Encoded dial can`t TRIM

[SIA_Mal]

Hello all,

Im trying to use the encoded dial i have in my VKB NXT PRO as TRIM, i setup like in the picture for elevator and stabilizer.

On the FW 190 A-5 i can see the pin vibrating while i move the dial, but no TRIM.

So, is it possible to use it as TRIM, if not, any advice on what tu use it for

In MSFS2020 it works fine.

 

The dial butttons are the ones marked red.

[BMA_FlyingShark]

U can't use analog trim in the FW 190 (and some other planes) 'cause they didn't have analog trim in real life eather.

The real ones used buttons to trim and so you have to use buttons in game.

The reason for vibrating is that the game registers each turn on your analog controller as a small touch on the button.

Try out your controller on a 109 for instance and you'll see you can trim it analog 'cause it had an analog trim wheel in real life.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[SIA_Mal]

3 minutes ago, FlyingShark said:

U can't use analog trim in the FW 190 (and some other planes) 'cause they didn't have analog trim in real life eather.

The real ones used buttons to trim and so you have to use buttons in game.

The reason for vibrating is that the game registers each turn on your analog controller as a small touch on the button.

Try out your controller on a 109 for instance and you'll see you can trim it analog 'cause it had an analog trim wheel in real life.

 

Have a nice day.

 

As i put in the picture, the encoded dial count as buttons, b22 and b23. On the 109 i use a lever.

[Charon]

FlyingShark is right; this won't work with the 190 in BoX. The encoder works like mashing the button very very fast, but you need a button you can hold down.

 

[SIA_Mal]

16 minutes ago, Charon said:

FlyingShark is right; this won't work with the 190 in BoX. The encoder works like mashing the button very very fast, but you need a button you can hold down.

 

Yeah, i noticed that. Does it work in another plane?

Or is there anything works with an encoded dial?

[Charon]

You can use VKB's software to configure the wheel to act as a virtual axis, which should work for most planes (except IIRC the Fw 190 and the Pe-2 s35. Someone correct me if I misremember). See this thread: http://forum.vkb-sim.pro/viewtopic.php?p=44540#p44540

 

For the 190 and Pe-2, you might try setting a wider pulse width (again in VKB's software). It'll still be slow (and might also be laggy), and I don't have high expectations.

[1Sascha]

3 hours ago, Charon said:

You can use VKB's software to configure the wheel to act as a virtual axis

This.

 

 

There's not very much you cannot do to your stick's /buttons' behavior in the VKB SW. It's just a matter of deciphering the weird acronyms they use in there and the general way this thing works.  There are tutorial videos on VKB's YT-channel plus you can get help over on their board. Once you do understand how things work, it's fairly simple to use that thing, but without help, it can be a bit of a nightmare.

 

I'm pretty sure that the encoder wheel issue is mostly down to IL-2 (and many other games) not supporting these things properly. IIRC that's why they went from two encoder wheels on the Gladiator NXT to one encoder wheel and a 2-button wheel on the NXT Evo. I *think* the problem here might be that the encoder wheel will send multiple button-presses for as long as you roll the wheel into one direction - and the game somehow cannot handle that.

 

OTOH: In IL-2, I'm using my Evo's encoder wheel (in the stick's stock configuration) for either oil or water radiator shutters on the Bf 110 and that works fine.

 

 

 

S.

Edited August 12, 2022 by 1Sascha

[Charon]

The radiators in the 110 (along with the He 111, Spitfires, and Hawkers) use a different system where each button press moves the control a set percentage. It's not compatible with an analog axis, but is one of the few things in the sim that works well with encoders.

Edited August 12, 2022 by Charon

[1Sascha]

5 hours ago, Charon said:

The radiators in the 110 (along with the He 111, Spitfires, and Hawkers) use a different system where each button press moves the control a set percentage. It's not compatible with an analog axis, but is one of the few things in the sim that works well with encoders.

Yeah... after I posted that, I kinda started to suspect that radiators and trim work differently in-game. Never tried using the encoder wheel for stabilizer-trim since I use my stick's POV for that.

 

 

S.

[SIA_Mal]

Thanks for the replies.

 

I read messing with their software is not for amateurs, so i will try the Oil/Water radiators for the 110, and i remember Tempest got something similar.

 

Tried for the Spit gunsight adjstments, it moved but not very good.

 

[HankCzinaski]

In IL-2 I use them for contact altimeter and altimeter reference pressure. Woul like to find a better use for them but I couldn't be bothered to fiddle with the software.

 

In DCS I use them for setting HUD brightness and the altimeter pressure. In stock setting they work fine for that.

[Sokol1]

Here several ways to use the dials in NXT base, by AlexOZ (VKB programmer) - Google translated:

 

https://forum-il2sturmovik-ru.translate.goog/topic/13834-gladiator-nxt-профили/?tab=comments&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=pt-BR#comment-797994

 

For Fw 190 will be more "realistic" use the two positions dial of NXT base instead the encoder, as in the real plane in what is used a (ON)-OFF-(ON) switch (momentarily ON).

[1Sascha]

4 hours ago, SIA_Mal said:

I read messing with their software is not for amateurs

Nooo... it looks intimidating because it doesn't seem to be written with the average user in mind. I also thought I'd never come to grips with it, but it only took me one or two posts on the VKB board and one or two tutorial vids to get it to do exactly what I wanted. Powerful tool that looks a bit confusing at first, but you shouldn't let that deter you from using it.

 

S.

[SIA_Mal]

On 8/12/2022 at 2:50 PM, HankCzinaski said:

In IL-2 I use them for contact altimeter and altimeter reference pressure. Woul like to find a better use for them but I couldn't be bothered to fiddle with the software.

 

In DCS I use them for setting HUD brightness and the altimeter pressure. In stock setting they work fine for that.

Good idea. Will check if that doesnt conflict with other commands i have with the contact altimeter.

 

On 8/12/2022 at 3:10 PM, Sokol1 said:

Here several ways to use the dials in NXT base, by AlexOZ (VKB programmer) - Google translated:

 

https://forum-il2sturmovik-ru.translate.goog/topic/13834-gladiator-nxt-профили/?tab=comments&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=pt-BR#comment-797994

 

For Fw 190 will be more "realistic" use the two positions dial of NXT base instead the encoder, as in the real plane in what is used a (ON)-OFF-(ON) switch (momentarily ON).

Good material, thanks.

 

On 8/12/2022 at 4:25 PM, 1Sascha said:

Nooo... it looks intimidating because it doesn't seem to be written with the average user in mind. I also thought I'd never come to grips with it, but it only took me one or two posts on the VKB board and one or two tutorial vids to get it to do exactly what I wanted. Powerful tool that looks a bit confusing at first, but you shouldn't let that deter you from using it.

 

S.

I need to read more on their forum, will look into it.

[SIA_Mal]

On 8/12/2022 at 4:25 PM, 1Sascha said:

Nooo... it looks intimidating because it doesn't seem to be written with the average user in mind. I also thought I'd never come to grips with it, but it only took me one or two posts on the VKB board and one or two tutorial vids to get it to do exactly what I wanted. Powerful tool that looks a bit confusing at first, but you shouldn't let that deter you from using it.

 

S.

A followed this guide, but IL-2 didnt recognize the encoder, couldnt assign it to any function. Strangely i could move it in Windows test software.

 

[1Sascha]

4 hours ago, SIA_Mal said:

A followed this guide, but IL-2 didnt recognize the encoder, couldnt assign it to any function. Strangely i could move it in Windows test software.

Like I said before: I'm sure both my wheels (only one is an encoder on the Evo) work in IL-2. At least for radiator shutters they do. Never tried using them for anything else, since I use my throttle for lots of the essential stuff like flaps or gear.

 

I guess IL-2 gets "confused" by the way the encoder sends buttons presses or something - that's why that guide suggests turning it into an axis.

 

You might want to take your question to the HOTAS discord where lots of knowledgeable users and VKB staff are around to deal with these sorts of questions. 

 

 

https://discord.gg/szqaJE7

 

 

 

S.

[SIA_Mal]

4 hours ago, 1Sascha said:

Like I said before: I'm sure both my wheels (only one is an encoder on the Evo) work in IL-2. At least for radiator shutters they do. Never tried using them for anything else, since I use my throttle for lots of the essential stuff like flaps or gear.

 

I guess IL-2 gets "confused" by the way the encoder sends buttons presses or something - that's why that guide suggests turning it into an axis.

 

You might want to take your question to the HOTAS discord where lots of knowledgeable users and VKB staff are around to deal with these sorts of questions. 

 

 

https://discord.gg/szqaJE7

 

 

 

S.

Radiator shutter you mean the step like in BF-110? I put that there and the water on the second one.

[1Sascha]

7 hours ago, SIA_Mal said:

Radiator shutter you mean the step like in BF-110? I put that there and the water on the second one.

Yeah... on the 110, I use one of those wheels for oil radiator shutters and the other for water. Haven't flown the 110 in a bit, but I'm fairly sure the encoder is mapped to oil-rads while the other wheel is used for the water-rads. Like I said: My Evo only has one encoder wheel, the other is a simple two way switch. VKB said IIRC that they did away with the second encoder wheel on the Evo because there aren't many games that "properly" support encoder wheels.

 

S.

Edited August 26, 2022 by 1Sascha