New Pico Neo4 standalone device: Pancake lenses, 2160x2160 per eye and 429€.

[=LD=Bulldog*]

Hola,

 

I was not too impressed with the G2 and it was returned; however, I suspect the set may have been faulty as the screen would go black occassionally and the visual quality was not great for Il-2, especially Flying Circus over my Track IR. But I am hearing great things about the PICO 4 and am tempted. Do you guys give it the heads up for Il-2? Also, is the Syntech Link Cable 5m a must? And what one: 128 GB or 256 GB?

 

Just want it to work out of the box and visual clarity is a must.

 

Any advice is appreciated.

 

Kind regards,

 

Bulldog

[102nd-YU-cmirko]

6 hours ago, Qcumber said:

I can't get openxr toolkit to run. Set with "per game install" the game starts but crashes on mission load. It appears to be an open composite issue. I have logged a support request but have not had any reply. Have you had any issues running it? 

 

no issue at all, I just updated the openXR toolkit and opencomposite a few days ago as per this post (to the latest versions - you could try with some older releases of opencomposite) ? 

 

 

 

[dburne]

1 hour ago, =IRFC=Bulldog* said:

Hola,

 

I was not too impressed with the G2 and it was returned; however, I suspect the set may have been faulty as the screen would go black occassionally and the visual quality was not great for Il-2, especially Flying Circus over my Track IR. But I am hearing great things about the PICO 4 and am tempted. Do you guys give it the heads up for Il-2? Also, is the Syntech Link Cable 5m a must? And what one: 128 GB or 256 GB?

 

Just want it to work out of the box and visual clarity is a must.

 

Any advice is appreciated.

 

Kind regards,

 

Bulldog

 

Technically the visual quality in the Reverb G2 should have been quite good. I can not comment on the Pico unit though.

[Guest]

11 hours ago, =IRFC=Bulldog* said:

Hola,

 

I was not too impressed with the G2 and it was returned; however, I suspect the set may have been faulty as the screen would go black occassionally and the visual quality was not great for Il-2, especially Flying Circus over my Track IR. But I am hearing great things about the PICO 4 and am tempted. Do you guys give it the heads up for Il-2? Also, is the Syntech Link Cable 5m a must? And what one: 128 GB or 256 GB?

 

Just want it to work out of the box and visual clarity is a must.

 

Any advice is appreciated.

 

Kind regards,

 

Bulldog

What are your PC specs?

[Crocogator]

15 hours ago, =IRFC=Bulldog* said:

Do you guys give it the heads up for Il-2? Also, is the Syntech Link Cable 5m a must? And what one: 128 GB or 256 GB?

I do compared to my old lenovo explorer, but compared to the G2 it is a trickier sell. They both perform well, but you have to be ready to ask  yourself what sounds better:

Pico / G2:

much wider excellent visual clarity / pinprick perfect clarity?

swapping batteries / endless power?

pico software requiring virtual desktop to be installed / windows software requiring openXR to be installed?

always needing controllers on startup / not needing controllers?

 

There are some obvious benefits to the pico: better comfort, lower heat, nicer controls for other games, you can set up 'double tap' to use the passthrough camera and then you can see the keyboard, get up for a drink, etc, while wearing the goofy wireless goggles.

 

I actually do not recommend getting a cable, but that brings me to the biggest issue, one that is discussed in this thread:

 

Do you have a very fast 5g + router near your rig? If you do not, the wireless connection will be choppy or low quality. Note the wired connection on the Pico4 can't compare to the G2.

Once you commit to having a wireless Pico connection, you really need a few batteries to swap in and out to prolong the headset main battery life. This is also annoying but might be better than using a heavy cable, a cable that usually breaks after a long while.

 

Finally, 128 gb is good, the only reason you'd need more is if you load up your headset with games, files, apps.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Crocogator said:

I do compared to my old lenovo explorer, but compared to the G2 it is a trickier sell. They both perform well, but you have to be ready to ask  yourself what sounds better:

Pico / G2:

much wider excellent visual clarity / pinprick perfect clarity?

swapping batteries / endless power?

pico software requiring virtual desktop to be installed / windows software requiring openXR to be installed?

always needing controllers on startup / not needing controllers?

 

There are some obvious benefits to the pico: better comfort, lower heat, nicer controls for other games, you can set up 'double tap' to use the passthrough camera and then you can see the keyboard, get up for a drink, etc, while wearing the goofy wireless goggles.

 

I actually do not recommend getting a cable, but that brings me to the biggest issue, one that is discussed in this thread:

 

Do you have a very fast 5g + router near your rig? If you do not, the wireless connection will be choppy or low quality. Note the wired connection on the Pico4 can't compare to the G2.

Once you commit to having a wireless Pico connection, you really need a few batteries to swap in and out to prolong the headset main battery life. This is also annoying but might be better than using a heavy cable, a cable that usually breaks after a long while.

 

Finally, 128 gb is good, the only reason you'd need more is if you load up your headset with games, files, apps.

I find the image quality and smoothness on the Pico4 to be somewhat superior to that of the G2, on both my 3080ti and 4090, with powered cable connection to my router. The software is also head & shoulders better than the old G2 shite (never ending grief with that whole WMR/SteamVR mashup).

[=LD=Bulldog*]

6 hours ago, Hetzer-JG51 said:

What are your PC specs?

Here you go:

 

AMD Ryzen 9 7900x (4.7Ghz, 12 Core)
ASUS X670-P Wi-fi Motherboard
32GB Corsair DDR5 6000Mhz Memory
2 x 2TB WD SN850X NVMe SSD Drive (7300Mb/s)
Noctua NH-D15 Cooler Midi Tower Case
Corsair RM1000e 1000w 80+ Gold Modular PSU
ASUS Radeon 7900XT

The above spec was slightly altered and from the engineer:

"The board in your machine we upgraded, it is a £300-400 motherboard so all the interfaces are the latest and fastest. Any issues that may occur with the VR most definitely won't be because the parts in your PC are not adequate, if anything it will be the cable especially one from Amazon."

2 hours ago, Crocogator said:

I do compared to my old lenovo explorer, but compared to the G2 it is a trickier sell. They both perform well, but you have to be ready to ask  yourself what sounds better:

Pico / G2:

much wider excellent visual clarity / pinprick perfect clarity?

swapping batteries / endless power?

pico software requiring virtual desktop to be installed / windows software requiring openXR to be installed?

always needing controllers on startup / not needing controllers?

 

There are some obvious benefits to the pico: better comfort, lower heat, nicer controls for other games, you can set up 'double tap' to use the passthrough camera and then you can see the keyboard, get up for a drink, etc, while wearing the goofy wireless goggles.

 

I actually do not recommend getting a cable, but that brings me to the biggest issue, one that is discussed in this thread:

 

Do you have a very fast 5g + router near your rig? If you do not, the wireless connection will be choppy or low quality. Note the wired connection on the Pico4 can't compare to the G2.

Once you commit to having a wireless Pico connection, you really need a few batteries to swap in and out to prolong the headset main battery life. This is also annoying but might be better than using a heavy cable, a cable that usually breaks after a long while.

 

Finally, 128 gb is good, the only reason you'd need more is if you load up your headset with games, files, apps.

This is most helpful and thank you. My router, which is next to the new PC is the Virgin Hub 5: https://www.virginmedia.com/broadband/existing-customer-deals/hub

 

So, no cable and use wireless? Once again, many thanks for your help, which is very much appreciated.

 

Bulldog

And another note:

 

"With the exception of the Graphics card your PC is a higher spec. The graphics card is also very high spec so shouldn't be a problem, also the GPU is the one your friends recommended so will be fine."

[Guest]

I found the limit of wifi on my setup, I think it was the Kuban map that tipped it over. But since getting the cable-to-router option going I've had no more issues, not even on the Normandy map.

[=LD=Bulldog*]

So, the cable goes from the headset to the router and not the PC USB 3.0?

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, =IRFC=Bulldog* said:

So, the cable goes from the headset to the router and not the PC USB 3.0?

Yes, it's the only way if using VD (Virtual Desktop). Pico's own Streaming Assistant allows a USB connection but it's a piece of shit software that doesn't allow the headset's resolution to be set higher than its own "Ultra" setting and that's not enough to allow the game's IQ to look like anything other than a bowl of crap.

Find the UK/US equivalents of these and use a mains phone-charger to power the adapter, then you can forget about battery worries and the game will run smooth as silk (other hardware allowing of course).

Amazon.co.jp: RoiCiel（ディアルズシーリズ）USB-C to USB-C ケーブルQuest Linkケーブル Oculus Quest 2 LinkケーブルPC接続用PD60W/5Gbps C- C VR Linkケーブ 高速データ転送 &充電コード Oculus Quest 2 / Quest 1 / Rift S/VRヘッドセット用 (6m) : Computers

Amazon.co.jp: Lan Cable, 4.9 ft (1.5 m), CAT8, SWECENT Wired LAN Cable, Category 8 Ethernet Cable, 40 Gbps, 2000 MHz, SFTP, RJ45, Ultra Fast LAN Cable, Gold Plated Connector, Double Shield, Prevents Claw Breakage, ADSL Line, Optical Line, Wired Run Cable, Network Cable, Wi-fi Cable, PC, Modem, Router, Laptop, Printer, PoE, PS3, PS4, PS5, Xbox and More - Black : Computers

Amazon.co.jp: USB C Hub, 5 in 1, Lemorele Wired LAN 1000 Mbps, 100WPD Charging, HDMI Converter Hub, USB 3.0 x 2, 4K@30Hz, HDMI, 4K Resolution, High Speed Data Transmission, RJ45, MacBook Pro 2019, iPad Pro 2020, XPS13ChromeBook and More USBC Multi-Port Adapter : Computers

 

Sorry, one of these as well:

Amazon.co.jp: Poyiccot USB Type C Extension Adapter Female to Female USB C Relay Adapter [40Gbps High Speed Transfer PD 100W/5A Fast Charging 8K@60Hz Video Output] Type C Extension Connector Support USB 4.0 Type C Cable thunderbolt 4/Thunderbolt 3/USB 3.2 Port, 2 Pcs : Computers

Edited April 26, 2023 by Hetzer-JG51

[=LD=Bulldog*]

Thank you, sir!

[=LD=Bulldog*]

Like this: 

 

[Koziolek]

On 4/26/2023 at 11:18 AM, Hetzer-JG51 said:

Yes, it's the only way if using VD (Virtual Desktop).

well, that's not exactly true.

I use the ethernet method and a tether method via USB cable and 3rd party app. Both work well but with ethernet adapter the charging is much better as I have it connected to 20W charger and it actually chatges the battery while playing. Charging from USB port is slower and it only slows the battery discharge and do not stop it completely

[Qcumber]

9 hours ago, Koziolek said:

Both work well but with ethernet adapter the charging is much better as I have it connected to 20W charger and it actually chatges the battery while playing.

VD only officially supports WiFi connection to the headset. I have tried the ethernet method and it was a bit buggy for me. In terms of charging I just attach the supplied usb cable and charger. It keeps the headset fully charged whilst playing using WiFi. It works very well. 

[Qcumber]

On 4/28/2023 at 1:21 PM, Koziolek said:

I use the ethernet method and a tether method via USB cable

I have given this another go and it appears more stable with ethernet than WiFi (constant 1200 mbs). The network latency is down to about 3 ms (vs about 7-8 ms for WiFi) but my decoding latency has jumped to 12-15 ms (from 5-7 ms). The overall latency has gone up from about 55 to 70+ I'm not sure if VD is measuring this correctly. Any advice would be appreciated. 

Edited April 30, 2023 by Qcumber

[Guest]

11 hours ago, Qcumber said:

I have given this another go and it appears more stable with ethernet than WiFi (constant 1200 mbs). The network latency is down to about 3 ms (vs about 7-8 ms for WiFi) but my deciding latency has jumped to 12-15 ms (from 5-7 ms). The overall latency has gone up from about 55 to 70+ I'm not sure if VD is measuring this correctly. Any advice would be appreciated. 

I had the VR tool thingy (FpsVR) running while I was testing and saw latency numbers that were a little 'worse' than the ideal I'd seen in videos but, as usual with me, I go with how the game actually runs. No stutters, micro-freezes, ghosting or other irritating anomalies. Numbers are for back-tracking an actual issue, not for forward-tracking non-issues. Lol.
So how is your game actually running and what's your hardware spec?

Edited April 30, 2023 by Hetzer-JG51

[Qcumber]

8 hours ago, Hetzer-JG51 said:

So how is your game actually running and what's your hardware spec?

I am using a 5600x and rx 6700 with a mild OC. 64 Gb 3200 RAM. 

 

I have tested a range of settings but the one that runs and looks the best is using openxr toolkit to override the resolution to 2800x2800 then use FSR at about 120%. This runs at about 50-65 FPS with an overall frame time of about 55ms. I then use VD SSW for 45/90 fps and use open xr toolkit to cap frame rate at 55. This gives me sharp images, smooth with little ghosting. The difficult one for me is how to balance sharpening. A combination of VD (30%) and openxr toolkit (40-50%) is about right but needs tweaking depending on the map and weather conditions.