Sternjaeger Posted July 21, 2014 Posted July 21, 2014 yeah, good luck selling that for those prices..
Finkeren Posted July 21, 2014 Posted July 21, 2014 Nah... I'll pass. The Buchons always remind me of a custom car gone bad. 3
Sternjaeger Posted July 21, 2014 Posted July 21, 2014 LOL what the actual f*** is that?!?! and yes, for the record these were only partially G2 fuselages, which were delivered missing many bits and bobs.. what annoys the heck out of me is that they're trying to peddle and talk about them as real 109s, as if the potential customers would be that daft.. even the asking price for their Mustang is ludicrous..
Finkeren Posted July 21, 2014 Posted July 21, 2014 LOL what the actual f*** is that?!?! It's exactly the same model car as the one parked right next to it. Can't you tell? Just like the Buchon is exactly the same as a Bf 109G2
AH_JimDandy Posted July 21, 2014 Posted July 21, 2014 Great Video Rich, thank you for sharing. "Bear"
II./JG27_Rich Posted July 22, 2014 Author Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) Great Video Rich, thank you for sharing. "Bear" I would buy all of them and go searching for some Daimler Benz engines because they were all G2s to start with. Most of the Daimler Benz 109s flying today were Buchons. Like this one Edited July 22, 2014 by II./JG27_Rich
II./JG27_Rich Posted July 22, 2014 Author Posted July 22, 2014 The British would flip out if they had to fly their Spifires around with Daimler Benz engines in them
Skoshi_Tiger Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 The British would flip out if they had to fly their Spifires around with Daimler Benz engines in them I respectfully disagree. Fighter pilots are (on the whole) very practical people. If it gave a substantial improvement to performance I recon they would jump at the chance to use it. I think it would have been the Air Ministry that would have flipped out at the idea! Not to mention the German high command at the idea of supplying engines to their opponents! After the Merlin engine was removed, it was discovered that the Spitfire's front fuselage cross-section was very close to that of the standard Bf.110G's engine cowling. A new engine support was designed, and a standard DB 605A-1 engine (Wk-Nr 00701990) was mounted to the fire wall. The work was completed at the Sindelfingen Daimler-Benz factory, near Echterdingen. A 3.0 m. diameter Bf.109G propellor was added, together with the carburettor scoop from a Bf.109G. This made the modified Spitfire's all-up weight, without armament, 6,020 lb. (2730 kg). The armament weight was an estimated additional 661 lb. (300 kg.). Its weight with armament, before the engine modification, had been 6,680 lb. (3030 kg.). After a couple of weeks, and with a new yellow-painted nose, the Spitfire returne to Echterdingen. Ellenreider was the first to try the aircraft. He was stunned that the aircraft had much better visibility and handling on the ground than the Bf.109. It took off before he realised it and had an impressive climb rate, around 70 ft. (21 m.) per second. Much of the Spitfire's better handling could be attributed to its lower wing loading. The Spitfire's wing area was about 54 sq. ft. (5m²) greater than that of the Bf.109. The Messerschmitt was faster at low altitude, but at 11,000 ft. (3350 m) the speeds evened out. The DB 605A engine gave better performance, according to the test group, than the Merlin, which was rated 150 hp below the German engine. It gave the Spitfire a ceiling of 41,666 ft. (12700 m.), about 3,280 ft. (1000 m.) more than a Bf.109G with the same engine and 5,166 ft. (1475 m.) more than that of a Spitfire Mk.V. It doesn't sound too bad a conversion.
II./JG27_Rich Posted July 22, 2014 Author Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) Shall we call it a Spitschmitt or a Messerfire Edited July 22, 2014 by II./JG27_Rich
Sternjaeger Posted July 22, 2014 Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) Rich, finding a suitable DB-605, its spares, ancillaries and install it on a Buchon frame is going to cost you another million, and you'd still have a converted Buchon, even if the fuselages were German-made.. Warbirds have become an investment, and nobody wants a warbird without a pedigree.. Edited July 22, 2014 by Sternjaeger
II./JG27_Rich Posted July 22, 2014 Author Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) Actually there's really no need for old airframes anymore you just need engines and maybe some day you will be able to buy a bran new Daimler Benz. http://www.klassiker-der-luftfahrt.de/geschichte/exklusiv-perfekte-reproduktionen-der-bf-109/495575 Edited July 22, 2014 by II./JG27_Rich
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