BoN, the Damage Model, and the P-47 are just awesome.

[Guest deleted@83466]

Thanks [CPT]Obvious.

 

sorry, just razzing.  Couldn’t resist.

[RyanR]

This one went off the rails quick.

 

I'm hearing the same old stuff that people have been saying for over 25 years (I can't believe I'm that old...) about the P-47 in multi-player environments. Nothing new here.

 

-Ryan

[BlitzPig_EL]

Players seem to forget that in real life the P47 started it's career escorting bombers at 20,000+ feet, it's designed environment.  Only it's range kept it from continuing that role.  Once it became based in Europe after the invasion is was moved to the ground attack role and operated in an environment where the Allies had achieved overall air superiority so encounters with enemy fighters were far less common than the circumstances we have in online simulation.  If Luftwaffe fighters were portrayed in the sim in the numbers, and with the pilot skill deficit that was prevalent in the late war period, the P47 would be a much more enjoyable choice.

[Airborne506]

Footage of me missing my target on the run in 

 

Spoiler

 

more footage of me missing and running into the trees after

 

Spoiler

 

 

Today I learned that a plane is bad in a given role based on MP statistics - truly eye opening. Aside from planes that are purely built for ground attack it’s just as good as any other fighter with bombs strapped to it.

[[CPT]Crunch]

You guys are comparing it with reality, never once did I complain about performance, all I ever pointed out is it's a supreme turd in game in a competitive environment.  Compare it to its rival in same class from the opposite side, the Fw-190, not even any wiggle room, it sweeps this thing to the curb.  But sure you can rig it up, apply perfume, and customize your war campaigns so it doesn't stink so bad as many suggested, your free to go for it.  But it'll still never be anything more than a perfumed pig in multiplayer.

[BladeMeister]

So I am just curious Captn, what is your end goal here because it is obvious you don't like the P47 in GB? Is it simply to have the OP say he was wrong and you are right? Or do you expect every person that reads this thread to agree with your assessment of the P47 performance in MP? Whatever your expectation is, I doubt you will achieve that to your satisfaction. Life's too short. Move on, let the OP have his day if he likes the Jug.

 

S!Blade<><

 

[[CPT]Crunch]

Nope, I already said it once, don't sell parts of this game with false advertising, you don't want pissed off customers.

[AEthelraedUnraed]

4 minutes ago, [CPT]Crunch said:

Nope, I already said it once, don't sell parts of this game with false advertising, you don't want pissed off customers.

Huh? Some guy likes the P-47, as do I. I miss any connection to this false advertising you speak of.

[MisterSmith]

Make your case with facts and (maybe) even feelings but don’t accuse devs of lying/false advertising. That crosses the line and violates forum rules.

[Lusekofte]

Tested it, it still a brick down low. In my opinion it got a much better DM now

[oc2209]

3 hours ago, [CPT]Crunch said:

You guys are comparing it with reality, never once did I complain about performance, all I ever pointed out is it's a supreme turd in game in a competitive environment.  Compare it to its rival in same class from the opposite side, the Fw-190, not even any wiggle room, it sweeps this thing to the curb.  But sure you can rig it up, apply perfume, and customize your war campaigns so it doesn't stink so bad as many suggested, your free to go for it.  But it'll still never be anything more than a perfumed pig in multiplayer.

 

You don't like a plane's handling and performance? Fine, that's your right.

 

Problem is when you make absurd claims like the plane can't pull out of a shallow dive without crashing, and it somehow inherently causes bombs to miss.

 

That's when you cross the line from "I don't like this plane, because..." to "I'm making crap up just to piss people off because I'm bored."

[BraveSirRobin]

4 hours ago, [CPT]Crunch said:

You guys are comparing it with reality, never once did I complain about performance, all I ever pointed out is it's a supreme turd in game in a competitive environment.  

 

No one is doing anything of the sort.  We're just pointing out that the statistics that you used to "prove" that it's a turd are extremely flawed.  Useless, actually.

[Lusekofte]

In my admittably hasty DM testing I struggle to really be able to check it.

Since it very easily burst into flames.

Now I am not saying it is not realistic. 

But yet to see the engine stop as before

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

It's well known the p47 has issues with its lift coefficient, stall characteristics, and engine limits (like many other American planes), but it will likely be looked into over time as there are many threads with real data provided by Yak Panther and others.

[oFlyingDutchman]

Before the update, after getting shot twice the p47 would be dead in the water
It amazes me how good it is now after the damage model update 

Edited September 27, 2022 by oFlyingDutchman

[catchthefoxes]

i really hope they give us a late war P-47 sometime in the future

[Legioneod]

It would be cool to have a later war P-47 but I really just want them to fix or at least look at some of the issues that are present with the current FM.

 

It would be really cool to have a P47M though.

[RyanR]

On 9/25/2022 at 11:21 AM, [CPT]Crunch said:

You guys are comparing it with reality, never once did I complain about performance, all I ever pointed out is it's a supreme turd in game in a competitive environment.  Compare it to its rival in same class from the opposite side, the Fw-190, not even any wiggle room, it sweeps this thing to the curb.  But sure you can rig it up, apply perfume, and customize your war campaigns so it doesn't stink so bad as many suggested, your free to go for it.  But it'll still never be anything more than a perfumed pig in multiplayer.

 

 

You're kidding. 190A's are free lunch in either P-47 we have in-game. When I'm good-n-practised, I was doing 8 190A-8's on 1 in the QMB (unlimited ammo, was the concession). It's all energy tactics, and setting convergence to 300M since the fifty-cals hit harder.

 

The P-47 never worked well with the dynamics of multi-player in the history of the internet. Not sure why you're surprised. You're not bringing anything new here.

 

-Ryan 

 

[BraveSirRobin]

48 minutes ago, RyanR said:

 

 

You're kidding. 190A's are free lunch in either P-47 we have in-game. When I'm good-n-practised, I was doing 8 190A-8's on 1 in the QMB (unlimited ammo, was the concession). It's all energy tactics, and setting convergence to 300M since the fifty-cals hit harder.

 

The P-47 never worked well with the dynamics of multi-player in the history of the internet. Not sure why you're surprised. You're not bringing anything new here.

 

-Ryan 

 

He talking about human pilots.  AI 190s are free lunch for just about anything.

[354thFG_Panda_]

10 hours ago, Legioneod said:

It would be cool to have a later war P-47 but I really just want them to fix or at least look at some of the issues that are present with the current FM.

 

It would be really cool to have a P47M though.

P47M would be a beast. Hope it's FM gets looked at soon. Would also like to see p47C for mid war missions.

[Supercharger]

On 9/27/2022 at 12:07 AM, Legioneod said:

It would be cool to have a later war P-47 but I really just want them to fix or at least look at some of the issues that are present with the current FM.

Hopefully my wishes come true and on some wonderful day they will improve the oil cooler shutter function in terms of mass air flow simulation. As well as the missing thermostatic valve which should prevent the oil from temperatures below 40°C. 

[RyanR]

1 hour ago, Supercharger said:

Hopefully my wishes come true and on some wonderful day they will improve the oil cooler shutter function in terms of mass air flow simulation. As well as the missing thermostatic valve which should prevent the oil from temperatures below 40°C. 

 

 

Interesting you mention this. I noticed both problems. It's hard to bleed the heat down low.... and you can't keep it hot enough up high.

 

-Ryan