Flying Circus Airplane Details App

[marcobona]

Hi guys,

 

here is a desktop app for you that I have developed to allow you to have all the useful information about your plane and those of your opponents at your fingertips. It contains nothing new, just a summary of everything that can be found in this forum. It includes all the airplanes present in Flying Circus Vol. I, Vol. II & Vol. III. Evaluate it and let me know if it has been useful to you in any way. If nothing else, it can be used to have a window open in the background to be able to do an ALT + TAB and minimize the simulator.

Thanks to everyone who worked to provide us with the data that I was able to use in this app (their names are mentioned within the program).

There are two versions of the app, an english and a spanish one; about the spanish one I'd like to thanks a lot @LuftManu, for his work and his precious support.

 

 

Here is the OneDrive link for english version 11.25.18.42

Here is the Google Drive link for english version 11.25.18.42

Here is the OneDrive link for spanish version 11.25.18.42

Here is the Google Drive link for spanish version 11.25.18.42

 

 

All IAS and Instantaneous Turn Rate values are achieved in these conditions:

- Kuban autumn map with no wind, no clouds at 12.00 time.

- Standard load for fighters, no bombs load for bombers, 100% fuel.

 

 

 

Warning: Some antiviruses may detect the executable inside the file .rar as a Trojan virus. It's not like that. The program is safe and tested in a protected environment.

 

 

Spoiler

Main window App with values and comparisons in metric or imperial units

 

 

Scenario with all planes and Units in every phase

 

 

Detailed Cockpit views in zoomable & resizable window

 

 

Map of the Scenario in zoomable & resizable window

 

 

Ordnance loadout window with details of all weapons, bombs and rockets

 

 

Paint Schemes of every selected plane

 

 

Flyable fighters planes Ranking for every historical phase

 

 

Pilot's Notes of every selected plane

                 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 15 by marcobona
new update

[flugkapitan]

Hi Marcobona,

 

I'm having a problem with your app. Microsoft Defender does not like it at all. It nukes the download before I get a chance to tell it that the file is OK. Not having this problem with your IL2GB app.

 

I know the file is safe. If you have any suggestions, please let me know.

 

Cheers,

Scott

[marcobona]

14 minutes ago, flugkapitan said:

I'm having a problem with your app. Microsoft Defender does not like it at all. It nukes the download before I get a chance to tell it that the file is OK. Not having this problem with your IL2GB app.

 

That's strange. I've submitted this app to Microsoft Security Intelligence and I've received a no malware response. Perhaps you only have to update your Microsoft Defender security by Windows Update. Try this, otherwise you can tell to Microsoft Defender that this app is not a threat and allow it by windows defender settings.

Let me know.

[Lofte]

Hi @marcobona

There is a problem with 2 planes I guess. Plz see video below.
Error tells - "converting string "9.2" to type decimal is invalid".

 

 

Edited July 9, 2022 by Lofte

[marcobona]

29 minutes ago, Lofte said:

There is a problem with 2 planes I guess. Plz see video below.
Error tells - "converting string "9.2" to type decimal is invalid".

 

I debugged the code and I didn't find any error. I've developed this app with .Net Framework 4.8. Try to upgrade to this version of .Net and let me know if it works.

[Lofte]

5 minutes ago, marcobona said:

I've developed this app with .Net Framework 4.8. Try to upgrade to this version of .Net and let me know if it works.

I think I already have it..

 

[marcobona]

Ok. I've found the problem. I've added a new corrected version of the app. Try and let me know.

[Canvas25]

Well done @marcobona! Seems to work fine for me on those two aircraft.

[Lofte]

7 minutes ago, marcobona said:

Ok. I've found the problem. I've added a new corrected version of the app. Try and let me know.

I also can not reproduce the bug now. Thanks!

[flugkapitan]

Hi,

I updated Windows Defender this morning, it's still nuking that file before I can mark it as safe.

 

Regards,

Scott

[marcobona]

36 minutes ago, flugkapitan said:

I updated Windows Defender this morning, it's still nuking that file before I can mark it as safe.

 

Go to Windows Security Settings --> Virus & threat protection --> Current threats --> Protection history. Search my app and in the Actions select Allow.

This should solve the problem.

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

Edited July 10, 2022 by marcobona

[flugkapitan]

Hi Marcobona,

 

Thanks for those instructions - they worked!

 

I was able to download the file and launch it.

 

Regards,
Scott

[marcobona]

New version added:

 

- Corrected some Turn Rate data

- Fixed some bugs

[Bando]

Thank you very much, marcobana. Great app!!

[BMA_Hellbender]

On 7/10/2022 at 7:53 PM, marcobona said:

New version added:

 

- Corrected some Turn Rate data

- Fixed some bugs

 

Can I ask where you got the turn rate data from?

[marcobona]

47 minutes ago, Hellbender said:

Can I ask where you got the turn rate data from?

 

From here: WWI aircraft (aircraftinvestigation.info)

[BMA_Hellbender]

On 7/18/2022 at 1:21 PM, marcobona said:

 

From here: WWI aircraft (aircraftinvestigation.info)

Interesting website with a ton of data, I’ll have to check their sources. A lot of this is very different in FC.

 

Take a look here (one of the worst offe ders in FC):

 

http://aircraftinvestigation.info/airplanes/Nieuport 28C-1_1918_webversion_12dec2018.html

 

time needed for 360* turn 10.5 [seconds] at 500m
 

If only…

[marcobona]

In fact Kenneth Munson in "Fighters 1914 - 19" describes Nieuport 28 as follows:

 

 

Spoiler

 

 

It is very difficult to find data about the Turn Rate of this birds. If someone could help me I'll update my app!

 

 

Edited July 19, 2022 by marcobona

[BMA_Hellbender]

34 minutes ago, marcobona said:

In fact Kenneth Munson in "Fighters 1914 - 19" describes Nieuport 28 as follows:

 

 

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It is very difficult to find data about the Turn Rate of this birds. If someone could help me I'll update my app!

 

 

 

From the website (time needed for 360* turn at 500m):

 

• Sopwith Snipe: 9.0 seconds
• Sopwith Pup: 9.1 seconds
• Sopwith Camel: 9.1 seconds
• Sopwith Triplane: 9.1 seconds
• Fokker Dr.I: 9.3 seconds
• Hanriot HD.1: 9.4 seconds
• Sopwith Dolphin  (200hp HS8ba): 9.4 seconds
• Nieuport 23: 10.0 seoncds
• Nieuport 17: 10.1 seconds
• Airco DH.2: 10.3 seconds
• Fokker D.VI: 10.6 seconds
• Nieuport 28: 10.5 seconds
• F.E.2b: 10.7 seconds
• Bristol Fighter: 10.7 seconds
• Breguet 14.B2: 11.0 seconds
• S.E.5a (Viper): 11.2 seconds
• SPAD XIII (220hp HS8be): 11.3 seconds
• Siemens-Schuckert D.III: 11.4 seconds
• SPAD VII: 11.6 seconds
• S.E.5a (200hp HS8ba): 11.6 seconds
• Halberstadt D.II: 11.7 seconds
• Fokker D.VIII: 11.8 seconds
• Pfalz D.IIIa: 11.8 seconds
• Nieuport 16: 11.9 seconds
• Nieuport 11: 12.1 seconds
• Albatros D.Va (180hp D.IIIaü): 12.6 seconds
• Pfalz D.XII (175hp D.IIIa): 12.7 seconds
• Fokker D.VII (175hp D.IIIa): 12.7 seconds
• Fokker D.VIIF: 12.8 seconds
• Halberstadt CL.II: 12.8 seconds
• Albatros D.III: 12.9 seconds
• Albatros D.II: 13.0 seconds
• Fokker Eindecker: 13.0 seconds

 

Except for the Fokker Dr.I and D.VI there's a pretty massive Entente bias. It mostly makes sense, though, most German planes were designed for BnZ, not for turnfighting.

 

A few remarks:

 

• Sadly no Siemens-Schuckert D.IV and the SS D.III is low on that list compared to even the Nieuport 17
• The Airco DH.2, Halberstadt D.II, S.E.5a, Sopwith Dolphin, Hanriot HD.1 and Nieuport 11, 16, 17, 23 and 28 are exactly where logic dictates they should be
• The SPAD XIII outturning the Fokker D.VII is questionnable, maneuverability is one of the reasons why the Italians dropped it for the Hanriot HD.1
• The SPAD VII turning worse than the XIII is questionnable
• The Albatros D.II turning worse than the D.III is questionnable
• The Sopwith Snipe outturning the Camel and Pup is questionnable

[marcobona]

1 hour ago, Hellbender said:

Except for the Fokker Dr.I and D.VI there's a pretty massive Entente bias. It mostly makes sense, though, most German planes were designed for BnZ, not for turnfighting.

 

A few remarks:

 

• Sadly no Siemens-Schuckert D.IV and the SS D.III is low on that list compared to even the Nieuport 17
• The Airco DH.2, Halberstadt D.II, S.E.5a, Sopwith Dolphin, Hanriot HD.1 and Nieuport 11, 16, 17, 23 and 28 are exactly where logic dictates they should be
• The SPAD XIII outturning the Fokker D.VII is questionnable, maneuverability is one of the reasons why the Italians dropped it for the Hanriot HD.1
• The SPAD VII turning worse than the XIII is questionnable
• The Albatros D.II turning worse than the D.III is questionnable
• The Sopwith Snipe outturning the Camel and Pup is questionnable

 

I'm agree with your remarks, but I don't know what reliable Turn Rate put for this birds. I'll search around. 

Thanks for your precious response, and please give me all the data you can collect.

[ST_Catchov]

8 hours ago, Hellbender said:

S.E.5a (Viper): 11.2 seconds

 

She don't seem like that in FC. Is FC wrong or the data?

 

But my, the Hanriot, gosh!

[BMA_Hellbender]

4 hours ago, ST_Catchov said:

She don't seem like that in FC. Is FC wrong or the data?

 

But my, the Hanriot, gosh!

 

A bit of both. The main issue with RoF/FC is the Albatros D.III/D.Va has a sustained turn of 9 seconds at sea level (not that far off at 500m, probably 9.5-10s). FC's S.E.5a is also too fast, but doesn't climb or retain energy anywhere near as well as it should. Our Albatros D.Va is also far too slow: 170km/h rather than 187km/h. Plus it falls apart when you sneeze at it, but that's a different story.

 

As for the Hanriot: it's literally a French Camel. It's a more refined Nieuport 17/23 in full biplane rather than sesquiplane configuration with significant top wing dihedral, whereas the Camel has bottom wing dihedral. It's also lighter and has a single machinegun. The FM in RoF is pretty accurate, with a turn rate of around 10s and it can comfortably outturn the Fokker D.VII. The problem again is with the Albatros D.Va/Pfalz D.IIIa and their 9-10s second turn.

 

Also take a look at the Nieuport 28: 10.5 seconds at 500m rather than 12 seconds, and the Airco DH.2: 10.3 seconds rather than four to five business days.

 

Edited July 20, 2022 by Hellbender

[ST_Catchov]

1 hour ago, Hellbender said:

Also take a look at the Nieuport 28: 10.5 seconds at 500m rather than 12 seconds, and the Airco DH.2: 10.3 seconds rather than four to five business days.

 

You'll get no argument from me about that young man. The 28 and DH2 have been/were much maligned in FC/ROF. And they ain't alone bro. Se5a.

 

They always bring up the old "top wing fabric shred in a dive" issue in the N28 but that was fixed and she was a good kite with pleasing lines. It just so happens the S.VIII became the kite of choice and the poor old girl, vanquished and violated, vanished into the mists of time, unloved and unwanted by military stratagems.

 

But she did turn up in both versions of Dawn Patrol. 

[marcobona]

@Hellbender

 

You saw my app, the reported data must be those of FC and not the real ones, since this is a tool for players. Not having been able to test every plane I had to improvise and put Turn Rate found on the web. So, either I leave the data I found or I put the most loyal ones to FC. I could put a Turn Rate of 10s at Albatros D.Va and 12s at Nieuport 28 to begin with... and for other values?

 

[marcobona]

New version added that fixes an unit conversion problem using diffrent localized language settings.

[marcobona]

So, this is my "in sim flight" turn rate test for some birds at this conditions: 500m (1640ft) altitude, max speed, full fuel load. During the turn I kept the altitude constant and variable speed.

 

- Albatros D.Va                         9.9 secs

- Bristol F2B (F.II)                     10.6 secs

- Bristol F2B (F.III)                    10.3 secs

- Fokker D.VII                           10.8 secs

- Fokker D.VIIF                         10.4 secs

- Fokker Dr.I                             9.4 secs

- Halberstadt CL.II                   13 secs

- Halberstadt CL.II 200hp       12.5 secs

- Pfalz D.IIIa                             10.7 secs

- S.E.5a                                    11.6 secs

- Sopwith Camel                     8.6 secs

- Sopwith Dolphin                   9.5 secs

- SPAD 13.C1                           10.2 secs

 

Do you think they are reliable values for this sim? Please, let me know.

 

[marcobona]

Added spanish version of the app. You can find the link in tha main page. Thanks a lot to @LuftManu for this.

[hsthhsth]

@marcobona, thank you! Great app with all usefull information on the planes.?

[marcobona]

New version 2.5.1.1 released:.

 

- Added default Paint Schemes of all flyable planes.

- Fixed some Turn Rate data

Edited September 15, 2022 by marcobona

[marcobona]

New english and spanish version 2.6.1.1 released.

 

- Added in default Paint Schemes the ability to select skins by editor file name (as requested by members) 

- Fixed some bugs and data values.

Edited September 23, 2022 by marcobona

[Zooropa_Fly]

Instinctively, I'm not convinced a Spad13 should out-turn : DVII ; DVIIf ; Pfalz DIII ; SE5 ; and possibly the Bristols.

 

[marcobona]

1 minute ago, Zooropa_Fly said:

Instinctively, I'm not convinced a Spad13 should out-turn : DVII ; DVIIf ; Pfalz DIII ; SE5 ; and possibly the Bristols.

As I wrote here: 

But if you can get me more reliable values, I ‘m glad to fix my ones.

[marcobona]

New english & spanish version 2.7.2.1 released.

 

- Added the ability to view Arras map.

[marcobona]

New english & spanish version 2.7.3.1 released.

 

- Added the possibility to select also "Default Paint Schemes" besides "Editor File Name" (they are now synced).

- Fixed some bugs.

[marcobona]

Due to the latest official 5002 Update a new english & spanish version 2.7.4.2 has been released.

 

- Added new Paint Schemes and fixed new File Editor Names.

- Fixed some data and various improvements.

[marcobona]

New english & spanish version 3.8.4.3 released.

 

- Now hovering the mouse pointer over the plane profile you can get info about it.

- Fixed some data and various improvements.

Edited November 2, 2022 by marcobona

[PA_Keko_]

Thank you!!!!!

[marcobona]

Due to the latest official 5003 Update a new english & spanish version 3.8.4.4 has been released.

 

- Added Western Front map.

- Fixed some data and various improvements.

[Avimimus]

On 8/9/2022 at 2:25 PM, marcobona said:

So, this is my "in sim flight" turn rate test for some birds at this conditions: 500m (1640ft) altitude, max speed, full fuel load. During the turn I kept the altitude constant and variable speed.

 

- Albatros D.Va                         9.9 secs

- Bristol F2B (F.II)                     10.6 secs

- Bristol F2B (F.III)                    10.3 secs

- Fokker D.VII                           10.8 secs

- Fokker D.VIIF                         10.4 secs

- Fokker Dr.I                             9.4 secs

- Halberstadt CL.II                   13 secs

- Halberstadt CL.II 200hp       12.5 secs

- Pfalz D.IIIa                             10.7 secs

- S.E.5a                                    11.6 secs

- Sopwith Camel                     8.6 secs

- Sopwith Dolphin                   9.5 secs

- SPAD 13.C1                           10.2 secs

 

Do you think they are reliable values for this sim? Please, let me know.

 

 

There is a big difference between maximum turn rates and sustained turn rates (with or without altitude loss).

 

It'd be really great if we could somehow find a way to extract the coefficient of drag, and the coefficient of drag over lift (cd/ld) at various angles of attack for each aircraft.

 

[marcobona]

16 hours ago, Avimimus said:

There is a big difference between maximum turn rates and sustained turn rates (with or without altitude loss).

…surely true. But don’t forget that this app is only an aid for who want to play a flight simulator, and it has no claim to be an aeronautical engineering treaty!?

 

Edited November 28, 2022 by marcobona