Battle for France / Poland ? possible ?

[ArchaicWarrior]

What's the chance for a Battle for France or Poland in IL 2 ?  Plenty of unique aircraft to fly, not the same old boring ones .. ?

 

AW.

[kraut1]

Hi,

Yes, would be nice, here what is already possible from my point of view with the current available maps / planes:

 

Currently I am flying 1940 BoF missions with a modified version of Vander's EMGv66:

Maps suitable for Battle of France:

Rheinland Map:

10.05.1940 - ca. 18.05.1940 for Fall Gelb (Case Yellow) German attack in northern Belgium and the Netherlands (currently 3 of the EMG Frontlines are suitable for this campaign)

 

Normandie Map:

ca. 18.05.1940 - ca. 03.06.1940 Fall Gelb German advance to the coast near Abbeville and battle of Calais / Dunkirk; French counter attack Battle of Abbeville.

In my EMG I have added 1 front line suitable for this.)

 

ca. 04.06.1940 - ca. 22.06.1940 Fall Red (Case Red) German Attack on the "Weygand Line" and advance to South West to Dieppe, Le Havre, Caen, Cherbourg

(In my EMG I have added only 1 new front line near Dieppe, and for Caen in EMG already 1 front line existing, front lines for the other cities to be created in future)

Currently available planes:

(in general for most of these planes 1940 skins are already available)

 

Historical correct:

A20 with available custom french skin, according french Wikipedia first real combat sortie at 22.May 1940

 

Historical semi correct very similar:

BF109-E7 to be used as E3:

performance similar, to be flown with manual propeller pitch control and manual cooler control,

Difference: MG-FFM with mine shells was not available, real propeller spinner was not not round.

to be used without bomb loads, without armoured wind screen, with cut head rest

BF110-E to be used as C1 or C4:

performance similar, to be flown with manual propeller pitch control and manual cooler control,

Difference: MG-FFM with mine shells was not available,

to be used without bomb loads.

HE111-H6: similar to 1940 versions, to be used without 20mm MG-FF

Hawker Hurricane to be used as Hurricane 1:

general similar plane, a bit to fast but on the other hand in some cases in May was already 100 octane fuel available.

to be used without bomb loads and with 8 MG armament, no cannons.

 

Historical semi correct with major differences:

Ju87-D  to be used as Ju87-B2:

performance similar, historical correct bomb loads available, 2 forward firing MG15 correct, difference: rear gunner with MG81 instead of MG15.

to be used with Siren, 1x500kg; 1x250kg +4x 70kg

Major differences: much smaller cooler and major difference in canopy shape.

 

Ju88-A4 to be used as Ju88-A1:

major Difference in armament (MG81 instead of MG15) and canopy shape.

 

Spitfire VB to be used for Ia:

(for BoF only to be used for Battle of Dunkirk / Operation Dynamo)

general appearence similar and official early RAF available.

unrealistic: much to fast and cannon armament

(I think I will use it in EMG only as escort for Hurricanes in small numbers with low AI setting (in EMG Ailevel 1 and 2)

 

Fake Planes:

(because flying Battle of France without french fighters is boring I use similar as with IL2 1946 DGEN)

Lagg3 to be used as Dewoitine D520:

approx. similar appearence and performance, both planes with 20mm cannon

French skin for Lagg3 already available:

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/62785-beebops-hack-shack/?do=findComment&comment=977719

 

and additionally I use:

IL2 1943 model to be used as Fairey Battle:

similar plane type single engine ground attack plane / light bomber with rear gunner.

(during my tests I found out that the not historically correct mine shells of the BF109-E / BF110-E compensate the heavy armour and the heavier defensive armament of the IL2)

british skin for IL2  already available:

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/62785-beebops-hack-shack/?do=findComment&comment=961743

(sadly the creator of these 2 skins Beebop has passed away in june)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 19, 2022 by kraut1
error corrected

[ArchaicWarrior]

Yes, it's already half done !  ?  Love to see some / more flyable french planes. A flyable Battle would be an exercise in survival. Flyable Hampden would also be a great experience.  The defiant is already in CLOD so making that flyable would be a massive boost in a totally different form of fighting.

 

D520 is already in CLOD too, that could be ported over and revamped.

 

Yes, very sad so many skilled contributors have passed.

[Nickkyboy99]

I would love to see France 1940 or Poland (Idk which year you're referring to; 1939 or 1944 but I'm fine with either one)

 

I don't think a Battle of France module is possible. If I'm not mistaken, I believe IL-2: CloD and IL-2: GB signed an agreement stating that the Great Battles Series cannot cover both early war Western Front and North Africa. CloD already covers the Battle of Britain which includes several Battle of France scenarios featuring the French D.520.

 

Poland 1939 on the other hand, as much as I would love to see it, I can't really see it happening because of Poland's outdated plane arsenal. Apart from the PZL.37 Łoś (Poland's only modern plane in 1939), the PZL P.7/11, and Karaś were severely outdated. Sure, there were a number of large air battles that occurred over Poland at the time with many Polish aerial victories, but in IL-2, it'll be completely one sided.

 

However, Poland 1944 does have a good chance of happening. It'll finally introduce late war Soviet planes which many people have been asking for.

[ArchaicWarrior]

18 hours ago, Nickkyboy99 said:

I would love to see France 1940 or Poland (Idk which year you're referring to; 1939 or 1944 but I'm fine with either one)

 

I don't think a Battle of France module is possible. If I'm not mistaken, I believe IL-2: CloD and IL-2: GB signed an agreement stating that the Great Battles Series cannot cover both early war Western Front and North Africa. CloD already covers the Battle of Britain which includes several Battle of France scenarios featuring the French D.520.

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I suppose the CLOD engine is best suited for early war aircraft ?? So .. We'll just have to wait 30 years for the next scenario .. LOL  I'm 60 , I cannot wait that long ..

[kraut1]

3 hours ago, ArchaicWarrior said:

 

I suppose the CLOD engine is best suited for early war aircraft ?? So .. We'll just have to wait 30 years for the next scenario .. LOL  I'm 60 , I cannot wait that long ..

Hi,

In respect of the engine GB is suitable too for 1939/40.

In GB the Ju52, I16, U-2 VS, BF109-E7 are from this years. And many other planes are from 1941.

I agree with you that maybe such an scenario will never be released.

But we have already 2 maps that cover some parts of the Netherlands, Belgium and northern France.

And if it would be accetable for you to make some compromises in respect of historical accuracy you just could try out Vanders EMG.

I will post my settings that I use for 1940 missions. See my first answer above.

I have already flown some BF109 missions with erarly 1940 style  manual propeller pitch control against Hurricanes and I liked it.

Best Regards

 

[kraut1]

currently I am testing these 1940 armament modifications:

UPDATED: EMG 1940 Mod:

 

Edited October 21, 2022 by kraut1
UPDATED 21.10.2022