P-38 questions.

[FeuerFliegen]

As it is possible in real life, I am not sure of how to turn off/on both the manual water and oil radiators individually, (as opposed to both engines simultaneously).  If you select just one engine, and select manual radiators, both engines radiators go into manual mode, even though there are two separate switches in the cockpit.  Once you do thisl, you can adjust the engines individually, but it appears you cannot have one engine automatic, and one engine manual.  If I lost an engine, or one engine was overheating, I would like to only turn on manual adjustment for that single engine, but the way it seems now, I'm forced to do both, which is especially a problem with the water as it's only 0 or 100%.  Am I doing something wrong?  or is this just a flaw in the game?

 

Also I had a question about the hydraulic aileron actuators-  it states in the pilot's notes "The actuators are turned on using a special valve on the left side of the cockpit and require at least 1200 psi in the hydraulic system, so they should be turned off if there is only one engine running.  In the sim, they are turned on and off automatically."   Can anyone tell me where in the cockpit that switch is?  Also when you lower or raise the landing gear, there is a substantial drop in the psi as it's only at about 400psi.  Should the hydraulic aileron actuators still work in this case?  Because when I tested it they do.

 

I only see two fuel gauges, which only reads about 2/3rds of the total fuel.  Is there a way to gauge how much is in the outer wing tanks?  I've seen that there is a signal lamp warning if there is low fuel, but I assume there's no way to read exactly how much is in the outer wing tanks?

 

Is there any gauge for the turbocharger?  I see in the pilot's notes there is a max continuous RPM of 24,000, and max RPM of 26,400 for 15 minutes, but I am unsure of how to find out the turbo's RPM.

 

Thanks all.

 

 

 

 

[JG4_Moltke1871]

I can’t remember where… but I remember a discussion about the oil coolers hand/auto…. Probably there is a notice in the tech chat but in fact it isn’t functional. So far I didn’t test it myself.

Other planes have problems to separate keybinds for single engines, for example the oil cooler steps in the He111 or Bf110. Not sure it’s a crossing problem with the P38. And don’t talk about single engine feathering ?

When I finish holiday I will see myself it’s possible set a separate key bind for each water cooler… does the settings offer it?

[RedeyeStorm]

You can set them separately by first deselecting the engine you do not want to change. Say you want to change the oil system on number one engine you first have to deselect engine number two. The changes then only apply to number one engine. When done deselect number one engine and select number two engine again. That way number one engine isn’t effected by any changes done to number two engine. The throttle workes fine for number one engine as will any control that can be set per engine even with the concerning engine deselected.

 

it is a pain to do so in the heat of battle though. Oh I also noticed that at the start of a mission I always have to select both engines first or it gets wonky (press 1 and 2). Would love it if all engine controls could be set on a per engine base.

[FeuerFliegen]

1 hour ago, RedeyeStorm said:

You can set them separately by first deselecting the engine you do not want to change. Say you want to change the oil system on number one engine you first have to deselect engine number two. The changes then only apply to number one engine. When done deselect number one engine and select number two engine again. That way number one engine isn’t effected by any changes done to number two engine. The throttle workes fine for number one engine as will any control that can be set per engine even with the concerning engine deselected.

 

it is a pain to do so in the heat of battle though. Oh I also noticed that at the start of a mission I always have to select both engines first or it gets wonky (press 1 and 2). Would love it if all engine controls could be set on a per engine base.

 

 

I'm aware of how to select individual engines and make specific adjustments for them; the problem with the P-38 is that even when you do that, when you select manual oil or water radiators, it does it for both engines, regardless of what engine is selected, i.e. both, left, right, none.  From there I can select each engine and set the radiator settings, but the point is that I want to leave one engine in automatic radiator mode, and the other engine in manual mode.  Say one engine is overheating due to damage, or is destroyed but the radiators stay open because it was running hot, I'd like to be able to manually close all the radiators to that engine while still leaving the other engine in automatic mode. This is especially important for the water, because it's either 0% or 100%, with no inbetween.

[Supercharger]

4 hours ago, SCG_FeuerFliegen said:

This is especially important for the water, because it's either 0% or 100%, with no inbetween.

In automatic or manual mode? 

[FeuerFliegen]

9 hours ago, Supercharger said:

In automatic or manual mode? 

 

manual- which is why it's important to be able to leave an engine in automatic mode.

[Supercharger]

23 hours ago, SCG_FeuerFliegen said:

I'm forced to do both, which is especially a problem with the water as it's only 0 or 100%.  Am I doing something wrong?  or is this just a flaw in the game?

That´s correct on the later "J" series aircraft the radiator levers were replaced with toggle switches. And in manual mode it is only possible to select full open or closed. Because it is just an emergency system not designed for normal operation.

On 9/27/2022 at 9:59 AM, SCG_FeuerFliegen said:

Also I had a question about the hydraulic aileron actuators-

This is not implemented in Game.

On 9/27/2022 at 9:59 AM, SCG_FeuerFliegen said:

I only see two fuel gauges, which only reads about 2/3rds of the total fuel.

You have two gauges equipped with two dials each. The outer wing tanks and reserve tanks should be shown in the upper one. The lower one shows the content of the inner main tanks. Looks correct for me.

On 9/27/2022 at 9:59 AM, SCG_FeuerFliegen said:

Is there any gauge for the turbocharger? 

No, because our P-38 has no turbo speed light anymore, that means she is already equipped with an turbo speed governor, so your attention is not required. But in my experience we have no turbo speed limit implemented in Game at all. Because you can run the engines at combat power well above 25.000 feet. Thats why our P-38 is an high altitude beast! The same is true for the intercoolers, they are also not implemented.

 

All the informations i got from the P-38 training manual dated Aug. 45. 

[FeuerFliegen]

3 hours ago, Supercharger said:

That´s correct on the later "J" series aircraft the radiator levers were replaced with toggle switches. And in manual mode it is only possible to select full open or closed. Because it is just an emergency system not designed for normal operation.

 

That wasn't what I was asking; I'm well aware that in manual mode it's only possible to select full open or closed.  I'm talking about having one engine in manual mode, and the other in automatic mode, which in this game, there's no way to only hit one of the two switches; both switches are selected regardless of your engine selection.

 

3 hours ago, Supercharger said:

On 9/27/2022 at 3:59 AM, SCG_FeuerFliegen said:

Also I had a question about the hydraulic aileron actuators-

This is not implemented in Game.

 

You're referring to the switch inside the cockpit?

 

Edit- I just found the switch inside the cockpit and it does turn off and on, but for some reason it seems a little bugged as sometimes it's still on when one engine is off, but other times it does switch off and the hydraulic aileron boosters don't function anymore.  So what exactly are you saying is no implemented in game?

 

3 hours ago, Supercharger said:

You have two gauges equipped with two dials each. The outer wing tanks and reserve tanks should be shown in the upper one. The lower one shows the content of the inner main tanks. Looks correct for me.

 

I didn't say it wasn't correct, the way the developers made it.  I was asking if there's a way to gauge what's in the outer wing tanks, which at this point I'm 98% sure there isn't, as there would need to be a 3rd gauge somewhere.  The upper gauge shows two 60 gallon reserve tanks, and the lower one shows two 93 gallon main fuel tanks.  That's 308 gallons or 1158.33 liters.  The P-38 carries a max of 1575 liters or 416 gallons.  Start your P-38 up with 1160 liters and you will see that both fuel gauges will be maxed out.

 

 

3 hours ago, Supercharger said:

But in my experience we have no turbo speed limit implemented in Game at all.

 

Yes there is; you can easily break the P-47 at high altitudes by overspeeding the turbo.

Edited September 28, 2022 by SCG_FeuerFliegen

[Supercharger]

33 minutes ago, SCG_FeuerFliegen said:

That wasn't what I was asking; I'm well aware that in manual mode it's only possible to select full open or closed.  I'm talking about having one engine in manual mode, and the other in automatic mode, which in this game, there's no way to only hit one of the two switches; both switches are selected regardless of your engine selection.

 

Ok in this case it seems to be an Game design flaw, but i will try it out later by myself.

 

35 minutes ago, SCG_FeuerFliegen said:

You're referring to the switch inside the cockpit?

Yes in the lower right corner is the aileron boost selector, but in Game i never saw any possible selection or any action required. I think an hydraulic system is not present in this simulation, in terms of pressure drops and flow rates.

 

36 minutes ago, SCG_FeuerFliegen said:

That's 308 gallons or 1158.33 liters.  The P-38 carries a max of 1575 liters or 416 gallons.  Start your P-38 up with 1160 liters and you will see that both fuel gauges will be maxed out.

I found this in the manual: "The fuel quantity in the drop tanks and outer wing tanks must be estimated by hourly fuel consumption." That means there is no additional gauge for the outer wing tanks.

39 minutes ago, SCG_FeuerFliegen said:

Yes there is; you can easily break the P-47 at high altitudes by overspeeding the turbo.

My fault, because of my perfect wording?...... i was talking about the P-38 only.

[FeuerFliegen]

9 minutes ago, Supercharger said:

Yes in the lower right corner is the aileron boost selector, but in Game i never saw any possible selection or any action required. I think an hydraulic system is not present in this simulation, in terms of pressure drops and flow rates.

the hydraulic system is present; if you lose or turn off one engine, it drops from around 1400psi to around 1000-1100psi.  whenever you are lowering or raising landing gear, it drops very low; the gauge reads zero.  You'll find the gauge directly below the altimeter.

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

6 hours ago, Supercharger said:

My fault, because of my perfect wording?...... i was talking about the P-38 only.

 

P-38 does have the turbo regulator modelled, otherwise it would just keep spinning at higher and higher RPM for unlimited critical altitude.

Critical altitude for 60" 3000 RPM is around 26500 feet in max speed level flight, which shows above this point the turbo RPM is being held back.

[Supercharger]

19 hours ago, -=PHX=-SuperEtendard said:

Critical altitude for 60" 3000 RPM is around 26500 feet in max speed level flight, which shows above this point the turbo RPM is being held back.

You're correct, it is again my misunderstanding. What I mean is, that the decreasing manifold pressure settings for high altitudes in accordance with the flight manual are not required in game. For example I can run much more than 45"MAP @ 3000 RPM for 15 minutes @ FL300. 

[Supercharger]

On 9/28/2022 at 12:54 PM, SCG_FeuerFliegen said:

That wasn't what I was asking; I'm well aware that in manual mode it's only possible to select full open or closed.  I'm talking about having one engine in manual mode, and the other in automatic mode, which in this game, there's no way to only hit one of the two switches; both switches are selected regardless of your engine selection.

I tried it out today, it is as you said, it is not possible to keep on engine in automatic and the other in manual cooler mode at the same time. I have no solution for this problem..... but in my opinion the P-38 performs well even with one prop feathered.