C-47 A...

[Guest deleted@50488]

I have purchased this "Collector Plane" last year, but have been away from IL-2 for quite a while.

 

When will the flyable version get released ?

 

Thanks for any hints !

Edited August 26, 2022 by jcomm-il2

[AEthelraedUnraed]

The Devs never give any release dates beforehand, so honestly it might be anywhere between today and the end of the year or so.

 

However, one of the screenshots in the latest Developer Diary shows a transport squadron, so there have been rumours that the C47 might be released along with BoN (which will take at least another 2 weeks, according to the DD post).

[sevenless]

4 hours ago, jcomm-il2 said:

I have purchased this "Collector Plane" last year, but have been away from IL-2 for quite a while.

 

When will the flyable version get releaed ? I'm waiting for that to reinstall IL2. 

 

Thanks for any hints !

 

I also preordered and can´t wait to fly this beauty. Last update by Jason was in April around the easter weekend. My personal guess is, that it will be ready somewhen in fall of this year.

 

 

 

 

[Guest deleted@50488]

Wow ! Looking GREAT !!!! Didn't see that pot by Jason !  Thx !

[Gustaf]

I also pre-ordered the flyable C-47 a year ago.  Now I hear we may have it by late this year -  as in AFTER the release of of BON.  I hope I got it wrong, but isn't the flyable C-47 - even though it's a "collectable" -  supposed to be part of the BON?  If right, I'll remember this next time I see a pre-order offer.

Edited August 24, 2022 by Gustaf

[BOO]

2 minutes ago, Gustaf said:

.  I hope I got it wrong, but isn't the flyable C-47 - even though it's a "collectable" -  supposed to be part of the BON? 

you have

 

P47 yes

C47 No 

[Mtnbiker1998]

22 minutes ago, Gustaf said:

I also pre-ordered the flyable C-47 a year ago.  Now I hear we may have it by late this year -  as in AFTER the release of of BON.  I hope I got it wrong, but isn't the flyable C-47 - even though it's a "collectable" -  supposed to be part of the BON?  If right, I'll remember this next time I see a pre-order offer.

IIRC, the AI only C-47 was advertised as part of either Bodenplatte or Normandy, but once it was announced that it would be made flyable it was then considered its own separate entity as a Collector pre-order. Don't quote me on that.

 

Either way, the collector planes aren't part of battles (except when included with the premium versions) and you certainly didn't pay for a flyable C-47 to come with either battle. I wouldn't expect it to be released as such.

[AEthelraedUnraed]

3 hours ago, Mtnbiker1998 said:

IIRC, the AI only C-47 was advertised as part of either Bodenplatte or Normandy, but once it was announced that it would be made flyable it was then considered its own separate entity as a Collector pre-order. Don't quote me on that.

 

Either way, the collector planes aren't part of battles (except when included with the premium versions) and you certainly didn't pay for a flyable C-47 to come with either battle. I wouldn't expect it to be released as such.

Correct. The flyable C-47 has never been advertised as being part of BoN or BoBP. It's a separate collector plane and will (presumably) be released on a separate date.

[ShamrockOneFive]

4 hours ago, Mtnbiker1998 said:

IIRC, the AI only C-47 was advertised as part of either Bodenplatte or Normandy, but once it was announced that it would be made flyable it was then considered its own separate entity as a Collector pre-order. Don't quote me on that.

 

Either way, the collector planes aren't part of battles (except when included with the premium versions) and you certainly didn't pay for a flyable C-47 to come with either battle. I wouldn't expect it to be released as such.

 

You got it right!

[Rjel]

I never realized how big the C-47 is until I had one over fly my place along side a B-17. I'm looking forward to flying it in this sim.

 

 

[EAF19_Marsh]

I saw it in a museum the other day and it is bigger than I remembered. Probably something to do with it being only a twin.

[CAFulcrum]

It's the only individual plane I've ordered, and I'm happy to wait until it's ready.  Really looking forward to flying some relaxing GA navigation adventures offline/terrifying treetop suicide missions online.

[Ribbon]

23 hours ago, Rjel said:

I never realized how big the C-47 is until I had one over fly my place along side a B-17. I'm looking forward to flying it in this sim.

 

 

Maybe b17 isn't that big (never seen it IRL) but i have C47 sitting and rotting at my workplace, it's not that big!

 

Now i imagine b17 being small?, in the movies they all seem bigger

Edited August 25, 2022 by =VARP=Ribbon

[PatrickAWlson]

52 minutes ago, =VARP=Ribbon said:

Maybe b17 isn't that big (never seen it IRL) but i have C47 sitting and rotting at my workplace, it's not that big!

 

Now i imagine b17 being small?, in the movies they all seem bigger

 

The B17 really isn't that big once you have gotten used to modern planes.  

[Rjel]

1 hour ago, =VARP=Ribbon said:

Maybe b17 isn't that big (never seen it IRL) but i have C47 sitting and rotting at my workplace, it's not that big!

 

Now i imagine b17 being small?, in the movies they all seem bigger

 

1 hour ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

The B17 really isn't that big once you have gotten used to modern planes.  

I think in the time frame they were both introduced in the mid 1930s, they would've been considered large. Not to mention advanced. Time marches on though. It is nearly 90 years since they both came on the scene.

[Ribbon]

1 hour ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

The B17 really isn't that big once you have gotten used to modern planes.  

Yup, for example A320 seems ~30% bigger than c47.

We need B29 to fix perception?

Didn't know till recently that b29 had 3rd crew member managing engines (throttles), no throttles for cpt. and copilot.

 

24 minutes ago, Rjel said:

 

I think in the time frame they were both introduced in the mid 1930s, they would've been considered large. Not to mention advanced. Time marches on though. It is nearly 90 years since they both came on the scene.

 

Most of us seen those old planes in a movies where camera angle and maybe remade fuselage in a studio makes it bigger than it actually is, add to it 4×engines and perception goes wild.

[Skycat1969]

To scale? I don't know but it seems probable when looking at images like the ones here:   <--- Click twice to view ww2aircraft.net forum

 

And knowing how the C-130 compares to the C-47, this chart of military transport aircraft becomes very interesting:

 

 

Edited August 25, 2022 by Skycat1969

[Gambit21]

3 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

The B17 really isn't that big once you have gotten used to modern planes.  

 

Exactly...I've walked around both the B-17 and the C-47 and neither are very large compared to modern aircraft.

 

I think you could fit the C-47 fuselage in the intake of some of the modern airliner engines.

What struck me about walking underneath the C-47 was the giant, half-spherical rivets covering the aircraft like warts. I wonder how much speed was bled from that thing by all of that drag.

 

 

 

Edited August 26, 2022 by Gambit21

[Mtnbiker1998]

1 hour ago, Skycat1969 said:

And knowing how the C-130 compares to the C-47, this chart of military transport aircraft becomes very interesting:

 

 

If you spend enough time around C-5 Galaxy's, everything seems small!

[Avimimus]

4 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

The B17 really isn't that big once you have gotten used to modern planes.  

 

Which makes me want to flee back into the WWI era... but then I find a Riesenflugzeug staring back at me!!!

[ShamrockOneFive]

2 hours ago, =VARP=Ribbon said:

We need B29 to fix perception?

 

At an airshow I once saw a 737-800 taxi past a B-29. The 737 was considerably larger. It really put things into perspective

[BraveSirRobin]

In 2003 I got a Wright Flyer replica and C-17 together and they’re practically the same size.  You can see that the C-17 is a little bigger, but not much.

 

 

Same with the Wright Flyer and F-117.  Keep in mind that the 117 is a lot closer.

 

 

Edited August 26, 2022 by BraveSirRobin

[Skelthos]

14 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

I think you could fit the C-47 fuselage in the intake of some of the modern airliner engines.

Fairly easily C-47 Fuselage diameter is 2 Meters, the GE-90-115B that were used on the Boeing 777-200LR is 3.43 Meters, with the Fan itself being 3.1 meters.  The engine also weighs more than the C-47 as well 8,762Kg vs 8,226Kg (empty) 

 

Modern aircraft dwarf the older aircraft, by a not inconsiderable margin. 

[IckyATLAS]

Here is how to crush the C-47, pitching it against the worlds heavyweight the Mriya.

 

Max takeoff weight of a C-47 is 14 tons.

Max takeoff weight of an Antonov A220 Mriya is 640 tons or  4470% !!!  better

 

Max speed of a C-47 is 360 km/hr

Max speed of A220 is 850 km/hr or 136% better

 

Service ceiling 8'000mt for the C-47

Service ceiling 11'000 mt for the A220 or 37% better.

 

And to finish off the agonizing C-47

Wingspan of the C-47 is 29 meters

Wingspan of the A220 is 88 meters or 3 times  more, the wingspan of the C-47 is probably smaller that the horizontal stabilizer wingspan

[Monksilver]

1 hour ago, IckyATLAS said:

Here is how to crush the C-47, pitching it against the worlds heavyweight the Mriya.

 

Max takeoff weight of a C-47 is 14 tons.

Max takeoff weight of an Antonov A220 Mriya is 640 tons or  4470% !!!  better

 

Max speed of a C-47 is 360 km/hr

Max speed of A220 is 850 km/hr or 136% better

 

Service ceiling 8'000mt for the C-47

Service ceiling 11'000 mt for the A220 or 37% better.

 

And to finish off the agonizing C-47

Wingspan of the C-47 is 29 meters

Wingspan of the A220 is 88 meters or 3 times  more, the wingspan of the C-47 is probably smaller that the horizontal stabilizer wingspan

 

A shame that someone blew it up!

[Avimimus]

On 8/26/2022 at 6:13 PM, Monksilver said:

A shame that someone blew it up!

 

If that bothers you - don't look up what happened to the Buran prototype!

[KiwiMcG]

On 8/27/2022 at 9:08 AM, IckyATLAS said:

Here is how to crush the C-47, pitching it against the worlds heavyweight the Mriya.

 

Max takeoff weight of a C-47 is 14 tons.

Max takeoff weight of an Antonov A220 Mriya is 640 tons or  4470% !!!  better

 

Max speed of a C-47 is 360 km/hr

Max speed of A220 is 850 km/hr or 136% better

 

Service ceiling 8'000mt for the C-47

Service ceiling 11'000 mt for the A220 or 37% better.

 

And to finish off the agonizing C-47

Wingspan of the C-47 is 29 meters

Wingspan of the A220 is 88 meters or 3 times  more, the wingspan of the C-47 is probably smaller that the horizontal stabilizer wingspan

Your comparing a grape with a pumpkin, different technologies and generations. I think the C-47 had flown rings around the Mriya before it was even a thing in the Berlin Blockade alone, it was called Dumbo because it could do all the things it wasn't supposed to be designed for and take off and land in roughest terrain and harshest climates. That's why they're still found in remote regions from Finland to Bolivia and used in Antartic. Mriya is impractical by comparison and a flying truck for long haul end to end routes with full services and quality facilities which were few and far between in C-47's time.

[IckyATLAS]

5 hours ago, KiwiMcG said:

Your comparing a grape with a pumpkin, different technologies and generations.

 

Yes and it was on purpose. This is to illustrate a kind of space-time travel. Here is how the story goes.

 

Imagine that you are 13 years old, we are end of October 1944, and you are in a field nearby an airfield  that by chance for you was not far from your village in the British countryside. You have never been in large cities and you dream about flying and going far far away. You do not have school today and  so you went to your preferred spot on an open field on a hill overlooking a military airfield. The sky is overcast, drizzle rain, it is very cold, there has been some snow, all looks muddy and grey. But this is not important for you, as a kid you look at the planes. There is a lot of traffic, there are C-47's and B17's landing, taking of and parked around. But you are really enthusiast about those fantastic fighters like the Spitfires, P51, and P47. There are also fuel trucks, jeeps, and troop carriers moving on the muddy airfield, spitting smoke from their exhaust, and making a lot of noise. Around each of the parked aircraft there are a lot of people, mechanics, fueling with drums, others have opened the cowlings and work on the engines etc. etc.

 

And then bad luck there is a surprise low level German bomber attack. Everything goes up in flames, explosions everywhere, AAA fire all around and one blast nearby knocks you out, and all goes dark. You feel like falling in a dark tunnel and then you see a bright light at the end.

 

You come out in the light and find yourself in a sandy field on a slight hill overlooking a gigantic airfield, it is very hot weather, the sky is completely clear, strong blue and a very bright sunshine, like midday in full summer you think. But strangely on that gigantic airfield there is no grass with enormous structures stretching for miles that you just cannot make sense of, and you see the airfield has activity. An enormous aircraft (Airbus A380) landing, on another runway another different but gigantic (Mriya AN220) taking off,  and other kind of strange planes (a Galaxy, a 747, multiple large Airbus and Boeing planes, F22s, F117s, a few B1s and B2s parked, an F35 taking of vertically). On another part of this airfield again strange flying objects (Apache attack helicopter squadron taking off, and a V22 Osprey squadron landing vertically) moving around. Then you see moving vehicles (electric cars, trucks and buses) moving around but you immediately feel something is wrong as they emit no smoke and sound etc. Very strangely there is nobody that you see around the airplanes. An yes when looking well sometimes you see one or two people but it is far and they have strange dresses and a lot of stuff over them you cannot understand what it is.

You also notice small things with various shapes flying all around without noise (these are airport surveillance drones), staying still in the air like bees do, then moving in different directions slowly or quickly, one comes towards you and floats completely still in the air. You then hear a high pitch sound and you think again about the bees that do a similar noise. You notice a kind of black eye that moves left right and then stares directly to you, and you see a small blinking intense red light near to the eye, and then incredibly it talks to you and tells that you must step back and rejoin the group. But which group? And then he is gone passing over your head at high speed.

 

Then you hear a very low frequency ominous rumble behind you, and turn 180, and then you see a group of people strangely dressed with fancy looking shoes, looking in a direction where you see far far away an enormous rocket (It is the SpaceX Starship on its maiden flight) lift off and blasting to the sky. You have heard at school about the big German rockets (V2) that in September started falling over London.  It was incredible as the rockets you knew about were very small and could just fly a few hundred meters but these were coming from hundred miles away, impossible for you, the teacher was exaggerating to have you afraid. Those you did really see are those that were set under the P47 wings, but they were so small. The one you were seeing was enormous, it seemed like the pictures you saw of Big Ben, but a Big Ben rocket. This one was even bigger. These people looked strange,  with strange small white things like worms plugged in their ears, looking at large flat objects they have in their hand with colored light coming out of it. Some are looking at the rocket, talking to themselves loud but there is nobody listening to them, like you know madmen use to do. You notice also that one of them talks to its wrist with a strange watch like object that also flashes kind of colored light.

 

You feel really very strange looking at all this happening all around you, in a kind of very eerie atmosphere, and then you wake up with a terrible headache, and all around you is desolation, fire and smoke, burnt carcasses of planes and vehicles, people running around, ambulances etc. What a dream you thought.

 

Then you remembered, that before the attack that morning at home you had seen a book about the future with the title "Year 3'000, The World of the Future", full of artist drawings and illustrations. Aha so it was a dream where your mind imagined all that.

 

Now you are just 91, only 78 years after your dream, and you remember that book, and it is all just there. Your dream has become a reality.

Then you thought how wrong was finally that book. In the year 3'000 what else?

 

Edited September 2, 2022 by IckyATLAS

[BOO]

1 hour ago, IckyATLAS said:

In the year 3'000 what else?

 

Im gonna ventue a lot more sand and sun cream......

[Bulldog7]

Hi everyone,

             Just a touch base now with Normandy released. What is the latest on the C-47A production wise.

Not asking a release, just where is it at? Any devs want to chime in here and give us all a bit of an update to chew on.

Couple of new pictures on some fresh news would be fantastic.


Side note: This was not asked due to some GUI error i just read about, just a general interest on where the aircraft development is at, thats all.

 

 

Edited September 9, 2022 by Bulldog7

[TheWarsimmer]

I'm curious about its state as well. There just hasnt been an update in a while and with BoN being out I'm getting itchy. Has anyone heard anything?

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, TheWarsimmer said:

I'm curious about its state as well. There just hasnt been an update in a while and with BoN being out I'm getting itchy. Has anyone heard anything?

When “anyone” hears something new, so will everyone. The Devs like to update both at the same time typically.

[dbuile]

Why did I pre-order such a plane?  Here's why, and why I don't care when it's released.  My best friend way back in my turbulent teens and early twenties, his father served in the Army Air Forces.  I loved his dad.  I didn't know much, except his unit was "twin engined."  Turns out, was a Troop Carrier Squadron, C-47s. 

 

My best friend told me snippets of his dad's stories, one was: Spitfires were stationed nearby. A USAAF pilot overheard them complaining about their short strip with a hedge right at the end.  The pilot says "Stop griping, even I could take off from there..."  The bravado escalated to a bet "Ok, Yank. Let's see your money, right here".  Money laid down, and the C47 pilot stands up.  

 

Of course, his co-pilot stands up with him, but was told "No, you stay here, cuz I ain't gonna make it..."  

 

As my friend's dad got older, he got more emotional.  But that pilot got in his plane, and crashed and burned at the end of that runway.

One Plane.  One Life.  No backing down.  Just another casualty of the war.  And so many of these stories are lost forever.

[Lusekofte]

I guess it is going to be a excellent plane. Not rushet into marked 

[Fast_toche]

I found it!!!
They paint it

 

 

Edited October 7, 2022 by Fast_toche
Posted in French