Please developers: Things we would like to have in PILOT CAREER mode.

[1/JSpan_Wind75]

Please developers: Things we would like to have in PILOT CAREER mode.

 

• A) A request from VECTOR TO BASE (Aerodrome)
• B) An order to attack FIGHTERS
• C) An order to attack BOMBARDIERS
• D) An order "I request HELP" I have an enemy in queue, at 6
• E) A request for HELP. Let any ally come nearby they are attacking us
• F) A request by the bombers/attack aircraft (JABOS) of: FIGHTERS, HELP, THEY ARE ATTACKING US!
• G) A call from: FIGHTERS, THANKS FOR THE ESCORT!

 

If there are any more please post them in this forum thread.

 

Thanks developers in advance ?

[Gambit21]

There’s a “Suggestions” sub-forum for this.

[LukeFF]

2 hours ago, 1/JSpan_Guerrero said:

A request from VECTOR TO BASE (Aerodrome)

 

That was an extremely gamey measure in the old game that basically made proper navigation skills irrelevant. The only way something like that should come back is if the plane's technology and the ground control network at the time allowed such a thing to occur. 

[1/JSpan_Wind75]

2 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

There’s a “Suggestions” sub-forum for this.

 

I didn't know him, sorry...

30 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

Esa fue una  medida extremadamente  arriesgada en el juego anterior que básicamente hizo que las habilidades de navegación adecuadas fueran irrelevantes. La única forma en que algo así debería volver es si la tecnología del avión y la red de control terrestre en ese momento permitieron que ocurriera tal cosa. 

 

I have always been a good navigator, I personally do not need it, for years I have flown in all the competition servers configured as FULL difficulty, but we must admit that on certain maps such as Moscow, both in autumn and winter it is very difficult locate where you are, after a fight, to request and be able to rectify the course (in degrees) to return home. FOR EXAMPLE: The heading compass (icon in the left corner of the screen) is as arcadey as this theme of vectoring the base by radio via radio communication with the air base. The fact that the heading compass is not visible on certain planes is not my problem since I always fly in the Luftwaffe and it is not historical to have an icon for planes on which it is not visible.

 

Of course there was technology for this suggestion of being able to allow the location of a device through the triangulation of radio signals, and radar. In any case, it could be set as an option eligible for difficulty, since in that menu there is even unlimited ammunition. What more arcade than this? Or unbreakable plane.

[LukeFF]

2 hours ago, 1/JSpan_Guerrero said:

Of course there was technology for this suggestion of being able to allow the location of a device through the triangulation of radio signals, and radar. In any case, it could be set as an option eligible for difficulty, since in that menu there is even unlimited ammunition. What more arcade than this? Or unbreakable plane.

 

You're wildly overestimating the ability of 1940s technology to give a pilot a precise bearing to his home airfield if radio direction finding equipment was installed both in the plane and on the ground. 

 

But, that's kind of besides the point. What I was getting at with my earlier post was that in the original IL2, all I had to do was spam the "vector to home base" radio command over and over and over as many times as I wanted, and every time I'd get an instant, 100 percent reliable vector to home base. That is as unrealistic as it gets for navigation at that time. 

 

As for Moscow being a difficult map? Well, learn to navigate better by obvious landmarks, which are never far away. That's what the real guys were taught to do. ?

 

Otherwise, I will maintain that if some sort of vector to home base request was ever implemented, it needs to be tied into the technology in use at the time on the front being simulated. Or, are we really going to assume for instance that an I-16 would have the same RDF capabilities as a Spitfire in 1944? ?

Edited July 22, 2022 by LukeFF

[tattywelshie]

On 7/22/2022 at 11:03 PM, LukeFF said:

Otherwise, I will maintain that if some sort of vector to home base request was ever implemented, it needs to be tied into the technology in use at the time on the front being simulated. Or, are we really going to assume for instance that an I-16 would have the same RDF capabilities as a Spitfire in 1944? ?

Most of the early Soviet planes didn't even have radios did they? Even cases of them not having gunsights and the crew having to paint on a gunsight onto the windscreen. Think I read that in one of the "German aces speak" volumes. 

[1/JSpan_Wind75]

On 7/25/2022 at 1:47 PM, tattywelshie said:

Most of the early Soviet planes didn't even have radios did they? Even cases of them not having gunsights and the crew having to paint on a gunsight onto the windscreen. Think I read that in one of the "German aces speak" volumes. 

 

I don't know very well about having a radio, but the aiming sight thing surprises me since both German and Russian planes already faced each other in the Spanish Civil War. Another thing is that it was not an illuminated crosshead like those of the first Messer

[tattywelshie]

2 hours ago, 1/JSpan_Guerrero said:

 

I don't know very well about having a radio, but the aiming sight thing surprises me since both German and Russian planes already faced each other in the Spanish Civil War. Another thing is that it was not an illuminated crosshead like those of the first Messer

Yeah I can’t remember the name of the ace, but he was saying about the early soviet planes they faced and some of them didn’t have proper gunsights. Now this might be just a one off, I’ve read quite a few accounts about lack of radios in soviet planes. 

[Enceladus828]

On 7/22/2022 at 1:46 PM, LukeFF said:

 

That was an extremely gamey measure in the old game that basically made proper navigation skills irrelevant. The only way something like that should come back is if the plane's technology and the ground control network at the time allowed such a thing to occur. 

I totally understand your point. It's been 15 years since I played stand-alone PF but I recall if you were flying over the middle of the open ocean with no landmarks that you got a vector back to base if you requested it. However, in patch versions of IL-2 1946 there is a delay from when you request a vector to when a vector is given to you and if you request a vector while over open water you don't get one. But I've found that in the Okinawa QMB you spawn halfway between the big island and le-shima and can get vectors but seem more like a 180* turn to me.

 

I feel this feature should be added BUT, if you're flying over a place devoid of any recognizable features which can be used to know where you are such as the open ocean, halfway over English Channel, etc. then you get no vectors or are told to make a 180* turn back towards land. And when you request vectors while over a town (because you've been shot up and have no time to do this on your own in this situation) in which someone on the ground can get a ruler and draw a line between the town and home base or nearest friendly base, the time taken to do so and determine the vector is included from when you request to when you receive a vector... in which the vector is not 100% reliable. 

 

Lastly, for aircraft without radios, there should be the feature where the pilot can draw on his map where he thinks he is back to home base or the nearest friendly base so he can determine a rough vector for getting there and adjust this as necessary ?

[Flyhighzz]

On 7/27/2022 at 1:46 PM, tattywelshie said:

he was saying about the early soviet planes they faced and some of them didn’t have proper gunsights.

Hartmann said it,

“In the early days, incredible as it may seem, there was no reason for you to feel fear if the Russian fighter was behind you. With their hand-painted gunsights they couldn’t pull the lead properly or hit you.”

[tattywelshie]

34 minutes ago, Flyhighzz said:

Hartmann said it,

“In the early days, incredible as it may seem, there was no reason for you to feel fear if the Russian fighter was behind you. With their hand-painted gunsights they couldn’t pull the lead properly or hit you.”

Ah glad I wasn’t imagining reading it! 

[LukeFF]

38 minutes ago, Flyhighzz said:

Hartmann said it,

“In the early days, incredible as it may seem, there was no reason for you to feel fear if the Russian fighter was behind you. With their hand-painted gunsights they couldn’t pull the lead properly or hit you.”

 

With all due respect, Hartmann entered operational service in October 1942, so talking about the "early days" of so-called hand-painted gunsights is, dare I say, Third Reich propaganda and hearsay.

[tattywelshie]

7 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

With all due respect, Hartmann entered operational service in October 1942, so talking about the "early days" of so-called hand-painted gunsights is, dare I say, Third Reich propaganda and hearsay.

He might have been taking about his operational service?

[Eisenfaustus]

12 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

With all due respect, Hartmann entered operational service in October 1942, so talking about the "early days" of so-called hand-painted gunsights is, dare I say, Third Reich propaganda and hearsay.

True - yet I read the same in different sources. One was an Osprey volume - I‘m not sure which one anymore. During Barbarossa scores of soviet aircraft were captured and I read they were of extremely mixed quality. Many missing crucial equipment like gunsights or cockpit instruments. 
 

But as you say - I don’t think that represents the machines Hartmann himself faced. If I remember correctly he said that to explain how the situation on the eastern front had changed, when he started fighting.  

[1/JSpan_Wind75]

Adolf Galland already comments on it in one of his books and they did have painted sights but they quickly took sights like those of the Japanese Choirs or like the P40 which is an iron cross. It's ridiculous to refuse to be given a course to base. As I have already mentioned, I have been in this simulator since Oleg Madox for a lot of years!

Or how the Japanese were oriented in the Manchurian war? A map or ground reference flying over open seas or the English Channel is crucial to being able to return to base safely.

[Mainstay]

When I start a new career I would like to see in the overview what plane the pilot is flying. Instead of having to go inside the profile.