’ll bite.  Tell me.  And don’t say DCS.  

 

It in no way offers the maps or variety of WWII aircraft BOX does. 

 

I think the question is more 'do we enjoy sunsets, romance, long walks on the beach'... and can we do so without fantasizing about the Mig-3 while we are doing these other things.

 

P.S. I do agree with you largely. I appreciate the helicopters a great deal, but the depth of damage modelling - and more importantly the creation of relatively complete theatres with historical campaigns really hasn't been a focus for ED.

[TheSNAFU]

35 minutes ago, oc2209 said:

 

Well, for one thing, they could actually bomb Russian ground forces enough to slow them down, however minimally.

 

For another, the Luftwaffe in the East still maintained an altitude performance advantage that, when combined with Russian tactical doctrine that still emphasized low-alt support, meant that veteran pilots were still able to practice hit and run style attacks against superior numbers, and have some chance of escaping.

 

This wasn't possible in the West. Not nearly to the same extent.

They had limited numbers of front line aircraft, few experienced pilots and barely any fuel. Most often these factors reduced their effectiveness to a very low level. 

Edited September 28, 2022 by TheSNAFU

[Avimimus]

5 minutes ago, TheSNAFU said:

They had limited numbers of front line aircraft, few experienced pilots and barely any fuel. Most often these factors reduced their effectiveness to a very low level. 

 

I see what you are saying!

 

They should never have released BoBP or BoN!  

 

Afterall - In Normandy the Allies managed 49 sorties for every Luftwaffe sortie!

 

Best to only model 1939 to 1943!  

 

[Luftschiff]

1 minute ago, Avimimus said:

Best to only model 1939 to 1943!  

 

At last we agree, bring me those early war scenarios. I don't want to see another Yak for 12 years.

[Avimimus]

7 minutes ago, Luftschiff said:

At last we agree, bring me those early war scenarios. I don't want to see another Yak for 12 years.

 

Ah, but you misunderstand! We need more variants of the Yak-7  The Yak 9B was introduced in the fall of 1942. Also, LaGGs... we need at least two more LaGG fighters to model that era (an early one, and one with slats). Also, maybe a Mig-3 AM-38 field mod collector's aircraft  Should I go on?

[BraveSirRobin]

53 minutes ago, CCG_Pips said:

Do you think there is ONLY flight simulation in the life? Really?

 

It's the only one focused on realistic WW2 air battles.  If you want to recreate Final Countdown, check out DCS.

[oc2209]

54 minutes ago, TheSNAFU said:

They had limited numbers of front line aircraft, few experienced pilots and barely any fuel. Most often these factors reduced their effectiveness to a very low level. 

 

That wasn't the original question, was it?

 

The question was: did the Germans on the Eastern Front have a better chance of doing anything without getting slaughtered? As opposed to the Western Front where you were as likely to be shot down taking off and landing as anywhere else.

 

The answer was: yes. Regardless of whether the pinprick of German air resistance was effective at delaying the war's end by fifteen extra minutes--that's irrelevant. The point is that the Germans had more operational leeway on the Eastern Front than on the Western. Up to the bitter end.

 

Secondarily, it should also be mentioned that the Germans fought the Russians both in the air and on the ground with perhaps more vigor than they did against the Western Allies. The inevitability of defeat was apparent to all but the youngest inane or indoctrinated pilots and soldiers; but the necessity of limiting Russian advances into Germany was seen by most as the greater priority.

 

The Allied massed bombing raids were numbing at a certain point. The terror of so many bombers making the rubble bounce can only last so long--you can see why Luftwaffe pilots, especially novices, no longer saw the value in throwing themselves heedlessly at impossible odds. And why, by many Western Allied pilot accounts, the Luftwaffe of the West had largely lost its willingness to fight by late 1944.

 

But stopping waves of Red Army soldiers--hellbent on revenge--from sweeping through your home town: that was something else entirely. Whether based in reality or a result of propaganda makes no difference; the fear was real, and it was much more personal than trying to ineffectually stop the 1,243,687th bomb from dropping on your country.

 

Thus every bit of damage done by the Luftwaffe on the Eastern Front was made towards this end. There was greater incentive to literally fight to the last bullet, bomb, and drop of fuel.

 

That, along with the reasons I already mentioned, is why the Eastern Front does not equal the Western Front.

[DD_Arthur]

3 hours ago, oc2209 said:

 

If they cared about what was perceived as boring to the masses, they'd never have made Kuban.

 

Right? I mean, how many Americans care one iota about, or know what or where a Kuban actually is?

Er, actually they made Kuban because they didn’t understand what was boring to the masses.

Americans, Europeans, the Spanish speaking world…they neither knew nor cared where the Kuban was. When these people browsed Steam they had no urge to spend dollars or euros on this game.

The result was;  Jason replaced the original Russian producer soon after Kuban was announced.

 

You must understand that this is a commercial product. The vast majority of people who buy it would struggle to recount the most basic facts of WW2.

 

We here on the forums are merely a bunch of eccentrics who depend on the whim of the greater game buying public to survive.

 

[TheSNAFU]

1 hour ago, Avimimus said:

 

I see what you are saying!

 

They should never have released BoBP or BoN!  

 

Afterall - In Normandy the Allies managed 49 sorties for every Luftwaffe sortie!

 

Best to only model 1939 to 1943!  

 

Yeah that’s what I meant they shouldn’t have done either… And yeah 39-43 at least represents a period where the war was still in doubt. 

 

You may want to study up on the East which was more deprived than the west. Additionally my issue would be more with a 45 module such as Battle of Berlin. That seems pointless due to the situation in the east at that point. 

6 minutes ago, oc2209 said:

 

That wasn't the original question, was it?

 

The question was: did the Germans on the Eastern Front have a better chance of doing anything without getting slaughtered? As opposed to the Western Front where you were as likely to be shot down taking off and landing as anywhere else.

 

The answer was: yes. Regardless of whether the pinprick of German air resistance was effective at delaying the war's end by fifteen extra minutes--that's irrelevant. The point is that the Germans had more operational leeway on the Eastern Front than on the Western. Up to the bitter end.

 

Secondarily, it should also be mentioned that the Germans fought the Russians both in the air and on the ground with perhaps more vigor than they did against the Western Allies. The inevitability of defeat was apparent to all but the youngest inane or indoctrinated pilots and soldiers; but the necessity of limiting Russian advances into Germany was seen by most as the greater priority.

 

The Allied massed bombing raids were numbing at a certain point. The terror of so many bombers making the rubble bounce can only last so long--you can see why Luftwaffe pilots, especially novices, no longer saw the value in throwing themselves heedlessly at impossible odds. And why, by many Western Allied pilot accounts, the Luftwaffe of the West had largely lost its willingness to fight by late 1944.

 

But stopping waves of Red Army soldiers--hellbent on revenge--from sweeping through your home town: that was something else entirely. Whether based in reality or a result of propaganda makes no difference; the fear was real, and it was much more personal than trying to ineffectually stop the 1,243,687th bomb from dropping on your country.

 

Thus every bit of damage done by the Luftwaffe on the Eastern Front was made towards this end. There was greater incentive to literally fight to the last bullet, bomb, and drop of fuel.

 

That, along with the reasons I already mentioned, is why the Eastern Front does not equal the Western Front.

Great points! That proves it then, a late 44/45 east front module would be awesome and will certainly be a popular choice. If they build it buy it. 

[oc2209]

3 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

Er, actually they made Kuban because they didn’t understand what was boring to the masses.

Americans, Europeans, the Spanish speaking world…they neither knew nor cared where the Kuban was. When these people browsed Steam they had no urge to spend dollars or euros on this game.

The result was;  Jason replaced the original Russian producer soon after Kuban was announced.

 

You must understand that this is a commercial product. The vast majority of people who buy it would struggle to recount the most basic facts of WW2.

 

We here on the forums are merely a bunch of eccentrics who depend on the whim of the greater game buying public to survive.

 

 

Yeah, but are we going to deny that Kuban isn't a nice map? And that the plane set wasn't worth putting in the sim?

 

Overall, isn't the sim more interesting because Kuban is in it, than if the module didn't exist at all?

 

Besides, comparing the historical relevance of Kuban to Berlin is a non-starter. There's no way Berlin and the events surrounding it are as inherently obscure as the Kuban theater. My point was that if the series can survive developing Kuban, I think it can survive making one last Eastern Front module.

 

I'm also going to disagree on the kinds of people who'd buy this sim. You've got to have at least a passing interest in WWII aviation history to care about Sturmovik. The truly oblivious gamer-only crowd stops at War Thunder. They don't even consider buying a sim like this. 

 

If we really want to rebrand the series into something sexy and exciting to the uncaring masses, then the first order would be to change the name from Sturmovik; a plane that absolutely no one in the Western world would care about.

 

But for me at least, the oddity of Sturmovik was what first drew me into the series (as in, the original). You know you're not getting the same predictable Western design perspective. You know there's going to be some oddball planes that no other sim will build.

 

That's kind of what makes Sturmovik, Sturmovik.

[Jaws2002]

19 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

Er, actually they made Kuban because they didn’t understand what was boring to the masses.

Americans, Europeans, the Spanish speaking world…they neither knew nor cared where the Kuban was. When these people browsed Steam they had no urge to spend dollars or euros on this game.

The result was;  Jason replaced the original Russian producer soon after Kuban was announced.

 

You must understand that this is a commercial product. The vast majority of people who buy it would struggle to recount the most basic facts of WW2.

 

We here on the forums are merely a bunch of eccentrics who depend on the whim of the greater game buying public to survive.

 

Very few people knew, back then,  what an Il-2 was and that didn't stop it to become the best flight sim of it's generation.

[BraveSirRobin]

Just now, oc2209 said:

 

Yeah, but are we going to deny that Kuban isn't a nice map? And that the plane set wasn't worth putting in the sim?

 

Overall, isn't the sim more interesting because Kuban is in it, than if the module didn't exist at all?

 

That is completely and totally irrelevant.  They need to make money.  If they make another early East front game they are dead.  D E A D.  

[Guest deleted@83466]

Oc2209, you keep asking why not more East front, because after all they made BoK.  I loved Kuban when it came out, a few years ago. I was also a big Game of Thrones fan then.  Now we have House of Dragons?  I’m sure it’s good, but I guess I got a little sick of the Targaryens, kinda don’t care.

[oc2209]

3 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

That is completely and totally irrelevant.

 

Not really.

 

Berlin's bigger than Kuban in name recognition. Berlin and its late war plane set would be a draw for at least German enthusiasts. Assuming absolutely no one wants to fly Russian.

 

I guess being able to turn on a dime while also being able to hit 400 MPH on the deck while also having a heavy nose-mounted armament--all of that just doesn't draw people in like it used to.

 

There's more on the table than Kuban offered, aside from Kuban undeniably having the more interesting map.

 

Point is: there's no reason Berlin would sell as poorly or worse than Kuban.

 

6 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

If they make another early East front game they are dead.  D E A D.  

 

Well, it wouldn't be the first time that the narrow-mindedness of the masses disappointed me, but let's just assume your forecast is accurate.

 

Are we left with a Mediterranean module and then oblivion? End of the series? One thing CountZero and I can agree on: the number of remaining viable locations for a module is dwindling fast. Anybody who thinks Finland or France or Poland would sell better than Berlin '45 is completely absorbed in their own perspective and no amount of bitter reality will change that.

 

If Pacific will never happen (anytime soon, anyway), and Berlin is suicide, then that leaves the Mediterranean alone.

 

So if the series is doomed to die after one more module, then I would rather have a Ta-152 or an He-162 or a Yak-3 or a Yak-9U or an La-7; instead of the Mediterranean's Italian unicorns and a smattering of mostly copy-paste Allied planes that would be inferior in performance to ones we already have.

 

If the series is all but over, I want the full Götterdämmerung experience. Not the Italian sideshow with pretty coastal sunsets.

[HBPencil]

14 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

The vast majority of people who buy it would struggle to recount the most basic facts of WW2.

I ask this out of a genuine sense of inquiry, how do you know that the majority of people who buy into this sim have little or no knowledge and interest in WW2, specifically the air war? I don't recall the devs releasing any sort of research data about the player base but then again I could easily missed it if they had.

Regards

[ST_Catchov]

7 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

 

How you going to do Korea without Panthers, Corsairs, Skyraiders, Sea Fury's?

 

 

And Mickey Rooney in a helicopter, a carrier and a love story? I'm not buyin' it.

[oc2209]

8 minutes ago, SeaSerpent said:

Oc2209, you keep asking why not more East front, because after all they made BoK.  I loved Kuban when it came out, a few years ago. I was also a big Game of Thrones fan then.  Now we have House of Dragons?  I’m sure it’s good, but I guess I got a little sick of the Targaryens, kinda don’t care.

 

If one of the dragons is made of plywood, has a jet engine strapped to its back, and has an ejection seat, I'm betting your interest would be rekindled.

 

Even Jason's expressed interest in the 162. Everyone loves engineering deathtraps built in desperation.

[BraveSirRobin]

3 minutes ago, oc2209 said:

 

Are we left with a Mediterranean module and then oblivion? End of the series? One thing CountZero and I can agree on: the number of remaining viable locations for a module is dwindling fast. Anybody who thinks Finland or France or Poland would sell better than Berlin '45 is completely absorbed in their own perspective and no amount of bitter reality will change that.

 

If Pacific will never happen (anytime soon, anyway), and Berlin is suicide, then that leaves the Mediterranean alone.

 

We probably have Italy, mid war Channel, North Africa, and late war East front.  That assumes PTO is not an option.  If the next module is early East then they are done.  There won’t be a follow up.

[oc2209]

2 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

We probably have Italy, mid war Channel, North Africa, and late war East front.  That assumes PTO is not an option.  If the next module is early East then they are done.  There won’t be a follow up.

 

Mid-war Channel? My god, how could it be anything but 90% copy paste?

 

Ditto for North Africa, at least as far as Allied and German planes go.

 

At least Berlin's redundant plane sets will have top performers on both sides. Every other theater represents retrograde performance and armament. Every single one.

 

Seems silly to go backwards when you haven't even explored the limits of forwards yet.

[Guest deleted@83466]

BSR isn’t recommending mid-war channel, he’s simply recounting what the viable options are.