Battle Of France Suggestion

[SharkWolf2022]

Originally, this post was just going to be a hodgepodge collection of aircraft I would like to see. However, as I continued to work on it I realized that most of my desires could be easily answered by a few additions to the Battle Of X series. 

 

I chose the Battle of France for a few key reasons-

* Its an Early War Battle- something we havent gotten much of in the series as of yet.
* Potential for Unique Axis Aircraft- Not variants of existing aircraft but entirely new aircraft or aircraft whose variants are sufficiently different than those already in game to have a completely different feel about them. Outside of Italy (I think we can easily get two Italian Expansions and not run out of Unique Italian Aircraft to add- especially if they do a Early War Campaign and a Later War Campaign) the Germans dont have a lot of Single Engine fighters not covered. They have a few unique aircraft left even counting out those I suggest below- Do217 for instance, but were starting to run out of new aircraft for Late war other than things such as the Salamander and Komet.
* Unrepresented period- The Battle for France is a very rare theatre in World War II simulators which is a shame. Contrary to popular belief the French did have quite a few modern aircraft designs- they just weren't capable of producing enough to match the massive German Airforce and many of their airgroups still relied on the older model of aircraft.

 

Some people may wonder why I chose to add mostly French Aircraft and skip the British- the reasoning for this is simple- as I do not foresee us getting any extensions set around the African Theatre I see this as the one and only chance to getting French Aircraft outside of collectors aircraft so I chose to add as many as possible.

 

Allies

Dewoitine 520:

The most modern French fighter of the Battle of France. Although it may not be as fast as a BF109 it is still a highly capable aircraft and would, in my mind, be a fantastic addition to the game.

 

Bloch MB. 150/151:

Design of the MB.150 began at the same time as the Dewoitine 520 and was another example of the modern French Fighter force in the Battle of France. The MB.150 is slightly slower than the 520 but is also better armed with either Two of the HS404 20mm cannons with Two Machine Guns or an alternative loadout of just Four Machine Guns. The average speed was around 30kph slower than the DW520 but I imagine this is because of the increased armament and ammo weight.

 

Potez 630:

An interesting multirole aircraft that was deployed in the Battle Of France. The Potez 630 would make an excellent counterpart to the BF110 deployed by the Germans. Carrying up to two 20mm cannons, four machine guns and up to 110IBs in bombs it would make an excellent light ground attack aircraft. Their slowish speed of around 440kph would make it difficult for them to intercept and keep up with the likes of the Dornier 17 however and they would obviously be heavily outmatched by single engine fighters so I question how useful this design would be outside of Ground Attack. That being said, Ground Attack potential was the whole reason I added this aircraft to the French Roster so I feel like the inability to deal with enemy fighters would not be a reason to remove it from the list. In addition, the design has a single Machine Gun in a flexible mounting on the rear cockpit that could serve a limited form of defense against other aircraft.

 

Liore-et-Oliver Leo 451:

One of the few Allied bomber designs who saw success during the battle of France the Leo was also one of the most modern on my French Lineup with its design dating back to 1938 at which time it was considered one of the best Medium Bomber designs in the world. Over sixty of these aircraft were still being used by the wars end in '45 with the last one being retired in 1957. Post-War some were even refitted as a fast- reconnaissance  aircraft with newer, more powerful engines. Funnily enough, this is actually the fastest aircraft in the French Lineup I provided capable of reaching speeds of 495kph. In addition, the aircraft carried a  20mm Hispano 404 cannon in a turret for defense, as well as a single retractable machine gun, and a final fixed machine gun in the nose. It has a maximum payload of around 3.5k IBs of bombs in its internal storage bay and wing roots. Altogether, this seems like a faster, better defended counterpart to the Dornier 17 which can also carry a higher bomb load.

The one knock against this aircraft (as with MOST of the French aircraft on this list) is that they were produced in extremely few numbers compared to the vast quantities of German aircraft produced. The Leo 451, for instance, had only around five hundred produced. I can understand many people not wanting this plane for that reason but I think it would be an amazing plane to add because of what it could bring to the table for the French Lineup.

 

Collectors-

Could be a British design used in the Battle of France such as the Blenheim or Fairey Battle? The Fairey Battle equipped the most British Squadrons in the battle (8) with the Blenheim coming in second at 5 squadrons with the exception of the Lysander Biplane used for recon.

 

Axis:

BF 109 E3:

Another 109. Although they are my favorite aircraft of World War II I understand some people may be a bit wary after having received so many of them. The main problem here is that there's not really a whole lot of alternatives for Germany in the timeframe of the Battle Of France unless you look at older models of aircraft. One potential change is to swap the E3 model for the E1 model- I am not sure if the E1 model was still in use at this time but the armament of only 4 Machine Guns would certainly be a change for 109 pilots and perhaps even the playing field with the French Fighters.

 

He111H-3 OR Dornier Do17Z

Production of the H3 model of the Heinkel began in October of '39- I am not sure how many of these would have been available by the time of the battle of France so it may be possible to swap out the H3 model for either the H1 or H2.

Another potential swap for the He111H is the Dornier Do17. The addition of a Dornier instead of a Heinkel would, again, provide the Axis with a new aircraft design instead of a variant of an aircraft already included in the game. Similar to the Ju88 the Do17Z was designed primarily as a fast-bomber- by the battle of Britain however, this design was starting to show its age and newer and more modern British Fighter designs were able to keep up with it. This, in addition to its slim fuselage which limited its payload, made it a rather poor bomber. In the Battle of France however, this aircraft would mostly be up against slower French Fighters and would still be able to shine in its intended role as a fast tactical bomber. I think this would be an excellent addition for the game as a whole as it would provide a entirely new aircraft.

 

BF110C:

An earlier model of the BF110. Not much to say about this honestly.

 

HS123:

May seem like a bit of an odd choice but as we already have the Ju87 in game I thought you guys might want something a bit different. The HS123 was generally viewd as obsolete but its success as a close air support aircraft in Poland led it to be used throughout the Western and Eastern Front until 1944 when it was finally and fully replaced by Ju87s. The wide amount of theatres they were used in also means this plane could, technically, be added for the majority of campaigns already released such as the Battles of Stalingrad and Moscow.

 

? Collectors-

I apologize if this was too long of a post. I would really like to see an early war scenario and, as we do not have the French in game yet, I think this would be an excellent scenario to add especially as France is not often depicted in simulators such as this and how many unique machines the French have. On the other side of the coin, I realize many people may be a bit tired of getting largely the same aircraft over and over again for Germany so I tried my best to provide potentially new and unique aircraft where I could even if they are not as modern or perform as well as the aircraft I replaced.

Please tell me what you think of my suggestions in the comments below as well as if you would prefer better performing variants of existing aircraft or new aircraft that may not perform as well as the variants they replaced.

 

When I was making this list my main sources were:

[Military Factory - Global Defense Reference](https://www.militaryfactory.com/) for the majority of the French aircraft.

 

[Weapons and Warfare | History and Hardware of Warfare](https://weaponsandwarfare.com/) for some of the French and German aircraft

 

[Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page) mostly to attempt to find the dates variants of aircraft entered service

 

Spoiler

 

Thank you for taking the time to read my post!

Edited August 26, 2022 by SharkWolf2022
Reformating

[BOO]

Much of this is represented in IL2 Blitz. I doubt GB will be going there.

[SharkWolf2022]

I don't see anything else they can add to the series though other than one-two final eastern front expansion. 

 

Pacific Theatre is a no go obviously.

Maybe two Italian expansions? One Early war one and one late war one? 

If they did Africa that would add a lot of potential. I know they said they don't want to do it because of CLOD but I think the benefits would outweigh whatever is holding them back.

 

[Asgar]

Oooh a suggestion, I wonder of this would fit well into the forum section called… wait for it… suggestions

Edited August 26, 2022 by Asgar

[BOO]

I guess its for 777 to decide. Things change over time so whats not possible now could be later. It appears the western front is a more popular european option that the east these days (sad to say) so I think there are a good few years left in that part of the world and Italy before new ground need to ne broken elsewhere. 

 

 guess simmers like the mainstream more than the odd ducks. 

[SharkWolf2022]

Sorry. I'm new to the forum and saw general so thought it went there ?

[BOO]

Just now, Asgar said:

Oooh a suggestion, I wonder of this would fit well into the forum section called… wait for it… suggestions

oh and welsome to our warm and friendly forums @SharkWolf2022 LOL

[Talisman]

I hope that we never ever see an attempt at the Battle of France with IL-2 as it has so little to recommend it and I think it would be a complete waste of time; I would not spend any of my money on it.

 

Happy landings,

 

Talisman

[BOO]

Just now, SharkWolf2022 said:

Sorry. I'm new to the forum and saw general so thought it went there ?

dont worry the mods will move it if they see fit. 

[SharkWolf2022]

3 minutes ago, BOO said:

I guess its for 777 to decide. Things change over time so whats not possible now could be later. It appears the western front is a more popular european option that the east these days (sad to say) so I think there are a good few years left in that part of the world and Italy before new ground need to ne broken elsewhere. 

 

 guess simmers like the mainstream more than the odd ducks. 

I like the eastern front. Yak3 and La7 are among my favorite planes. Along with the Romanian IAR. I do hope they do a late war Soviet campaign around Berlin and maybe one that covers Leningrad. I do worry they will run out of 109 variants first though. Also things like the Su2 and Su6.

[BOO]

3 minutes ago, SharkWolf2022 said:

I like the eastern front. Yak3 and La7 are among my favorite planes. Along with the Romanian IAR. I do hope they do a late war Soviet campaign around Berlin and maybe one that covers Leningrad. I do worry they will run out of 109 variants first though. Also things like the Su2 and Su6.

wouldnt wory about them running out of stuff. Im sure they have a plan. Clever people. 

 

To what Talisman says, I have to agree. I couldnt see it being popular with a large player base. Each of us have our "thing" and each of us has a limit of interest. For me the PTO is that limit for others its Nirvana. Like you Id love some more early war and Easrern stuff but I think we are a minority in a minority community that simply isnt big enough any more to indulge devs like it once did.  

 

I think Mr Williams made some wise choices to keep GB going. Im sure he will make a good few more.

[CountZero]

46 minutes ago, SharkWolf2022 said:

I don't see anything else they can add to the series though other than one-two final eastern front expansion. 

 

Pacific Theatre is a no go obviously.

Maybe two Italian expansions? One Early war one and one late war one? 

If they did Africa that would add a lot of potential. I know they said they don't want to do it because of CLOD but I think the benefits would outweigh whatever is holding them back.

 

You missed most obvious next DLC, Battle of Channal 1943. BoN area map just set in 43 timeline with summer, spring, autum and winter version, but more to how map was looking when first proposed, insted to mutch to south its more to east.

And you add airplanes that can fit in with BoN, Spit9c, P-38G, B-25C, B-26B and Beaufighter with 109G5, 190A4, ju87D5, ju188 and do217

Easy simple and continue what we have, dont mess with what clod does as they will be in 1942 with tf6 and africa. You can be sure it will not be east front, even pto is more likely then that at this point.

Edited August 26, 2022 by CountZero

[the_emperor]

The current damage model (or lets say the lack of) does not support a time frame when rifle  calibre  guns were (mostly) the primary armament of aircrafts.

the CloD series has that covered and would be the bar that has to be jumped......and that is not going to happen.

So I highly recommend give that series series a chance if you are interested in the 1940ish time frame of aerial warfare.

it has it flaws but the depths of the damage model in comparison to the current IL-2 BoX series is, well.....

[WIS-Redcoat]

Very much agree with the OP

[catchthefoxes]

i just want what we've always wanted.

[BOO]

3 minutes ago, catchthefoxes said:

i just want what we've always wanted.

free ice cream?

[DD_Arthur]

32 minutes ago, catchthefoxes said:

i just want what we've always wanted.

Couldn’t agree more. Let’s hope we get it.?

[DD_fruitbat]

Just an FYI for the OP, the E1 was still the most numerous type of Emil, well into the BoB, ergo defiantly in the BoF!

[Bell]

6 hours ago, SharkWolf2022 said:

The Battle for France is a very rare theatre in World War II simulators which is a shame.

Totally agree,French aircraft needs more love.

[Charon]

I couldn't agree more. Battle of France has long been my dream module, ever since I read Baughen's "The Rise and Fall of the French Air Force". An outstanding read, by the way. It featured so many cool planes at a time when doctrine was still being tested out, and the fall of France had tremendous ramifications for the rest of the world. You could not choose a more significant period to simulate, and yet it has been sadly neglected.

 

9 hours ago, SharkWolf2022 said:

D520, MB 150, Potez 630, LeO 451, Battle
109E3, He 111H-3/Do17Z, Bf 110C, Hs123, ?

The MB 150 was apparently a bit of a dog. I would cut it and replace it with the MS 406, which was largely more capable and in any case was by far the most numerous French fighter. I don't think a He 111H-3 has much to distinguish it from the H-6 and H-16 we already have (and the differences between those are already somewhat forgettable).

 

Unfortunately, the MB 150, the Potez 630, the LeO 451, and Hs 123 all seem to lack surviving examples of any version; the sole surviving Do 17 is also in pretty rough shape. I'm not sure if that's a showstopper (the sole surviving Hs 129 has seen better days as well), but in general the devs seem to prefer planes with more surviving artifacts. I suspect doing so for 5 planes might be too far.

 

I would love to have a LeO 451. It's beautiful, as well as being present in meaningful numbers... but between the lack of survivors and the complexity of multi-crew planes, I can't imagine we get a LeO 451 before a B-25 or B-26. And with the battle being settled essentially by tactical airpower, I think omitting the medium 451 would be acceptable.

 

My proposal would be the Ms 406, the D520, the Curtis H75, the Fairey Battle, and the Potez 63.11. For the Germans, the Bf 109E-1/3, the Bf 110C, the Ju 87B-1, the Do 17Z, and the Fi 156 or Hs 123.

 

The Ms 406 of course has to be present: it was the primary French fighter at the time. While somewhat inferior to the 109E, it was more maneuverable and has a powerful centerline armament, and would be capable of holding its own.

 

The H75 was used in similar numbers to the D520, and they were probably the two best fighters the French had in meaningful numbers.

 

All three have survivors, and the H75 and MS 406 both seem to have airworthy examples.

 

The Fairey Battle, although outclassed, played an important and heroic role, and is necessary for the May 14th attacks at Sedan. There is also at least one survivor in Canada.

 

The Potez, well, I just said we couldn't have one... but along with the MS 406, it was one of the most plentiful modern planes in the French arsenal, and it would be important to have. The 63.11 was the most plentiful variant with a greenhouse nose that must be magnificent to fly. And although there are no survivors, there is one reproduction. It also has a minimal bomb load, and could apparently mount additional forward firing armament.

 

I believe the 109E-1/3 could be done as a single plane. They seem to differ only in armament. Without a constant speed prop, they would be very different than the E-7 from Moscow.

 

The 110C I think would actually be very interesting. It was really more of a pure Zerstörer, before they weighed it down with armor and bomb racks.

 

The Ju 87B is IMO essential: it's an iconic part of the Blitzkrieg, and it would be great to stop using the Ju 87D as a stand-in during Moscow scenarios.

 

The Do 17Z would then be the only twin-engine bomber in the module. As discussed, there are not many artifacts remaining of them.

 

The Fi 156 would be a very cool collector plane as a counterpart to the U2-VS, but the Hs 123 would be the more conventional option (but again, without survivors).

 

The map could run from somewhere Northeast of Maastricht, West to Dieppe, and south to somewhere near of Verdun (note I have not run the numbers to see if this is too large, but my sense is this would be about the size of the Rhineland map).

 

 

8 hours ago, BOO said:

Much of this is represented in IL2 Blitz. I doubt GB will be going there.

CloD only has the D520, and only because it was used by the Vichy in North Africa. While there is a Battle of France campaign, it's a bit like trying to cover the Battle of Stalingrad with only the Fw 190A-3 for the Germans!

 

8 hours ago, the_emperor said:

The current damage model (or lets say the lack of) does not support a time frame when rifle  calibre  guns were (mostly) the primary armament of aircrafts.

I think this was somewhat of a problem for the popularity of BoM (all the Soviet fighters lack cannon in their default configuration, at a time when the German opposition is virtually immune to 0.30), but it would not be a problem for France. The French were early adopters of motor-cannons, and so the MS 406, the MB 150, the D 520, The Portez 630, the Bf 109E-3, and the bf 110C would *all* be cannon armed. (With my alternate list, the H75 would lack any cannons, but bear in mind that the 109E-3 and 110C were much less well armored than their later variants).

[BOO]

16 hours ago, Charon said:

CloD only has the D520, and only because it was used by the Vichy in North Africa. While there is a Battle of France campaign, it's a bit like trying to cover the Battle of Stalingrad with only the Fw 190A-3 for the Germans!

 

 

Only the D520?  It has early Hurricane Mk1s, early Blenheims, Bf109 E1 and E3, He111, ju88A1 and the Bf110C.  AI Do17Z to. 

 

I get the lack of French aircraft but personally I still wouldnt  go for bust on a release  of a title that promised 3  or 4 previously unmoddelled and generally uncompetative french types flying around a map that was relevent for 6 weeks.

 

Each to their own.   

Edited August 27, 2022 by BOO

[JLean]

Battle of France would be nice and enable also Battle of Britain & if we  at some day would get Leningrad/Karelia map there would be many planes fittting for eastern front scenarios. 1941-1942. So many birds with a one stone if planes would be: 

 

Allied:

Hurricane I  

Ms 406  

Curtiss Hawk 75

Blenheim I or IV 

? Battle or D.520 

 

German:

Bf 109E-3

Bf 110C

Ju 87B

Do 17Z

Hs 123

 

If reading this with eastern front glasses it would bring 9 planes for blue team ?

 

 JLean 

 

 

[SharkWolf2022]

3 hours ago, JLean said:

Battle of France would be nice and enable also Battle of Britain & if we  at some day would get Leningrad/Karelia map there would be many planes fittting for eastern front scenarios. 1941-1942. So many birds with a one stone if planes would be: 

 

Allied:

Hurricane I  

Ms 406  

Curtiss Hawk 75

Blenheim I or IV 

? Battle or D.520 

 

German:

Bf 109E-3

Bf 110C

Ju 87B

Do 17Z

Hs 123

 

If reading this with eastern front glasses it would bring 9 planes for blue team ?

 

 JLean 

 

 

I think the D.520 is the one plane that must ABSOLUTELY be added. It's the best French Fighter available at the time and would make the most impact. I think the best bet would be to remove the Hurricane I or Hawk 75 in favor of adding the D.520. Probably the Hurricane as the RAF would already be getting three other planes. I would love to see the Blenheim but it could also be added in a hypothetical battle of Malta scenario along with the Hurricane II. 

[Eisenfaustus]

11 hours ago, JLean said:

Battle of France would be nice and enable also Battle of Britain & if we  at some day would get Leningrad/Karelia map there would be many planes fittting for eastern front scenarios. 1941-1942. So many birds with a one stone if planes would be: 

 

Allied:

Hurricane I  

Ms 406  

Curtiss Hawk 75

Blenheim I or IV 

? Battle or D.520 

 

German:

Bf 109E-3

Bf 110C

Ju 87B

Do 17Z

Hs 123

 

If reading this with eastern front glasses it would bring 9 planes for blue team ?

 

 JLean 

 

 

German List is perfect in my eyes. 
 

Allied List - I get your intention but it’s too fighter heavy. Cut the D.520 and Battle in favor of a Potez 630. 

 

But while the Hawk 75 was historically more important then the D.520 I‘d get if these two were exchanged as well for sexiness

11 hours ago, BOO said:

a map that was relevent for 6 weeks.

There was air combat during the 9 months of phoney war ^^

[BlitzPig_EL]

Hawk 75 as a collectable.  It was used in pretty much every theatre of the war, and by both sides. 

 

So pretty...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[the_emperor]

On 8/27/2022 at 5:54 AM, Charon said:

but it would not be a problem for France. The French were early adopters of motor-cannons, and so the MS 406, the MB 150, the D 520

that is right,

but if my memory serves me correctly the early french adaption of the hispano motor-cannons relied mainly on ball ammunition (they preferred a tumbling 20mm slug over the AP).HE was rare. But a have to dig up some of the old manuals to confirm that. might be wrong on that. But its back to the current lag of damage modelling. 

But that might change with the upcomming patch. 

 

[BOO]

why is everyone ignoring the E1s? Pretty certain that they were present in numbers. 

[357th_KW]

34 minutes ago, BOO said:

why is everyone ignoring the E1s? Pretty certain that they were present in numbers. 

Doing an E1 with mods to turn it into an E3 is the ideal way to do this.  E1’s were still in service during the Battle of Britain.

[BOO]

Just now, 357th_KW said:

Doing an E1 with mods to turn it into an E3 is the ideal way to do this.  E1’s were still in service during the Battle of Britain.

I think the E1 would be a little more agile too. From Clod days the E3 was, to many of us the less desirable of the 3 three main versions on offer (E1, E3 and E4).

[357th_KW]

And it just works if both sides are wielding rifle caliber machine guns with no pilot armor.  

[BOO]

The biggest issue with the E1 and E3 (and two speed merlins for that matter) is the additional care that needs to be taken in engine managment. No auto rad and prop pitch that needs constant and even pre-emptive management. One of the attractons of GB is it allows the player to get into the fight without too many of those worries. How many would take to coming from late spits or G14s to this Im not sure. It certainly takes a little practice not to end up with a seized engine or wallowing aircraft especially when you are red misted on the kill this isnt going wing off with one hit.  

[DD_fruitbat]

1 hour ago, BOO said:

why is everyone ignoring the E1s? Pretty certain that they were present in numbers. 

 

They were the most common sub type even on the first months of bob.

[CountZero]

3 hours ago, BOO said:

The biggest issue with the E1 and E3 (and two speed merlins for that matter) is the additional care that needs to be taken in engine managment. No auto rad and prop pitch that needs constant and even pre-emptive management. One of the attractons of GB is it allows the player to get into the fight without too many of those worries. How many would take to coming from late spits or G14s to this Im not sure. It certainly takes a little practice not to end up with a seized engine or wallowing aircraft especially when you are red misted on the kill this isnt going wing off with one hit.  

Just look how used 202 is with its 2x12mm and even if you give it totaly fantasy option of 2x 20 gunpods it dont move players from easy 109Fs.

E1  4x 7,7mm and manual rpm/pitch controls, typical axis flyer used to 20HE ammo and easy engine menagment would try it 1 time and cry why no E4/7 or F2/4s.

E3 no HE ammo for 20mm guns only AP, and here AP is questionable, same high level engine managment demand typical axis player is not used to. 

Then to expect them to destroy hurri DM we have in here with E1 or E3, that would be another imposible task for typical axis player.

Even in clod where you had good DM and historical ammo, players avoided using E1 and E3 and used them only in SoW when they were forced to use them, here forcing players to use historical airplanes dont go, we have hords of 234s with fantasy 2x20mm guns and 1.98K4s flying around like they wre handed off like candys in ww2, you have more axis players in air then allieds in missions that should depict late war lol

 

Any DLC set with thouse two as main axis airplanes would be heading for then name of last 777 DLC.

[Eisenfaustus]

1 hour ago, CountZero said:

7,7mm

7,92 mm

 

1 hour ago, CountZero said:

E3 no HE ammo for 20mm guns only AP

Wrong - no mine shells but regular HE. Usually belted 4 HE : 1 AP. 

[BOO]

21 hours ago, CountZero said:

only in SoW when they were forced to use them

True. There were a few players who were very effective in the E1 and  E3 but these were the guys who where mass killers in E4s. For the most part E4s (especially lates) and Spitty IIs were cherished and not risked in gung ho charges in SOW as supply punished you for such waste. I rarely saw E1s and E3s on servers like ATAG (although the same skilled players would used them if they were looking for a challenge) and maps that dropped the E4s were never very popular with the Blues (most would either not fly or pick up 110s or even 88s over an E3 - although said maps never seemed to exclude the Spitfire either which was also a factor).

 

I preferred the E1 to the lumbering E3 but cant ever recall any success in either!  I perhaps had a handful of kills over the years but I just wasnt that good and my prey had to be especially unexperienced!  It was enough to come home without a broken engine. I doubt not breaking an engine or being the only E1 in a server full of constant speed hurri Mk1s would be enough to keep people entertaned for long. 

 

 

[R7-S276]

I am agree at 1000%, see a Battle of France for Il2 is my dream… 

just want to suggest that the MS-406 could be re-use for a Battle of Norway, and the beginning of the battles in North Africa with some LeO… by the way I think the Lysander should be a great collector plane for the next Normandy map and was of course present in the Battle of France… I regrets that apparently the Normandy map not show Dunkirk and I hope one day to have a full map of France  and not only some pieces from one map to an other… often forgot the Alps with some aerial fight between Italy and France…

Edited August 30, 2022 by R7-S276

[CountZero]

1 hour ago, R7-S276 said:

I am agree at 1000%, see a Battle of France for Il2 is my dream… 

just want to suggest that the MS-406 could be re-use for a Battle of Norway, and the beginning of the battles in North Africa with some LeO… by the way I think the Lysander should be a great collector plane for the next Normandy map and was of course present in the Battle of France… I regrets that apparently the Normandy map not show Dunkirk and I hope one day to have a full map of France  and not only some pieces from one map to an other… often forgot the Alps with some aerial fight between Italy and France…

Norway ? what size of map would that take ... France and Alps, again what size of map would that take ? have you check map sizes in game now, BoN is not bigger then bobp is, maps are getting smaller to be able to handle more detail, this is not msf2020...

Dunkirk is of map because map had to be extended to south to cover important post invasion battles, and then had to get rid of it because map cant handle to have Paris on it... when thinking what is posible map size is important, crucial as from where 10 airplanes will operate for SP of DLC...

You could have said why they dont do Battle of Madagascar, it can have carriers MS406 Lysanders and so on... why are devs not doing that important and interesting battle ... and that DLC would bring more interesting and new stuff to game then BoF would or any N Africa DLC would, but tere is 0% chance of it

[SOLIDKREATE]

I think this would be a good one for the guys who made Blitz and North Africa IMO. This SIM needs to keep moving forward. Personally, I'd like to see a close out in Berlin. Then a 1-2 yr break for further development of a new game engine and then move into the Pacific or Korea, early war Korea when will still had F4U-4 Corsairs and other piston fighters. This is just my own personal thoughts on the matter and in no way telling 1C what to do.

Edited August 31, 2022 by SOLIDKREATE