MSI 3090 ti suprim x

[dgiatr]

Hello to everyone!

I am about to buy a new 3090 graphics card . I would like to ask if MSI 3090 SUPRIM X  at about 1600 euros is a good bargain? Has any issues working with reverb G2?  Whats the best processors to work with that card ( not very expensive ) and the best motherboards and psus?

 

Thank you in advance!

Edited September 2, 2022 by dgiatr

[Manding357]

I have this exact card and it worked very well with the G2. I've since upgraded to the Aero and it runs that great too.

 

I was able to overclock and undervolt the card decently well. Its running IL-2 in the Aero at about 65 degrees at 2025 mhz steadily 

[chiliwili69]

Prices for GPUs has been drastically reduced due to Crypto slowdown and future new generation are to release this year.

 

You can have a brand new 3090Ti for 1650€:

 

https://www.pccomponentes.com/msi-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-gaming-x-trio-24gb-gddr6x

https://www.pccomponentes.com/msi-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-suprim-x-24gb-gddr6x

 

So, 1600 for a 3090 is not a bargain today. (it was one year ago).

 

Regarding CPUs for IL-2 VR, the best one is 12900K (but expensive), you can also go for the 5800X3D which is closer.

[Dagwoodyt]

EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti FTW3 Ultra Gaming, 24G-P5-4985-KR

Maybe the best version of the 3090Ti due to it's cooling solution. Undervolted to 950mV can run well under max wattage while maintaining it's stated boost clock under load.

[dburne]

1 hour ago, Dagwoodyt said:

EVGA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti FTW3 Ultra Gaming, 24G-P5-4985-KR

Maybe the best version of the 3090Ti due to it's cooling solution. Undervolted to 950mV can run well under max wattage while maintaining it's stated boost clock under load.

 

 

Nice choice! But that card is so made to overclock...

 

[dgiatr]

5 hours ago, chiliwili69 said:

Prices for GPUs has been drastically reduced due to Crypto slowdown and future new generation are to release this year.

 

You can have a brand new 3090Ti for 1650€:

 

https://www.pccomponentes.com/msi-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-gaming-x-trio-24gb-gddr6x

https://www.pccomponentes.com/msi-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-suprim-x-24gb-gddr6x

 

So, 1600 for a 3090 is not a bargain today. (it was one year ago).

 

Regarding CPUs for IL-2 VR, the best one is 12900K (but expensive), you can also go for the 5800X3D which is closer.

 

2 hours ago, dburne said:

 

 

Nice choice! But that card is so made to overclock...

 

Hello to all!

 

Thank you for your time!

 

Just purchased msi 3090 ti suprim x and i would like to know 

 

1. Should i upgrade from intel core i-5 10600 k (4.1 ghz and 13 mb cache) to a new cpu like 12900 k you said?  Is it a big upgrade or i will not see a big improvement in my rig using msi 3090 ti suprim x before( using i-5 10600k) and after( with 12900k ) that upgrade? Does it worth the extra cost?

 

2. Should i get a new psu to run my new 3090 ti card or my evga 750 watt bronze is ok? 

 

Thank you again.

[dburne]

1 hour ago, dgiatr said:

 

Hello to all!

 

Thank you for your time!

 

Just purchased msi 3090 ti suprim x and i would like to know 

 

1. Should i upgrade from intel core i-5 10600 k (4.1 ghz and 13 mb cache) to a new cpu like 12900 k you said?  Is it a big upgrade or i will not see a big improvement in my rig using msi 3090 ti suprim x before( using i-5 10600k) and after( with 12900k ) that upgrade? Does it worth the extra cost?

 

2. Should i get a new psu to run my new 3090 ti card or my evga 750 watt bronze is ok? 

 

Thank you again.

 

On question #2 that is getting close to borderline but may be ok. EVGA has a great power calculator on their site that you can input all your hardware and it will show you the min you would need. 

 

On question #1 yeah if you get a good cooler like a decent quality AIO you should be able to get that running at 5 GHz +.  A lot of it is matching the GPU with a good CPU and with a 3080 Ti yeah I would think the 12900k would be a pretty good match for it. Regardless the end result will be subjective and no way to say if it would be worth the cost for you to do it for the amount of improvement it would give. But it can't hurt.

Edited August 22, 2022 by dburne

[Dagwoodyt]

Fun part of upgrading a psu is swapping out all the old cables for new ? 

[Dallas88B]

1 hour ago, dgiatr said:

Should i get a new psu to run my new 3090 ti card or my evga 750 watt bronze is ok

Well, I would. 
 

The MSI website product specification for the GeForce RTX™ 3090 Ti SUPRIM X 24G says recommended power supply 850W. The power draw of the card itself is 450W.

https://www.msi.com/Graphics-Card/GeForce-RTX-3090-Ti-SUPRIM-X-24G/Specification

 

You might also want to consider power transients (surge or spike in power draw) in sizing the new PSU and this is discussed clearly at Gamers Nexus here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnRyyCsuHFQ&t=130s

 

If you do replace the PSU I suggest buy a high quality brand name PSU. Modular is better (you don't have to deal with all those unused power cables hard wired into your PSU ... A non modular PSU is not only messy and harder to build with, contribute to a harder to maintain the PC but the extra unused cables just help block air flow)

 

[chiliwili69]

9 hours ago, dgiatr said:

Should i upgrade from intel core i-5 10600 k (4.1 ghz and 13 mb cache) to a new cpu like 12900 k you said?

 

the 10600K is using the socket LGA1200 and the 12th gen of Intel (12900K) is using socket LGA1700, so you will need to upgrade the Mobo as well.

 

The difference between 10th&11th gen on intel versus 12th gen of intel is significant in IL-2, specially in VR.

 

You can check the performance in the SYN_Vander benchmark table in the Hardware section.

[[CPT]Crunch]

Why not just upgrade to a 11900K, can be had for $350 these days.  Less than half from six months ago.

[chiliwili69]

1 hour ago, [CPT]Crunch said:

Why not just upgrade to a 11900K, can be had for $350 these days.  Less than half from six months ago.

 

 the big performance IL-2 difference was from 11th to 12th gen in the intel line. Obiously the 11900K will perform better that the 10600K.

 

But if you think to change Mobo, perhaps is better to wait for the new Zen4 line which could be better than the current king (12900K).

 

Look this sample of the upcoming Ryzen 7600X:

 

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i9-12900K-vs-AMD-Advanced-Marketing-Devices-7600X/4118vsm1898605

 

Look at the 1-core score.

[firdimigdi]

20 minutes ago, chiliwili69 said:

Look this sample of the upcoming Ryzen 7600X:

 

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i9-12900K-vs-AMD-Advanced-Marketing-Devices-7600X/4118vsm1898605

 

Look at the 1-core score.

 

kudos to whomever made that entry - advanced marketing devices indeed

 

Never mind the singlecore speed, the conclusion is top of the charts.

 

Edited August 23, 2022 by Firdimigdi

[dgiatr]

For now i ordered an EVGA 1000 watt golden psu to make it work  with my new card keeping in mind for a future cpu and mobo upgrade....

[dgiatr]

Just noticed that NVIDIA 3090 ti GPU CARDS have issues connecting with REVERB G2.

Many people use repeaters to do their work, do you know if NVIDIA will make any fix for this?

Did anybody came across with such an issue?

Whats the best REPEATER and display port cable i should buy in that case?

 

Thank you! 

[kissTheSky]

13 hours ago, dgiatr said:

Just noticed that NVIDIA 3090 ti GPU CARDS have issues connecting with REVERB G2.

Many people use repeaters to do their work, do you know if NVIDIA will make any fix for this?

Did anybody came across with such an issue?

Whats the best REPEATER and display port cable i should buy in that case?

 

Thank you! 

On another forum someone contacted nvidia about this and was sent a part (I honestly don’t know what exactly) of no cost to him. FYI. 

[dgiatr]

1 hour ago, kissTheSky said:

On another forum someone contacted nvidia about this and was sent a part (I honestly don’t know what exactly) of no cost to him. FYI. 

Thank you KissTheSky i will get in contact with them.

[rogueblade]

On 8/21/2022 at 2:56 AM, Manding357 said:

I have this exact card and it worked very well with the G2. I've since upgraded to the Aero and it runs that great too.

 

I was able to overclock and undervolt the card decently well. Its running IL-2 in the Aero at about 65 degrees at 2025 mhz steadily 

What makes the Aero an "upgrade" over the G2? (I'm out of the loop, all I know is it's 5x as expensive and has less FoV)

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

The lenses, higher resolution, a bit more nits (almost not noticable), but with downsides like a not fully geometric stable experience (not as much noticable when only playing flight sims, but it means the feeling of presence is lost), cable, dependence on lighthouse, and the need to purchase Index Controllers as well - and the price of all that.

 

I'd wait, we're getting similar lenses very very soon with the next generation of headsets. If you look at the new Quest and the next Pico being released soon, they'll have pancake lenses and the same clarity as the Aero, without the world warp (Oculus/meta has and would never release anything without a full geometrically stable picture).

 

One of its key factors of why to go for it would be immersion - the feeling of presence. Remember the first 3D movies, when a pole struck towards the audience and people would flinch and twitch their heads? That's that.?

[dgiatr]

On 8/23/2022 at 6:07 PM, chiliwili69 said:

 

 the big performance IL-2 difference was from 11th to 12th gen in the intel line. Obiously the 11900K will perform better that the 10600K.

 

But if you think to change Mobo, perhaps is better to wait for the new Zen4 line which could be better than the current king (12900K).

 

Look this sample of the upcoming Ryzen 7600X:

 

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i9-12900K-vs-AMD-Advanced-Marketing-Devices-7600X/4118vsm1898605

 

Look at the 1-core score.

 

 

 

I just saw chiliwili69s VR BENCHMARK chart and want to upgrade to better and quicker memory to get some more fps.

 

 I am currently running with my new  rtx 3090 ti suprim x GPU and i5-10600 k cpu. My memory is G.SKILL F4-3200C14D-16GVR 16GB (2X8GB) DDR4 3200MHZ RIPJAWS V DUAL CHANNEL .

What do you propose for better and faster memory at 32 gb and 5200mhz? 

Do you think that this memory sticks   https://www.gskill.com/product/165/371/1640228924/F5-5600J3636C16GX2-TZ5K-F5-5600J3636C16GA2-TZ5K

are a good choice?

i see that those new memory sticks have bigger latency times , is that a problem or the most important factor for better vr performance is memory speed which in that case is 5600mhz faster than 3200mhz ( my current memory)?

 

Thank you all in advance!

 

Edited September 16, 2022 by dgiatr

[firdimigdi]

49 minutes ago, dgiatr said:

Do you think that this memory sticks   https://www.gskill.com/product/165/371/1640228924/F5-5600J3636C16GX2-TZ5K-F5-5600J3636C16GA2-TZ5K

are a good choice?

 

That's a DDR5 memory module. Unless your motherboard states otherwise and is compatible with DDR5 (but I doubt there are m/b with chipsets for that cpu that would support ddr5, but hey I could be wrong), you should be looking at DDR4 modules.

[dgiatr]

1 hour ago, Firdimigdi said:

 

That's a DDR5 memory module. Unless your motherboard states otherwise and is compatible with DDR5 (but I doubt there are m/b with chipsets for that cpu that would support ddr5, but hey I could be wrong), you should be looking at DDR4 modules.

Thank you Firdimigdi, i will look into that.

1 hour ago, Firdimigdi said:

 

That's a DDR5 memory module. Unless your motherboard states otherwise and is compatible with DDR5 (but I doubt there are m/b with chipsets for that cpu that would support ddr5, but hey I could be wrong), you should be looking at DDR4 modules.

You are right it doesnt support DDR5 memory. The maximum memory speed it supports is DDR4 5400 (O.C). What about memory latency? , what maximum latency will be acceptable for that memory of 5400mhz and 32 mgb for the best vr performance?

Edited September 16, 2022 by dgiatr

[chiliwili69]

5 hours ago, dgiatr said:

he maximum memory speed it supports is DDR4 5400 (O.C). What about memory latency? , what maximum latency will be acceptable for that memory of 5400mhz and 32 mgb for the best vr performance?

 

What is your current Mobo?

 

You current RAM (https://www.gskill.com/search?keywords=f4-3200c14d-16gvr) it is already quite good. Latencies at 14 is very good.

If you go to modules with higher frequencies (and as a consequence with higher latencies) your overall performance might not improve too much.

 

Having a 3090Ti with a G2, then you are not constrained by GPU for sure.

 

You can run fpsvr application while you are flying and you will check what is your margin to enter in reprojection zone (less than 90fps), for both CPU and GPU.

 

Also, having more RAM (going from 16GB to 32GB) will not give you any gain in performance with IL-2 VR.

[dburne]

17 minutes ago, chiliwili69 said:

 

 

 

Also, having more RAM (going from 16GB to 32GB) will not give you any gain in performance with IL-2 VR.

 

Out of curiosity have you tested that lately with IL-2 Normandy Map full bore action in VR?

[dgiatr]

1 hour ago, chiliwili69 said:

 

What is your current Mobo?

 

You current RAM (https://www.gskill.com/search?keywords=f4-3200c14d-16gvr) it is already quite good. Latencies at 14 is very good.

If you go to modules with higher frequencies (and as a consequence with higher latencies) your overall performance might not improve too much.

 

Having a 3090Ti with a G2, then you are not constrained by GPU for sure.

 

You can run fpsvr application while you are flying and you will check what is your margin to enter in reprojection zone (less than 90fps), for both CPU and GPU.

 

Also, having more RAM (going from 16GB to 32GB) will not give you any gain in performance with IL-2 VR.

Hello chiliwili69,

 

My mobo is GIGABYTE Z590 AORUS ELITE AX RETAIL if that helps....

 

....in case i find a faster in Mhz,  16 gb memory with the same or lower latency, wont give me any important benefit from that?

 

In other case i think that only cpu upgrade will give me any considerable amount of fps.

 

[chiliwili69]

12 hours ago, dburne said:

Out of curiosity have you tested that lately with IL-2 Normandy Map full bore action in VR?

 

Certainly not. Previuos tests were done 2 year ago with Kuban and 1 year ago with Stalingrad:

 

So, it will try to test this along this weekend (If my 15-yr old give me a time slot in his busy gaming sessions of the weekend...)

[chiliwili69]

11 hours ago, dgiatr said:

...in case i find a faster in Mhz,  16 gb memory with the same or lower latency, wont give me any important benefit from that?

 

If you find a good price for a better memory you can give a try. But I really don´t know what gain you will obtain.

 

If you do it, please run the benchmark before and after the change so we can get more knowledge about how much it influences IL-2 VR.

 

The process to choose the best RAM for your Mobo is a bit tricky. It is a matter of three factors:

- Availability of th RAM you want

- Price

- Being in the Qualified Vendor List of the RAM supplier.

 

So, the method will be:

 

1. Choose your preferred RAM brand. For me it is GSkill. They always have top products and their webpage is well organize. You can filter by mobo (and know your RAM options) or you can filter by RAM (and know the Mobo which support that RAM).

 

2. Go to Pcpartpicker, choose your brand (Gskill) and size (2x8Gb) and short the list by first word latency, they calculate it as tCL/(Mhz/2000). 

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/#m=17&b=ddr4&Z=16384002&sort=fwl&S=3600,6600

The lower the first word latency is the better. So look for a good price and availability.

 

3. Once you think you found a good RAM candidate,, then go to the GSkill page and check if that RAM is supported for your particular Mobo:

https://www.gskill.com/configurator?page=1&cls=1529635169&manufacturer=1524715126&chipset=1612505365&model=1612506212&adSearch2=Capacity§16GB (8GBx2),

 

You can always sell your old RAM and keep the new.

 

Of course, the biggest gain will be with the CPU upgrade, but then you require new Mobo. Currently it would be better to wait about 2 months to see what are the best new CPUs for IL-2 VR (Either AMD Zen4 or Intel 13th gen)

 

[firdimigdi]

12 hours ago, dburne said:

Out of curiosity have you tested that lately with IL-2 Normandy Map full bore action in VR?

 

Sadly nothing but CPU power saves the day in singleplayer unless radical changes are made in the game engine. With the current iteration multiple AI units, likely the balloon dragging ships in BoN, bring it all tumbling down even with "weak" enemy activity in AQMB.

[chiliwili69]

8 hours ago, chiliwili69 said:

So, it will try to test this along this weekend (If my 15-yr old give me a time slot in his busy gaming sessions of the weekend...)

 

It seems the BON require a bit more of RAM now. Around 11.5 Mb. Perhaps due to new sky tech and new clouds and terrain.

check the update post:

 

[dburne]

7 hours ago, chiliwili69 said:

 

It seems the BON require a bit more of RAM now. Around 11.5 Mb. Perhaps due to new sky tech and new clouds and terrain.

check the update post:

 

 

Thanks for testing, I thought that might be the case with some graphical improvements that have happened the last couple of years or so.