differences in pilot strength and physiology (G loading resistance)

[RossMarBow]

From what I can understand the tilted seat reasoning is not a good reason because 

Firstly with this image is fails to take into account the parachute or the head cushion 

but most importantly the game does not take into consideration the pilots head position
nor does the pilots head become locked to the headrest as would happen during a high G pull
the red circles indicate where a pilots head can be while pulling over 10G

Therefore all pilots should have the same G loading resistance 

 

 

Regarding pilot strength
All pilots should have the same strength 
And larger cockpits would and should enable greater leveraging 
A small cock pit such as a 190 or 109 has limited room for the pilot to crank the stick 
while a cockpit such as a p-47 would allow the pilot space to use both legs as leverage even while rolling

I would think the orientation of the pedals would be significant too as pulling back hard is going to result in a leg work out
And if you can't brace you feet properly you won't be able to pull hard
On the other hand if you are already pulling big G you won't need to brace with your legs, elbows, elbows, thighs so much

 

 

[AEthelraedUnraed]

2 hours ago, RossMarBow said:

but most importantly the game does not take into consideration the pilots head position

nor does the pilots head become locked to the headrest as would happen during a high G pull

Where is your source for this?

[purK]

In reality G tolerance depends a lot more on the pilot himself or if he's wearing a G suit, compared to a 5 degree difference in the angle of his seat.

IMO in a game like this, all pilots should have equal tolerance and let pilot skill be the deciding factor in a fight. ?‍♂️

[JG27*PapaFly]

5 hours ago, RossMarBow said:

the red circles indicate where a pilots head can be while pulling over 10G

So they end up with their heads up their ass at 10 g? Hmmmm.....

 

Jokes aside, the positive effect that seat inclination has on g tolerance comes from the fact that it decreases the vertical distance between heart and brain ("vertical" meaning along the direction of acceleration i.e. g force). With inclination of up to 30 degrees, this decrease is negligible though.

 

Regarding leverage: with both feet planted on the rudder peddals and firmly strapped in their seats, pilots have great leverage to pull Gs . They only have to deflect the stick by a few centimeters.

[-332FG-SGTSAUSAGE138]

yea German G-tolerance is way too high imo and should definitely be reduced. 

[69th_Mobile_BBQ]

25 minutes ago, -332FG-SGTSAUSAGE138 said:

yea German G-tolerance is way too high imo and should definitely be reduced. 

 

IMO, it's more about American pilot physiology being treated like pizza, soda, Twinkies(tm), Doritos(tm) were created in 1880 and the main source of nutrition for vast swathes of the populace by 1910 - around about the time the oldest of pilot recruits would have been born.

[-332FG-SGTSAUSAGE138]

[RossMarBow]

On 9/2/2022 at 11:54 PM, AEthelraedUnraed said:

Where is your source for this?

Have you played the game?

21 hours ago, JG27_PapaFly said:

So they end up with their heads up their ass at 10 g? Hmmmm.....

 

Jokes aside, the positive effect that seat inclination has on g tolerance comes from the fact that it decreases the vertical distance between heart and brain ("vertical" meaning along the direction of acceleration i.e. g force). With inclination of up to 30 degrees, this decrease is negligible though.

 

Regarding leverage: with both feet planted on the rudder peddals and firmly strapped in their seats, pilots have great leverage to pull Gs . They only have to deflect the stick by a few centimeters.

Bruh you know they buffed 109 pilot strength recently right?
Which has massively increases their high speed pull ability 
 

[AEthelraedUnraed]

5 minutes ago, RossMarBow said:

Have you played the game?

I have.

 

I haven't seen their source code which would enable me to make such claims though. Have you?

[JG27*PapaFly]

7 hours ago, RossMarBow said:

Bruh you know they buffed 109 pilot strength recently right?
Which has massively increases their high speed pull ability 

And rightly so. I'm sure this decision was backed by sound evidence. However, developers did not touch Bf109 pilot g tolerance, which this thread is about.

 

Apart from planes equipped with g suits, I've never seen even the slightest hint towards differences in g tolerance between planes or "sides". Being a FW190 jock, I was shocked at how easily I blacked out when I started to explore the LA5FN. The reason was simple: my muscle memory was based on the 190 series, where I usually have 4g available at 400 kph. The LA can give me around 6 g at that speed, which drains stamina really fast. Stamina management is all about speed control.

[LukeFF]

9 hours ago, RossMarBow said:

Bruh you know they buffed 109 pilot strength recently right?
Which has massively increases their high speed pull ability 

 

Huh, what? Where in the update notes did you see this?

[AEthelraedUnraed]

59 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

Huh, what? Where in the update notes did you see this?

I think he's miscomprehending the 4.703 update notes: "19. On all Bf-109 aircraft (except for the E-7) the effectiveness of the ailerons at high speeds has been changed (increased)". Which of course has nothing to do with pilot strength, nor with the elevators.

 

Anyhow, after a multitude of discussions about the pilot physiology system that were backed up with solid scientific evidence (including quite a number of journal papers) and that resulted in several tweaks to this system, I tend to have more faith in the current IL2 system than in a guy who's misreading update notes, makes false claims based on that, makes additional unsourced claims about the pilot physiology source code, and backs all of that up with hand-drawn circles at locations of which it isn't quite clear how those were determined.

Edited September 3, 2022 by AEthelraedUnraed

[MisterSmith]

This is all supposition/misinformation without any documentation and being locked as a result.