Developer Diary #326 - Discussion

[Livai]

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This really is our most detailed and complex map we’ve ever made and pushes our current map technology to its limit.

 

But the most detailed map is "Prokhorovka" because their heightmap is 16 times more detailed. Is the Normandy heightmap 16 times more detailed, I think not. Can the map technology create bigger maps as "Prokhorovka"  16 times more detailed heightmap, I think not. Now what is so impressive, any ideas???? I see Bodenlatte map Quality just in bigger size.............

[kendo]

Just the usual negative b&%$£**t...!

Edited August 9, 2022 by kendo

[Irishratticus72]

48 minutes ago, Livai said:

 

But the most detailed map is "Prokhorovka" because their heightmap is 16 times more detailed. Is the Normandy heightmap 16 times more detailed, I think not. Can the map technology create bigger maps as "Prokhorovka"  16 times more detailed heightmap, I think not. Now what is so impressive, any ideas???? I see Bodenlatte map Quality just in bigger size.............

Don`t do drugs, kids.

 

[simfan2015]

Il-2 forums are still a relief! 

On Steam though I learned so much about gaming in general :

- New games will all be DOA

- Nobody will be playing

- Nobody should be paying

- They always crash and burn your PC 

- They are never optimized

- Denuvo is strangling your PC

- Developer and Publishers know all this but don't care.

Silly me, I never had any clue, unlike all those expert gamers ! 

 

 

 

 

 

[IckyATLAS]

On 8/5/2022 at 11:25 PM, AEthelraedUnraed said:

The water inside the harbour is calmer, and beautifully blends with the higher seas further out.

 

If this is true it is extremely welcome as it was missing in the Kuban map mainly in Novorossiysk and Tuapse. Kerch is a more open harbour so  more difficult to manage. Calmer in the harbor and various levels of sea state depending on weather like wind strength.

 

 

On 8/5/2022 at 11:25 PM, AEthelraedUnraed said:

 

Hard to tell for sure, but it *looks* like the beautiful rolling waves from the Kuban map are making a comeback - at least on some locations.

 

We had waves on the Kuban map with varying strength. Ideally the waves should go in the direction of the wind but I suppose this will not be done and waves will always go in one unique direction whatever the wind direction. I hope to be proven wrong.

If we simply could define sea state on one side and wave direction parameter 0-360 degrees like for the wind, that would be already good. Up to us to have wind and waves direction set in a coherent way.

 

The BOBp Rheinland map sea should be upgraded in  all sense because for me it is just crap.

 

 

 

[Asgar]

On 8/5/2022 at 11:25 PM, AEthelraedUnraed said:

The water inside the harbour is calmer, and beautifully blends with the higher seas further out.

That’s not calmer water that’s dirty water. It’s from a French river after all! 

This is the Deutsche Eck in Koblenz, the river in the front is the Rhein river. That dirty one coming from the top of the picture is the Mosel coming out of France ?

Edited August 9, 2022 by Asgar

[Noisemaker]

2 hours ago, Asgar said:

That’s not calmer water that’s dirty water. It’s from a French river after all! 

This is the Deutsche Eck in Koblenz, the river in the front is the Rhein river. That dirty one coming from the top of the picture is the Mosel coming out of France ?

Well, technically, the Rhine is Swiss, and we just lend it to both of your countries.  Nice and clean since 1986 after the Schweizerhalle disaster (Don't blame me, I arrived much later).

[Youtch]

5 hours ago, IckyATLAS said:

Ideally the waves should go in the direction of the wind

Waves do not always go in the direction of the wind, although if wind blows long enough in one direction the waves will end-up following that direction.

[Asgar]

2 hours ago, Noisemaker said:

Well, technically, the Rhine is Swiss, and we just lend it to both of your countries.  Nice and clean since 1986 after the Schweizerhalle disaster (Don't blame me, I arrived much later).

I never specified a county of origin for the Rhein, I just stared where the photo was taken. Which is in Koblenz

[Noisemaker]

5 minutes ago, Asgar said:

I never specified a county of origin for the Rhein, I just stared where the photo was taken. Which is in Koblenz

Fair enough.  Enjoy our sewage.  Dropped a big one just for you, direct from Basel. 

[IckyATLAS]

12 hours ago, Youtch said:

Waves do not always go in the direction of the wind, although if wind blows long enough in one direction the waves will end-up following that direction.

You are right, this is why I propose that we have the freedom to define wind direction and wave direction.

 

And as we talk about directions it would be nice that all smoke effects without exception do follow wind direction and their angle depends on wind speed, or vertical if zero wind speed. Not all do that and it creates unrealistic scenes. I understand Jason has someone improving the effects. Time to do that for BON and so applicable to all the missions through the editor.

The most annoying are the city fires that have a fixed angle whatever wind speed. You can rotate the direction manually. But when others are vertical, these blow at angle and it creates completely weird looking scenes with vertical smoke and angled smoke in the same place. Also smoke columns of destroyed objects are not coherent with wind speed and direction.

Time to clean up all this and make it realistic and immersive once for all.

[WillyWacker]

On 8/5/2022 at 4:12 PM, Jason_Williams said:

 

Full Text and Visuals HERE.

 

Jason

Hi Jason,

just a question to the Me-410; is it planned to integrate also AP munition in the plane?

[AEthelraedUnraed]

22 minutes ago, Gerhard68 said:

Hi Jason,

just a question to the Me-410; is it planned to integrate also AP munition in the plane?

I don't think so:

  

On 8/3/2022 at 3:11 AM, LukeFF said:

Because AP rounds were not allocated to heavy fighter formations. 

 

  

On 8/9/2022 at 7:17 PM, JG1_Wittmann said:

So the 410"s that were used. In ground attack,  believe the top pilot claimed. 26 ? Tank kills.  How did they kill tanks. W 103 or bk5. And no AP ammo?   They could not have possibly not followed the standard ammo issue ,  so.....

Well, first of all, are you sure those pilots used their cannons and not just bombs?

Also, remember there's a *huge* disparity between claimed tank kills and actual tank kills. I cannot recall the exact number, but I think it's somewhere near 5% of claims were actual kills.

It's easy to imagine that a 50mm HE shell could break one of the tracks, which might be claimed as a kill by a pilot, even though there's a good chance the tank would be able to drive on after some small repairs.

[AH_Col_Hogan]

Looking at the pic of the Mossie and the beach obstacles, will there be Atlantic Wall heavy bunkers on the new map?

[AEthelraedUnraed]

15 minutes ago, AH_Col_Hogan said:

Looking at the pic of the Mossie and the beach obstacles, will there be Atlantic Wall heavy bunkers on the new map?

Yup, 3d models for Batterie Todt have already been released, as well as several other "generic" bunker types (2 different MG bunkers, 3 gun bunkers, 2 flak emplacements, 1 gun emplacement, 1 observation bunker, 1 personnel bunker). I'm not sure how much of the real-life Atlantikwall will be there, but based on the released models it's quite clear that at least some of it will be covered

[JG1_Wittmann]

At a minimum. The. Mk103"s. Inthe 410 should be able to select. Ap. Rounds.    Also,  making the bk50. Not able to choose. Ap rounds because it wasnt standard issue,  but was capale of firing it is very.idiotic, but not surprising.  Captured weapons werent "standard issue"  yet all sides used them.    It,s. An unnecessary. Handicap. 

The capability. To remove the fuses from the HE rounds should. Also be an option. To make. Impromptu. AP rounds.  Those would be capable of destdoying any. Tank. From air attack.  Or is that not possible.  That. Was a common practice,  used by all sides when ap was gone but needed

[LukeFF]

53 minutes ago, JG1_Wittmann said:

At a minimum. The. Mk103"s. Inthe 410 should be able to select. Ap. Rounds.    Also,  making the bk50. Not able to choose. Ap rounds because it wasnt standard issue,  but was capale of firing it is very.idiotic, but not surprising.  Captured weapons werent "standard issue"  yet all sides used them.    It,s. An unnecessary. Handicap. 

The capability. To remove the fuses from the HE rounds should. Also be an option. To make. Impromptu. AP rounds.  Those would be capable of destdoying any. Tank. From air attack.  Or is that not possible.  That. Was a common practice,  used by all sides when ap was gone but needed

 

I'm sorry but as it has been pointed out before, AP rounds were not issued to Me 410 formations. There's nothing idiotic about not giving a plane a type of ammunition it was never issued to carry.

[JG_deserteagle540]

Wasn't the mk103 used in some Fw190A8/F8's ? It would be very cool to swap the mk108 for a couple of mk103 on the A/F8.

 

A little bit more off topic is the 50cm cannon of the me410. Wasn't it used on the me262?

[AEthelraedUnraed]

1 hour ago, JG1_Wittmann said:

At a minimum. The. Mk103"s. Inthe 410 should be able to select. Ap. Rounds.    Also,  making the bk50. Not able to choose. Ap rounds because it wasnt standard issue,  but was capale of firing it is very.idiotic, but not surprising.  Captured weapons werent "standard issue"  yet all sides used them.    It,s. An unnecessary. Handicap. 

The capability. To remove the fuses from the HE rounds should. Also be an option. To make. Impromptu. AP rounds.  Those would be capable of destdoying any. Tank. From air attack.  Or is that not possible.  That. Was a common practice,  used by all sides when ap was gone but needed

Do you have any documentation that shows that AP was used by these weapons in Me410s?

 

Also, you might want think about getting your keyboard repaired/replaced. Your period key is malfunctioning.

Edited August 12, 2022 by AEthelraedUnraed

[LukeFF]

32 minutes ago, JG_deserteagle540 said:

Wasn't the mk103 used in some Fw190A8/F8's ? It would be very cool to swap the mk108 for a couple of mk103 on the A/F8.

 

A little bit more off topic is the 50cm cannon of the me410. Wasn't it used on the me262?

 

MK 103s on A-8s/F-8s were never operational, no.

 

Two Me 262s were fitted with a 50 mm cannon.

[BlitzPig_EL]

One of those guns is in the NMUSAF at Wright Field in Dayton.  Saw it a few weeks ago.

[CUJO_1970]

4 hours ago, JG_deserteagle540 said:

Wasn't the mk103 used in some Fw190A8/F8's ?

 

Nope. Test machines were FW190A-5. The MK-103 was never used operationally on the FW190. Pilots did not like the effect on performance or maneuverability.

 

 

The much much more compact MK-108 was the answer for the FW190, a 30mm canon compact enough to fit within the wing and had absolutely no negative effect on performance, able to kill a heavy bomber in a single pass.

 

 

 

[SOLIDKREATE]

Thanks Jason, this is good news. 

[Asgar]

10 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

Two Me 262s were fitted with a 50 mm cannon.

But not the BK-5, right? They used the newly developed revolver cannon that inspired the ADENs

[CountZero]

11 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

MK 103s on A-8s/F-8s were never operational, no.

 

Two Me 262s were fitted with a 50 mm cannon.

As mutch as TWO, thats alot when its german modifications, so it should be in game, like we have Ar-234B-2 with 2x20mm gunpod.

Why 262 cant have it ut 234 can have it?

oh yes one is fighter other is recon airplane that have to be fighter in fighter orianted game , yes yes ...

[Eisenfaustus]

13 hours ago, JG1_Wittmann said:

At a minimum. The. Mk103"s. Inthe 410 should be able to select. Ap. Rounds.    Also,  making the bk50. Not able to choose. Ap rounds because it wasnt standard issue,  but was capale of firing it is very.idiotic, but not surprising.  Captured weapons werent "standard issue"  yet all sides used them.    It,s. An unnecessary. Handicap. 

The capability. To remove the fuses from the HE rounds should. Also be an option. To make. Impromptu. AP rounds.  Those would be capable of destdoying any. Tank. From air attack.  Or is that not possible.  That. Was a common practice,  used by all sides when ap was gone but needed

No it’s not idiotic. The guns were used in an air to air role - have you evidence of any instance were 410s hunted tanks with these guns?

In it’s air to ground role it used bombs. 
And no - he doesn’t become ap if you remove the fuse. It doesn’t work like that. And I never heard of anyone doing it - at least not in the German military. There are multi purpose rounds - but that is a whole different story. 

[ITAF_Rani]

Don' t remember, will be B 26 flyble in next future?

Great  job Devs, Normandy will be great and lot of fun ahead..

Thanks

[BlitzPig_EL]

There has been no confirmation that either the B25 or B26 will be flyable.

 

I would really like to see the B26 become flyable, as it's rare in flight sims, and it's so cool looking, and of course Jason has reasons to want it flyable.  That said, either would be very welcome as the Allies need a flyable medium bomber.