Ju 52 Staffel Colors

[LukeFF]

Ju 52 units were a little bit different than bomber and dive-bomber units, in that they had 4 Staffeln instead of the typical 3. For the 4. Staffel, what was the color used for the code letter? The only example I can find of a 4. Staffel Ju 52 is this one from 4./KGrzbV 9, which has a blue code letter. Was blue the standard color for the 4. Staffel in Ju 52 units?

 

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[Robi89]

2 hours ago, LukeFF said:

Ju 52 units were a little bit different than bomber and dive-bomber units, in that they had 4 Staffeln instead of the typical 3. For the 4. Staffel, what was the color used for the code letter? The only example I can find of a 4. Staffel Ju 52 is this one from 4./KGrzbV 9, which has a blue code letter. Was blue the standard color for the 4. Staffel in Ju 52 units?

 

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As far as I'm aware, blue was the standard color for the 4. Staffel in units with 4 instead of 3 Staffeln.

 

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Edited July 25, 2022 by Robi89

[sevenless]

Standard colour code of the luftwaffe gruppe I guess?

 

green = staff

white = 1st squadron

black or red = 2nd squadron

yellow = 3rd squadron

blue = 4th squadron

[AEthelraedUnraed]

On 7/25/2022 at 7:16 PM, LukeFF said:

Ju 52 units were a little bit different than bomber and dive-bomber units, in that they had 4 Staffeln instead of the typical 3. For the 4. Staffel, what was the color used for the code letter? The only example I can find of a 4. Staffel Ju 52 is this one from 4./KGrzbV 9, which has a blue code letter. Was blue the standard color for the 4. Staffel in Ju 52 units?

 

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Regarding colours and markings, there's a really good document here: https://www.asisbiz.com/Battles/camouflage.html

 

"1. Staffel, 4. Staffel, 7. Staffel:white

2. Staffel, 5. Staffel, 8. Staffel:red

3. Staffel, 6. Staffel, 9. Staffel:yellow

Additional Staffeln: blue"

 

However, it also mentions that this system was only used for fighters. For bombers, I could only find the following regarding the system that was used immediately preceding the war. The markings changed, but perhaps the colour system was kept?

 

"------ - -- --- -- - Staffel Colour White Red Yellow Blue Green Colour ------ ----- --- ------ ---- ----- -------

Staffel 1 4 7 10 13 White

Last Letter H M R U X

Staffel 2 5 8 11 14 Red

Last Letter K N S V Y

Staffel 3 6 9 12 15 Yellow

Last Letter L P T W Z"

[sevenless]

On 8/15/2022 at 2:04 AM, AEthelraedUnraed said:

Regarding colours and markings, there's a really good document here: https://www.asisbiz.com/Battles/camouflage.html

 

"1. Staffel, 4. Staffel, 7. Staffel:white

2. Staffel, 5. Staffel, 8. Staffel:red

3. Staffel, 6. Staffel, 9. Staffel:yellow

Additional Staffeln: blue"

 

However, it also mentions that this system was only used for fighters. For bombers, I could only find the following regarding the system that was used immediately preceding the war. The markings changed, but perhaps the colour system was kept?

 

"------ - -- --- -- - Staffel Colour White Red Yellow Blue Green Colour ------ ----- --- ------ ---- ----- -------

Staffel 1 4 7 10 13 White

Last Letter H M R U X

Staffel 2 5 8 11 14 Red

Last Letter K N S V Y

Staffel 3 6 9 12 15 Yellow

Last Letter L P T W Z"

 

I think these sources should cover almost all open questions:

 

Archiv (rlm.at)

 

and 

 

Luftwaffe markings (whatifmodellers.com)

 

 

Edited August 18, 2022 by sevenless