Next theater for BoX?

[JonRedcorn]

Anything less than PTO and I will probably be skipping it. I am lying I'll buy whatever comes out but I really want to see PTO done in a modern sim. It's a god damn shame we haven't seen it done yet in any game. I guess war thunder has it? It'd sell like a god damn hotcakes. I just wanna dive on a zero in a wildcat or hellcat or rip off a dusty runway in a corsair. I'd probably tear up the first time with these modern graphics.

 

DCS has a corsair coming out, but with no other planes, no maps, no nothing for it I don't even understand the point. DCS is so dumb like that.

[DBFlyguy]

2 hours ago, JonRedcorn said:

 

 

DCS has a corsair coming out, but with no other planes, no maps, no nothing for it I don't even understand the point. DCS is so dumb like that.

Nick Grey (ED's founder) know's that Corsair is gonna make all the money regardless of what comes with it, that's why they are doing it.  ED is also working on a WWII version of the Marianas map which will be free and WWII Japanese AI assets are coming as well, the corsair is coming with an AI Zero too I think?  There's also been a running rumor that the next DCS warbird will be the F6F Hellcat which will also make all the money.  DCS isn't perfect by any means but kudos to them for actually putting something together for the pacific. Until then, I guess we've got... Warthunder ?

 

 

 

 

 

[JonRedcorn]

2 hours ago, DBFlyguy said:

Nick Grey (ED's founder) know's that Corsair is gonna make all the money regardless of what comes with it, that's why they are doing it.  ED is also working on a WWII version of the Marianas map which will be free and WWII Japanese AI assets are coming as well, the corsair is coming with an AI Zero too I think?  There's also been a running rumor that the next DCS warbird will be the F6F Hellcat which will also make all the money.  DCS isn't perfect by any means but kudos to them for actually putting something together for the pacific. Until then, I guess we've got... Warthunder ?

 

 

 

 

 

I've seen all that, besides the hellcat rumors, but we need japanese aircraft to fly... Somebody make some damn japanese planes!

[357th_KW]

Solomon’s late 1942 - late 1943 would really be the way to go.  You could have a good map from roughly Henderson field to southern Bougainville.
 

Allied side: F4F-4, F4U-1, P-38G, SBD - final slot could be a TBF or PBY or B-25.  Throw in an AI only B-24 (a must for a St Valentines Day massacre mission).  Down the road you could add collectors: F6F-3, F4U-1A, P-39D, P-40F or K or N - any of those fit nicely.

 

Axis side: A6M 21, 32, A6M2-N, Val, Betty - if the Betty isn’t doable you could make it AI only and sub in a Pete or Ki-46.  A6M 22 and 52, as well as the Ki-43 and Ki-61 could be added later as collectors.

 

If you get carriers worked out, they could get added in (Eastern Solomon’s and Santa’s Cruz were both fought in this area).as well, but you wouldn’t have to lead with them.  Most of the ships that saw action in the campaign were cruisers or smaller.

[YoYo]

We are still waiting for the news

 

[ITAF_Rani]

No PTO for sure this round....

[YoYo]

53 minutes ago, ITAF_Rani said:

No PTO for sure this round....

 

Why? Do you know something more or:

 

 

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

Han just said that ...

[YoYo]

15 minutes ago, =gRiJ=Roman- said:

Han just said that ...

 

Really? This is most anticipated next addon, why why why  ?

[FliegerAD]

Yeah, too bad.

 

Would have loved to fly VVS against IJA aircraft over Manchuria. ?

[YoYo]

Here is this post:

 

[CountZero]

3 hours ago, YoYo said:

 

Really? This is most anticipated next addon, why why why  ?

heres why:

 

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

So we know PTO is coming but not next.  However the next will contain things to lead up to PTO.  Here's my guess.

 

First is current map size of Rhineland, second is Sicily/Malta scaled to the same size as Rhineland.
 

Edited November 6, 2022 by VBF-12_Stick-95

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

Why Sicily and not Malta? Malta will bring a true aerial battle and a more different plane set ...

[CountZero]

18 minutes ago, =gRiJ=Roman- said:

Why Sicily and not Malta? Malta will bring a true aerial battle and a more different plane set ...

Map have Malta , its small but its there

 

Would it not make more sence to add later models of italian airplanes first, and do 1943 timeline of same area insted doing 40-41-42 timeline, and not be able to do 109F or E, 202 that were there but we already have them in game now, not be able to do Hurricane as its in game already... and so on...

 

If your doing this for first time you try to go with best performer airplanes, like MC205 Re2005 G55 Re2001 Re.2002 ... not expect to atract ppl with G.50 MC.200 Cr.42 Br.20 Ju87B ....

 

DiD they start west front in game with Battle of Dieppe or did they start it with uber airplanes and merica first, what would give better chance of future west front DLCs, Dieppe with SpitV and Huri vs 190A4 and G1, when we already hade same in game by that time, or ultra popular mustangs, tempests, K4s, D9, 262s and rest...

 

This way, doing 43 scenario on same area, you can add poor performing airplanes later as colector stuff, and players can still have Malta ocupation scenarious with planty of airplanes in game already on same map.

Edited November 6, 2022 by CountZero

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

33 minutes ago, =gRiJ=Roman- said:

Why Sicily and not Malta? Malta will bring a true aerial battle and a more different plane set ...

I agree.   But why not both?

 

Maybe the devs can get a carrier down without having to worry about Japanese planes.

 

 

Edited November 6, 2022 by VBF-12_Stick-95

[AEthelraedUnraed]

Honestly, there is no way to do Sicily without doing Malta. A large amount of the allied airforce for Operation Husky was based on the island. Similarly, a Malta map can't be done without a Sicily to base the Axis planes. The two are as linked as Normandy and 1942 Channel ops; make one, get the other for free.

 

The recent post by Han can be construed as hinting towards carrier ops. Which would make sense for Malta.

 

I don't quite understand where the shock comes from that the next module won't be PTO. They already said that at least a month ago.

[Enceladus828]

18 hours ago, =gRiJ=Roman- said:

Why Sicily and not Malta? Malta will bring a true aerial battle and a more different plane set ...

 

18 hours ago, VBF-12_Stick-95 said:

I agree.   But why not both?

IMO, doing the Siege of Malta from June 1940 to late 1942 and even doing Siege of Malta in just 1942 at the moment seems like a very ambitious project to me, especially considering the fact there are no early war planes used by the RAF, no aircraft carriers, the largest warship currently in the game is a destroyer, and the game engine cannot handle large amounts of aircraft most notably for Operation Pedestal.

 

The things that have to be determined:

- the start date and end date for the Pilot Career

- the plane set... which imo may require to do an installment with some early war planes and Italian planes like Finland. Otherwise the planeset may be higher than 10.

- can carriers be included as they played the biggest role here than any other carrier operations in the MTO?

- do they know enough of the events which occurred at Malta for the Pilot Career mode without spending a considerable amount of development time researching everything?

- the amount of ships... would need the Illustrious carrier, HMS Nelson, light cruiser like the Dido, Leander and Town, a few destroyer classes, a MTB, and U-class submarine; for the Axis side, Littorio battleship, Zara heavy cruiser, Condottieri light cruiser, Soldati destroyer, and Type VIIC submarine.

- can the game engine handle a convoy of 14 freighters and 1 tanker, escorted by an armada of ships, a large amount of Allied aircraft protecting it from aerial attacks, a large amount of Axis ships and planes attacking the convoy? 

- compared to an Operation Husky installment, how feasible and profitable would doing the Siege of Malta be?

 

I just feel that if you want to do the Siege of Malta then you got to get it right. At this point I find it would be a very ambitious project as there is a very little stepping stone in the game towards doing Malta, and the devs aren't like Team Fusion where they can produce 30 planes and 15 ships ranging from torpedo boats to Battleships at once.

 

I might sound a bit pessimistic here about a Malta installment, but I feel a Sicily installment should be done with Malta and Pantelleria included (so that way one can do Malta Ops with what we already have in the game) as that would be more profitable and we could get a flyable B-25, or B-26, or an AI B-24.

[fogpipe]

Of the alternatives that have been mentioned, given an improvement in general performance, i would likely buy the pacific.

[357th_KW]

3 hours ago, Enceladus said:

 

IMO, doing the Siege of Malta from June 1940 to late 1942 and even doing Siege of Malta in just 1942 at the moment seems like a very ambitious project to me, especially considering the fact there are no early war planes used by the RAF, no aircraft carriers, the largest warship currently in the game is a destroyer, and the game engine cannot handle large amounts of aircraft most notably for Operation Pedestal.

 

Those are all fair points, but keep in mind we just got a Battle of Normandy where we can’t actually put anything close to the actual Normandy invasion fleet in the water.  Before that we got a Battle of Bodenplatte with a picture depicting the Legend of Y-29 as the cover art, and the game can’t even reproduce that mission (80+ aircraft in the sky over Y-29 at the same time, plus flak etc).  So I’d say that just because the largest battles can’t be recreated on an exact 1:1 ratio, doesn’t make a module impractical.

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

12 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

**snip**

 

I don't quite understand where the shock comes from that the next module won't be PTO. They already said that at least a month ago.

I would absolutely love that, more than Sicily/Malta, even if it skipped the carriers and dealt with such areas as Guadalcanal or New Guinea.

[YoYo]

I think it will be Winter War  (there are still not all soviet planes, and now that Jason is not there, it's hard to say about the direction of future project - more west or more east fronts ) but who knows! Italy/Malta or Battle of France are welcome too if we cant talk about Pacific! And it would also be fun to see Chinese theater and "Flying Tigers".

Edited November 8, 2022 by YoYo

[AEthelraedUnraed]

9 hours ago, VBF-12_Stick-95 said:

I would absolutely love that, more than Sicily/Malta, even if it skipped the carriers and dealt with such areas as Guadalcanal or New Guinea.

The question is not whether people would love the PTO. It's beyond doubt that a PTO module would be popular. It's also not a question of weather the Devs would like to make such a module; they've repeatedly said they would, and during the recent interview they all-but confirmed that a carrier-less module such as Guadalcanal was in the top 5 candidates for the next module; perhaps even the no. 2 candidate.

 

However, the question is what the *next* module is, and the Devs confirmed twice already that it won't be PTO this time around. Anyhow, we'll likely know what it is by tomorrow afternoon

 

Han did imply in a recent post that the next module will lay some groundwork for a later Pacific module however. Assuming he means carrier ops, this too points towards a Mediterranean module, although it could just as well mean any other tech that a PTO module would need, including behind-the-scenes tech.

[PePi]

3 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

The question is not whether people would love the PTO. It's beyond doubt that a PTO module would be popular. It's also not a question of weather the Devs would like to make such a module; they've repeatedly said they would, and during the recent interview they all-but confirmed that a carrier-less module such as Guadalcanal was in the top 5 candidates for the next module; perhaps even the no. 2 candidate.

 

However, the question is what the *next* module is, and the Devs confirmed twice already that it won't be PTO this time around. Anyhow, we'll likely know what it is by tomorrow afternoon

 

Han did imply in a recent post that the next module will lay some groundwork for a later Pacific module however. Assuming he means carrier ops, this too points towards a Mediterranean module, although it could just as well mean any other tech that a PTO module would need, including behind-the-scenes tech.

I would love Sicily/Malta. But I wonder if Murmansk/Arctic convoys would satisfy the requirements Han has mentioned for the next module? Tomorrow we'll know ?

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

44 minutes ago, PePi said:

Tomorrow

Why tomorrow?

[VBF-12_Stick-95]