My views on the version 4.707 n hotfixes.

[6./ZG26_Loke]

MP server flights, with ai gunners.

At least the ai reargunner on the new Me-410 is trying to hit the enemy, and actually do hit. However, the machine gun fire from the Yak, is like being hit by a 105mm shotgun on short range.
https://youtu.be/q2lvLOi5DjY

 

The ai gunner on the Ju-88 is still shooting as a drunk. When there is flown steady and "he" have a clear view to incoming enemy, he chooses to either shooting into nothing, or not at all. When the first Ju-88 in the next video fly through the gunfire from the Yak, it blows up like if the Yak was using an 88mm machine cannon. When the Yak attack the second 88, it seems that it is only using small calibers guns, and there the damage on the 88 is far more realistic. Ai gunner is still drunk, and complete useless on this aircraft. Didn’t know that was a difference on ai from aircraft to aircraft, and then again. Wasn’t there something about the gunners on Pe-2’s used to be over-super sharpshooters, compared to other ai gunners?

https://youtu.be/xryW5TU2ThU

 

The impact from the what I believe is AP machinegun fire, is way too much, it’s like WarThunder on steroids. It would be nice to see it corrected to somewhat more realistic, at least if the Devs want to keep the ground pounders and bomber pilots here.
I know some testers will refer to this and this chart, but those tests where these charts origin from, were done on stationary targets, not an aircraft in flight, with full equipment and men onboard, nore is the angle of impact, the loss of velocity, the range + speed for target a part of these charts. They do not take into account that it doesn’t take much for a projectile to tilt and tumble through the air. I know from experience, shooting with .50 cal on a 5mm metal plate.

 

Was the Me-410 really that slow and sluggish to fly? In continues throttle 60%, with a 500kg bomb, and 1000 liters fuel, it flies at 400km/t.
The Bf-110-G2, flies at 450km/t with 2 x 500kg bombs (and they are external) and with 800 liters fuel, with the same throttle setting.
Altitude on both, approx 2K, same weather and heading.

[354thFG_Panda_]

1 hour ago, 6./ZG26_Loke said:

MP server flights, with ai gunners.

At least the ai reargunner on the new Me-410 is trying to hit the enemy, and actually do hit. However, the machine gun fire from the Yak, is like being hit by a 105mm shotgun on short range.
https://youtu.be/q2lvLOi5DjY

 

The ai gunner on the Ju-88 is still shooting as a drunk. When there is flown steady and "he" have a clear view to incoming enemy, he chooses to either shooting into nothing, or not at all. When the first Ju-88 in the next video fly through the gunfire from the Yak, it blows up like if the Yak was using an 88mm machine cannon. When the Yak attack the second 88, it seems that it is only using small calibers guns, and there the damage on the 88 is far more realistic. Ai gunner is still drunk, and complete useless on this aircraft. Didn’t know that was a difference on ai from aircraft to aircraft, and then again. Wasn’t there something about the gunners on Pe-2’s used to be over-super sharpshooters, compared to other ai gunners?

https://youtu.be/xryW5TU2ThU

 

The impact from the what I believe is AP machinegun fire, is way too much, it’s like WarThunder on steroids. It would be nice to see it corrected to somewhat more realistic, at least if the Devs want to keep the ground pounders and bomber pilots here.
I know some testers will refer to this and this chart, but those tests where these charts origin from, were done on stationary targets, not an aircraft in flight, with full equipment and men onboard, nore is the angle of impact, the loss of velocity, the range + speed for target a part of these charts. They do not take into account that it doesn’t take much for a projectile to tilt and tumble through the air. I know from experience, shooting with .50 cal on a 5mm metal plate.

 

Was the Me-410 really that slow and sluggish to fly? In continues throttle 60%, with a 500kg bomb, and 1000 liters fuel, it flies at 400km/t.
The Bf-110-G2, flies at 450km/t with 2 x 500kg bombs (and they are external) and with 800 liters fuel, with the same throttle setting.
Altitude on both, approx 2K, same weather and heading.

No the Yak fires a mix of HE and AP rounds for both it's gun types and most of the damage is from the HE rounds. HE is usually what causes these arcade explosions and also why the 410 gunners actually do damage when they hit. 

[Denum]

Your 410 sortie you actually took 3 37mm HE round before the final one finished you off. That doesn't seem that far out to lunch? 

 

I'm confused. Is large calibre HE over performing or under performing?

 

The one with you blowing up in the JU88. Yup it's frustrating. Try having it multiple times a night because so many of the allied aircraft carry such large fuel tanks. 

 

Until it's addressed my desire to play this game is zero. I'm tired of getting one shot. It's dumb. 

 

Although where your 410 took 4 37mms.

 

Here's where my mosquito took a single 37mm from the ground. Hit in the rear of the aircraft and blew both wings off. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 7, 2022 by Denum

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

Loved the second video where that yak set fire in unarmored Japanese twin engines. 

[357th_Dog]

The irony of complaining that AP is too overpowered when we don't even have the correct ammunition for the HMG's. 

 

[354thFG_Panda_]

4 hours ago, 6./ZG26_Loke said:

MP server flights, with ai gunners.

At least the ai reargunner on the new Me-410 is trying to hit the enemy, and actually do hit. However, the machine gun fire from the Yak, is like being hit by a 105mm shotgun on short range.
https://youtu.be/q2lvLOi5DjY

 

The ai gunner on the Ju-88 is still shooting as a drunk. When there is flown steady and "he" have a clear view to incoming enemy, he chooses to either shooting into nothing, or not at all. When the first Ju-88 in the next video fly through the gunfire from the Yak, it blows up like if the Yak was using an 88mm machine cannon. When the Yak attack the second 88, it seems that it is only using small calibers guns, and there the damage on the 88 is far more realistic. Ai gunner is still drunk, and complete useless on this aircraft. Didn’t know that was a difference on ai from aircraft to aircraft, and then again. Wasn’t there something about the gunners on Pe-2’s used to be over-super sharpshooters, compared to other ai gunners?

https://youtu.be/xryW5TU2ThU

 

The impact from the what I believe is AP machinegun fire, is way too much, it’s like WarThunder on steroids. It would be nice to see it corrected to somewhat more realistic, at least if the Devs want to keep the ground pounders and bomber pilots here.
I know some testers will refer to this and this chart, but those tests where these charts origin from, were done on stationary targets, not an aircraft in flight, with full equipment and men onboard, nore is the angle of impact, the loss of velocity, the range + speed for target a part of these charts. They do not take into account that it doesn’t take much for a projectile to tilt and tumble through the air. I know from experience, shooting with .50 cal on a 5mm metal plate.

 

Was the Me-410 really that slow and sluggish to fly? In continues throttle 60%, with a 500kg bomb, and 1000 liters fuel, it flies at 400km/t.
The Bf-110-G2, flies at 450km/t with 2 x 500kg bombs (and they are external) and with 800 liters fuel, with the same throttle setting.
Altitude on both, approx 2K, same weather and heading.

 

Here is a video demonstrating your exact problem in action with the planes blowing up in an arcade way and so fragile.,,,,,,,

 

See here my friend what happens when you load 100% High Explosives into heavy machine guns (50cals/UBS/13mm/Breda). This ammo type is the main cause of these explosions and damage. These US type fighters aircraft stock and unmodded game carry ONLY AP and and unable to do this damage at all currently. Their power completely transformed when HE component is introduced. Doing a complete mess up of aerodynamics and exploding things left right and centre like warthunder. Do you really think this is realistic???,,,,,,,,

 

It is very clear HE NOT AP is the major culprit of the situations you have and the HE shells from the yak did that to you and your friends planes here and in the past..........,,,,

 

Edited August 6, 2022 by theRedPanda

[Hitcher]

First you got hit by 37mm HE then you got fuel tank exploded by a yak7 that fires HE and AP out of all of its guns but this is about AP somehow? AP isnt the problem here, it's how ridiculously overpowered HE ammo is and how it is currently modelled.

[69th_Mobile_BBQ]

That's interesting... Sortie: 06.08.2022 - 03:10 / 69th_Mobile_BBQ / VirtualPilots (IL2 stats) ...   One of my best accuracy ratings, unloading everything into the dead 6 of the 410 and getting lucky enough to have a friendly airfield nearby to bang in an emergency landing.   Almost all of these rounds hit the rudder and elevator (which at the very least should have stripped the skin off of all the control surfaces), yet the 410 kept flying as normal.  There was no added difficultly to the pilot to keep the plane steady.  

 

TLDR;  My first experience with Yak 9 ser.1 vs. Me 410 is that 410 has even more of a steel ass than 109s currently do.

[354thFG_Panda_]

On 8/6/2022 at 7:41 PM, 6./ZG26_Loke said:

Was the Me-410 really that slow and sluggish to fly? In continues throttle 60%, with a 500kg bomb, and 1000 liters fuel, it flies at 400km/t.
The Bf-110-G2, flies at 450km/t with 2 x 500kg bombs (and they are external) and with 800 liters fuel, with the same throttle setting.
Altitude on both, approx 2K, same weather and heading.

 

I am unable to produce those results with the conditions you have listed. Water Radiator setting for the 410 was 15% (Oil is auto) and for the 110G I have no experience with so set the Oil as 25% and water at 12% (the first notch). I have trimmed both aircraft for maximum speed...

Edited August 7, 2022 by theRedPanda

[CountZero]

22 minutes ago, theRedPanda said:

 

I am unable to produce those results with the conditions you have listed. Radiator setting for the 410 was 15% and for the 110G I have no experience with so set the Oil as 25% and water at 12% (the first notch). I have trimmed both aircraft for maximum speed...

He is probably looking at cockpit speed gauge, and that one is showing for some reason around 20-30kmh less then hud shows. Its probably bug or game decided to finaly sim poor quality of german airplane "worker" in ww2. Thats why he thinks 410 is slow.

[6./ZG26_Loke]

2 hours ago, theRedPanda said:

 

I am unable to produce those results with the conditions you have listed. Water Radiator setting for the 410 was 15% (Oil is auto) and for the 110G I have no experience with so set the Oil as 25% and water at 12% (the first notch). I have trimmed both aircraft for maximum speed...

I had for the 410 water set to approx 75%.

On the 110 water was also approx 75% and oil 50%.

1 hour ago, CountZero said:

He is probably looking at cockpit speed gauge, and that one is showing for some reason around 20-30kmh less then hud shows. Its probably bug or game decided to finaly sim poor quality of german airplane "worker" in ww2. Thats why he thinks 410 is slow.

Correct I used cockpit speed gauge. 

[=RS=EnvyC]

Mildly amusing OP is stumbling on the HE issue and attributing it to AP. That Yak was a 9T, everyone takes HE belts for it's 37mm.

[CountZero]

10 hours ago, =RS=EnvyC said:

Mildly amusing OP is stumbling on the HE issue and attributing it to AP. That Yak was a 9T, everyone takes HE belts for it's 37mm.

Since i started to play this game HE ammo was best in game, if posible ppl would take it insted AP even before that update that broken DM and ammo, where for some reason it was decided that it has to be even stronger and AP week, and now its just comical how HE behaves in game, if HE was like this in real ww2 germans would not geting rid of it later in war, if 13mm HE is blowing airplanes left and right like in game, big bombers with empty tanks would be easy targets over germany and 262 would be armed with 8x13mm insted 30mm guns, why carry big gun whe small 13mm with HE ammo is so powerfull. How DM is behaving now game is pure fantasy.

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