Next theater for BoX?

June 21, 2022

3 hours ago, CountZero said:

Also regarding players thinking BoFrance is something GB will do, CloD have map and airplanes for it.

Firstly wishing something believing it will happen are different things. Most advocates of BoF seem to do the first - me included.
Secondly no, CLOD doesn’t have the French airforce. It has the the D520 which is one plane that played no important role in the BoF.
Thirdly - BoF were mostly small tactical engagements befitting the GB engine - just saying

June 21, 2022

3 hours ago, CountZero said:

How many landing ships did we got shown in DDs in one place 20 tops, and that small ships with 1-2 AA gun, and i bet you aint gona be able to build missions with 100 of them. I have hard time beliving that BB or carrier with 50-80 AA guns would make game playable when placed in mission considering that every single aa positions has their own ai brain. Nothing is limiting factor when you spend money to optimise game engine, they would have to optimise it as now it would not work.

I tried simulating the channel dash using anti-aircraft guns... and it can't be done. One Scharnhorst class alone has 40 anti-aircraft guns... so that is 80 even without the Prinz Eugen and all of the escorts. It can't be done.

20 hours ago, =VARP=Ribbon said:

I think you're overthinking about it too much!

I really don't care what Jason said or gonna do, i just gave feedback as a long time customer that i'll only buy PTO or medium bomber (b25/26) or torpedo bomber.

After all these years and expansions with basically same gameplay only PTO (or torpedo and medium bombers) can get my money.....it is a natural thing i guess, old player wanting new gameplay!

What ever it'll be i wish them luck!

I'm all for new gameplay - but there are other possible sources of new gameplay other than what you listed. Let me know if you'd like ideas!

39 minutes ago, Eisenfaustus said:

Firstly wishing something believing it will happen are different things. Most advocates of BoF seem to do the first - me included.
Secondly no, CLOD doesn’t have the French airforce. It has the the D520 which is one plane that played no important role in the BoF.
Thirdly - BoF were mostly small tactical engagements befitting the GB engine - just saying

As mentioned by Eisenfaust, the D.520 was used in very small numbers. It was retained as the standard type for use by the Vichy French and also used by Italy later in the war.... but it wasn't that important during the Battle of France.

Cliffs of Dover could do with at least five or six aircraft for the Battle of France...

- Fairey Battle (used in very large numbers) and possibly the Lysander (also widely used in the opening week)

- At least one or two of the French fighters that actually saw use in numbers (MS.406, MB.152 or Hawk 75)

- A French bomber (ideally both a modern LeO 451 and an older night bomber)

- Maybe a two-seat multi-purpose aircraft (Potez 63.11 and 630).

We have none of that! No relevant French fighter, no French bomber, no French multirole...

In comparison we have two English bombers flyable (Blenheim and Wellington), plus three English support aircraft (equivalent to the multi-role aircraft) and three English fighters...

June 21, 2022

1 hour ago, Eisenfaustus said:

Firstly wishing something believing it will happen are different things. Most advocates of BoF seem to do the first - me included.
Secondly no, CLOD doesn’t have the French airforce. It has the the D520 which is one plane that played no important role in the BoF.
Thirdly - BoF were mostly small tactical engagements befitting the GB engine - just saying

CloD have more airplanes used in BoF then any 5v5 GB would have, add MS406 and one of the Potez bombers and its done.

Pll who wont to expiriance BoB or BoF in modern flying sim can do so in CloD, and there isent that big interest for it as shown by nonexistant player numbers there.

June 21, 2022

I am not a big fan of leaving loose ends, if this started in Europe. Europe must have a ending before moving the things to PTO.

But sure there is a thing. Germany has most of their fighters with THE exception of Bf-109G-10, 190A-9, and AS Modifications to current G-6 G-6 Late and G-14.
Therefore, in Europe one has 2 options, and 2 options LEFT before Pacific.: Berlin, or another operation in 1945-1944 for eastern front.

Things are clear there.Eastern front have not seen a new module since Kuban, and that was a long time ago. And Russia needs late stuff as well. Germany only needs those 2 fighters previously mentioned, and tons, TOOONS of different medium bombers.

Provisionally i thought about this planes for a possible Battle of Berlin Module, and, since new maps are huge, exactly doesn't need to be Berlin Battle, just like Bodenplatte, the map works for tons of different things. Per se, i don't really want to read someone yelling that adding Battle of Berlin doesn't have sense because Germany didn't have anything in that point of the war. That purist way of thinking is to close minded, and in my honest opinion, hurts the simulator more than help it to shine because could have variety of content.

Axis:

Bf-109G-10

Fw-190A-9

Bf-109G-14AS Modification inclusion (Not a new plane, modification to current G-14)

Do-217M

Do-217N

Salamander Jet (He-162) (Collector)

Russia:
Yak-3

Yak-9U

La-7

P-63 Kingcobra (Collector)

Il-2 1944

Tu-2

IL-10

This is already to much for ppl which want this as collectors

Plus: Easter Front gives the chance of Tank Crew II

Then, there is Italy. A Western thing which is better to not forgot that actually exists.

Italy is a bit tricky. Since 109G-10 can be added, for Salo Reppublic, but is better do not do that in order to adding the G-10 later in a Russian Front Module.

As well, Italy has the same syndrom of "Works for a lot of time" and some planes added previously can be seen there already.

Therefore, my provisional list for a Italy front is:

Italy:

MC-205V Veltro Serie III

Fiat G-55 Centauro Serie I

MC205CN Orione

Regianne 2005 Sagittario(Collector)

SM-79 Sparviero

Do-217K-2 (Fritz X development)

Bf-109G-14AS Mod implementation (In case that Italy enters first)

Bf-109G-6AS Mod implementation (No MW50, mod for early and late versions as well)

Allied side:

Spitfire Mk VIII

P-38G

P-47C

P-40N

A-36 Apache (Collector)

A-26 Invader (Yes, can be added for Italy)

As well. MC202 MC205V could be used for allies for the Allied Italy.

In any case, this works without add German Fighters SINCE, they can be used already, they are in the game mostly for this front, with work over the current planes will be enough, and the lasts could be reserved for a Easter Front where Italy doesn't have presence.

Then, after close like that the ETO (Including Eastern front) Then, Pacific would be an option for me, since i don't feel the sense of loose end.

To be fair, the "monotony" of ETO in Pacific will last just one module, which would be the first one, then, the same sensation will come. Because will be te same always unless invasions like Port Moresby, and that would feel like a Normandy 1.8 with Jap planes, which, there is no much variety of fighters, becasue i heard ppl complain about the soooo diverse variety of Bf-109s and 190s. Telling that they are the same....
Kinda that pisses me off, because besides that could be a comment product of ignorance, whichs doesn't have anything wrong, is not like allied side doesn't have diversity of the same type of planes, in the SAME AMMOUNT (P-40 variants, P-47 variants, Spit variatns, P-51 variants) And when it comes to PTO. Heeelll that happens a lot. And that reveals a bias which is not argument to claim such thigns. Specially if the focus of the rejection is the German planes.

In my honest opinion. Adding pacific just will change the terrain, in adition to american naval planes which are THE object of multiple fans. As well, Zeros. Which have some fans overe there. But as well and happens with ETO. The variety of things is not so huge as most of "No more Europe" claims, that makes my opinion more stronger. European Theater needs to have a PROPPER ending, not leaving it like a loose end and move to pacific.

Italy and Berlin needs to be in the sim. Is more easier to work under the stablished things instead of add carriers, cruisers, battleships, model how they actually are no joke in terms of "How i am gonna sink one ship in that task force". The difficulty of add coms with the carrier in order to come back to home. And more.

As far i think, best course of action is still in Europe.

Edited July 13, 2022 by -332FG-Ursus_

June 21, 2022

2 hours ago, CountZero said:

Pll who wont to expiriance BoB or BoF in modern flying sim can do so in CloD, and there isent that big interest for it as shown by nonexistant player numbers there.

I would argue this is a somewhat flawed assertion for many reasons.

1. CLoD is CLoD and "Aces over Europe" was "Aces over Europe" and "Red Baron" was amazing. Just because someone else attempted to do something at some point in the past doesn't make it holy. Heck, why would 1C publish and develop "flying Circus" when they had ties to Rise of Flight? They did it because they could improve it and it made them money.

2. Arguing that CLoD is being actively developed by a major flight sim company and thus relevant in the il2/DCS WWII space is debatable at best. I am NOT knocking the guys at CLoD, I am sure they have done amazing work and they have a happy following. The fact is, CLoD isn't close to the quality of GB or even DCS (and in my opinion DCS WWII is in horrible shape).

3. Non-existent player numbers with decade old heavily repackaged (some might say modded) games with minimal publishing support doesn't mean there isn't any interest. It simply means there isn't enough unique interest to leave one ecosystem to go to another (with things lacking like VR and a modern UI).

4. We can assume CLoD gives some proceeds to GB; but none of us know how much money that is. Is it so much money they would rule out doing BOB or BOF in GB? Maybe, maybe not. None of us see their financials.

June 21, 2022

On 6/20/2022 at 4:12 AM, Sobilak said:

1) Bagration operation (We have staff for it. We need map "only").

2) West front over channel (We have staff, we almost have map "Normandy", need some map modifications)

3) If PTO will be possible maybe New Guinea 1942-1944 ( we have P-40E, B-25D, A-20B, P-38J, P-47D-22 but need a lot of new versions; P-40F/K, P-38F/G, B-25G/J, A-20G, Beufighter, A6M21, Ki-43, Ki-21, G4M, ...?, new map, some ships but without carriers, cars, cannons etc.) A lot of work and time but I think it's worth.

Number 3...

Carriers can be collector ships. They would sell alot..

June 21, 2022

1 hour ago, WIS-Redcoat said:

Heck, why would 1C publish and develop "flying Circus" when they had ties to Rise of Flight?

It's because the game engines are very similar to one another. The CloD game engine is completely different from the IL-2 GBs engine. In fact, CloD has its roots in the IL-2 1946 engine while GBs has its roots in Rise of Flight: two completely different games made by two different developers. Therefore, 'the Flying Circus treatment' would not work the same way for CloD.

1 hour ago, WIS-Redcoat said:

Arguing that CLoD is being actively developed by a major flight sim company and thus relevant in the il2/DCS WWII space is debatable at best... The fact is, CLoD isn't close to the quality of GB

Now that Team Fusion has the source code to the original game and their work and products are now an official product instead of a mod then I would argue that they are indeed a major flight sim company. I mean, IL-2 Sturmovik (2001) and Rise of Flight (2009) were the first games, let alone flight sims, that 1C: Maddox Games and 777 Studios released so would you say that they weren't nor had the potential to be major flight sim companies then?

IL-2 GBs may be better than CloD in some areas but I'd argue that CloD is superior to GBs in other areas like FMs, DMs (they much more detailed, you can get "Landing Flaps Kinematic failure" and many other things), ability to have 200 bombers at once, can have many ships like Battleships, Heavy and Light Cruisers, etc. and many other things. You have to spend a considerable amount of time playing both games and looking at more than just one or two aspects before making your judgement.

1 hour ago, WIS-Redcoat said:

It simply means there isn't enough unique interest to leave one ecosystem to go to another (with things lacking like VR and a modern UI).

I'd argue that things like tactical codes, drop tanks, Air Marshall feature and other things for IL-2 GBs took longer than planned to add or have been delayed with an unknown ETA, yet nobody really complains about that and just gives up altogether on the game until they are added.

VR and a new UI are coming; it's just taking a bit longer than planned due to unforeseen problems and/or situations going on in the world right now.

1 hour ago, WIS-Redcoat said:

Is it so much money they would rule out doing BOB or BOF in GB?

Let me ask you this, what would the point be in the devs spending almost 2 years making an IL-2 GBs BoB as the next installment after BoN when there's already a very much complete version of it in CloD Blitz, wouldn't it make more sense to go somewhere that neither team has covered? Tbh, this wouldn't be that profitable as probably only a few people would buy this version compared to something else like the Pacific or Battle of Berlin. Also, what if there are game engine limitations and many more reasons than simply CloD already there which currently prevent the devs from even doing an accurate version of the Battle of Britain?

If you really want an IL-2 GBs Battle of Britain you pretty much already have it -- a 1941 version. That's still better than not being able to recreate it in someways at all.

Cheers

Edited June 21, 2022 by Enceladus

June 21, 2022

8 hours ago, Eisenfaustus said:

Firstly wishing something believing it will happen are different things. Most advocates of BoF seem to do the first - me included.
Secondly no, CLOD doesn’t have the French airforce. It has the the D520 which is one plane that played no important role in the BoF.
Thirdly - BoF were mostly small tactical engagements befitting the GB engine - just saying

I am not sure why the D520 role is being downplayed in BoF, but....

I don't think Team Fusion has plans to create a BoF, to begin with. Plus, Jason responded directly by stating that he wasn't sure if the planset would sell.

I,II,III/3 primary aircraft was D520 (the other a/c was MS 406. Also, II,III/6 40% of the a/c was D520. II,III/7 about 25% were D520.

I,II/4 and 5 flew the Curtis H75 exclusively, while I,II/1 and I,II, 8 flew the Block 152.

If you are going to say the D520 played a small role, then you have to say the MS 406 also did given the same units flew both a/c.

June 21, 2022

Should be able to find things needed in these archives..

Spoiler

Foreign Equipment Branch, Technical Data Laboratory, Air Technical Service Command

FE-130	Mitsubishi A6M5 Zero
		MSN 4340. ‘61-108’ 261stKokutai. Previously TAIC 7. Evaluation Branch, Technical Data Laboratory, Technical Service 
		Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH Dec44. Army Proving Grounds, Eglin Field, Florida 2Jan45 for armament testing. 
		Foreign Equipment Branch, Technical Data Laboratory, Air Technical Service Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH Apr45. 
		Evaluated at Dayton Field and Wright Field. As of 13Jul45, this Zero had flown for 93 hours and 15 minutes in 
		Allied hands. Renumbered as T2-130.  Initially marked ‘TAIC 8’, then FE-130 and T-2-130. It was tested by USAAF 
		at Wright Field, OH, before being moved to Eglin Field, FL, during 1945.

FE-150	Tachikawa Ki-94-II single engine high altitude fighter
		Prototype; completed Aug45, not flown by time of Japanese surrender. Surrendered to US forces at Tachikawa, Tokyo. 
		Shipped to the USA. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, 
		Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown, Pennsylvania.
		Renumbered as T2-150.

FE-151 Mitsubishi Ki-83 experimental long range fighter
After the end of the war US forces were surprised to find a Ki-83, because it was an aircraft they knew nothing
about before the occupation of Japan. After the discovery, the Ki-83 was flight-tested by the Allies at the
Matsumotu Army Air Base in Japan. In December 1945 the Ki-83 was shipped to NAS Alameda, San Francisco,
California aboard the USS Tulagi (CVE-72) escort carrier. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical
Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown,
Pennsylvania Feb46. Renumbered as T2-151.
FE-152 Rikugun Ki-93 twin-engine heavy fighter/ground attack aircraft
Uncompleted second prototype. Shipped to the USA. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data Laboratory,
Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown, Pennsylvania Feb46.
Renumbered as T2-152.
FE-153 Tachikawa Ki-87 experimental high-altitude fighter
(MSN 8701) Prototype. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA 16Dec45 on USS Bogue (CVE-9), arriving at the
Military Ocean Terminal, Bayonne, New Jersey, Jan46. Atlantic Overseas Air Materiel Center, Newark Field, NJ.
T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH.
Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown, Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-153.
FE-154 Tachikawa Ki-77 experimental long-range research plane
A low-wing cabin monoplane with twin piston engines and a tail wheel undercarriage, Tachikawa A-26 (Ki-77) No 1
was derived from a design commissioned by the Asahi Shimbun newspaper to break the flight distance record set
by a rival. Due to war preparations nothing came of the intended non-stop flight to Berlin, but the plan was
revived when an Italian plane managed to visit Japan. It was the intention that the 2nd prototype should make
the attempt, but it vanished during the flight, probably shot down by long-range allied fighters. The sole
remaining first prototype of the Tachikawa Ki-77, that in the meantime had been used to set an inland
distance record, was found by US forces at the end of the war at Yamanashi airfield in Japan. Shipped from
Yokosuka, Japan to the USA 16Dec45 on USS Bogue (CVE-9), arriving NAS Alameda, California 8Jan46. T-2 Office
of Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH.
Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown, Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-154.
FE-155 Nakajima Ki-87 high-altitude fighter interceptor
(MSN 8701) Uncompleted second prototype. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA 16Dec45 on USS Bogue (CVE-9),
arriving at the Military Ocean Terminal, Bayonne, New Jersey, Jan46. Atlantic Overseas Air Materiel Center,
Newark Field, NJ. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command,
Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Renumbered as T2-155.
FE-156 Nakajima Ki-115a Tsurugi kamikaze aircraft
(MSN 1002) Captured at Nakajima No.1 Plant, Ota, Giumma, Japan. Shipped to the USA. T-2 Office of Air Force
Intelligence, Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Renumbered as T2-156.
FE-201 Mitsubishi A6M3 Zero (Allied code name ‘Hamp’, later ‘Zeke’)
(MSN 3030) Previously EB-201. Foreign Equipment Branch, Technical Data Laboratory, Air Technical Service Command,
Wright Field, Dayton, OH 19Feb45. Out of service in good condition at Hangar 5, Wright Field 1Sep45;
being used to evaluate stability and control characteristics.
FE-263 Kawasaki Ki-61 Hien (Tony)
(MSN 263) Previously TAIC 9. By Jul44 the aircraft was among the aircraft, equipment, documentation and personnel
aboard a 'Victory Ship' heading for San Francisco, from where the whole establishment were taken by train to
its new 'Hangar 151' facility at Washington. Upon arrival it was again scheduled for repair, by which time it
had been renumbered as TAIC 9.During January 1945, by now possibly as FE-263, it was painted back in
pseudo-Japanese markings and evaluated against the Wildcat, Corsair, Hellcat, Tigercat and Bearcat, but the
tests were suspended when bearing metal was found in the engine oil. Foreign Equipment Branch, Technical Data
Laboratory, Air Technical Service Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. The aircraft crashed at Yanceyville,
North Carolina on 2Jul45, and was written off.

FE-300 Mitsubishi J8M1 Shusui 1 rocket-powered interceptor fighter
(MSN 403) Captured at the Mitsubishi Nagoya plant. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA 3Nov45 on
USS Barnes (CVE-20), arriving Norfolk, Virginia 7Dec45. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data
Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown, Pennsylvania.
Renumbered as T2-300. In Jul 2016 was still at the Planes of Fame Museum, Chino, CA.
FE-301 Nakajima Ki-84-I Otsu (Allied code name ‘Frank')
(MSN 3060) This aircraft was one of two Ki-84's captured at the Nakajima Utsunomiya Plant in Japan after the
end of the war. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA 3Nov45 on USS Barnes (CVE-20), arriving Norfolk,
Virginia 7Dec45. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command,
Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown, Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-301.
FE-302 Nakajima Ki-84-I K? Hayate (Allied code name ‘Frank')
(MSN 2366) This aircraft was one of two Ki-84's captured at the Nakajima Utsunomiya Plant in Japan after the
end of the war. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA 3Nov45 on USS Barnes (CVE-20), arriving Norfolk,
Virginia 7Dec45. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command,
Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown, Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-301.
FE-303 Nakajima Ki-44-1I Shoki (Allied code name ‘Tojo’)
(MSN 1677 or 1841) Captured at Tachikawa, Tokyo. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA 3Nov45 on
USS Barnes (CVE-20), arriving Norfolk, Virginia 7Dec45. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical
Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown,
Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-303.
FE-304 Kawasaki Ki-102b high altitude fighter (Allied code name ‘Randy’)
Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA 3Nov45 on USS Barnes (CVE-20), arriving Norfolk, Virginia 7Dec45.
T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH.
Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown, Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-304.
FE-N305 Kawanishi N1K2-J Shiden Kai (Allied code name George)
(MSN 5341) Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data Laboratory,
Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown, Pennsylvania.
Renumbered as T2-N305.
FE-N306 Kawanishi N1K2-J Shiden Kai (Allied code name George)
(MSN 5128) Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data
Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown,
Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-N306.
FE-307 Nakajima Ki-44-1I Shoki (Allied code name ‘Tojo’)
(MSN 1677 or 1841) Captured at Tachikawa, Tokyo. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA 3Nov45 on USS Barnes
(CVE-20), arriving Norfolk, Virginia 7Dec45. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data Laboratory,
Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown, Pennsylvania.
Renumbered as T2-307.
FE-308 Kawasaki Ki-102b high altitude fighter (Allied code name ‘Randy’)
Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA 3Nov45 on USS Barnes (CVE-20), arriving Norfolk, Virginia 7Dec45.
T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH.
Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown, Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-308.
FE-309 Kawasaki Ki-102b high altitude fighter (Allied code name ‘Randy’)
Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA 3Nov45 on USS Barnes (CVE-20), arriving Norfolk, Virginia 7Dec45.
Atlantic Overseas Air Materiel Center, Newark Field, NJ. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data
Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Atlantic Overseas Air Materiel Center, Newark Field, NJ.
Renumbered as T2-309.
FE-310 Kawasaki Ki-102b high altitude fighter (Allied code name ‘Randy’)
Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA 3Nov45 on USS Barnes (CVE-20), arriving Norfolk, Virginia 7Dec45.
Atlantic Overseas Air Materiel Center, Newark Field, NJ. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data
Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Atlantic Overseas Air Materiel Center, Newark Field, NJ.
Renumbered as T2-310.
FE-311 Mitsubishi A6M8 Model 64 Zero-Sen (Allied code name ‘Zeke’)
One of two prototypes completed. Surrendered at Misawa. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA. T-2 Office of
Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown
Air Materiel Area, Middletown, Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-311.
FE-N312 Kawasaki Ki-100-1b Type 5 fighter
Captured at Tachikawa, Tokyo. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence,
Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area,
Middletown, Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-N312.
FE-N313 Kawasaki Ki-61 Hien (Allied code name ‘Tony’)
Captured at Otami, Osaka. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence,
Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area,
Middletown, Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-N313.
FE-N314 Kawasaki Ki-100-1b Type 5 fighter
(MSN 13012) Captured at Komaki. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence,
Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area,
Middletown, Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-N314.
FE-N315 Kawasaki Ki-100-1b Type 5 fighter
Captured at Komaki. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical
Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown,
Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-N315.
FE-N316 Kawasaki Ki-61 Hien (Allied code name ‘Tony’)
Captured at Otami, Osaka. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence,
Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area,
Middletown, Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-N316.
FE-N317 Kawasaki Ki-100-1b Type 5 fighter
Captured at Komaki. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical
Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown,
Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-N317.
FE-N318 Mitsubishi J2M5 Raiden (Allied code name 'Jack')
Captured at Atsugi. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence,
Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area,
Middletown, Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-N318.
FE-N319 Mitsubishi J2M5 Raiden (Allied code name 'Jack')
Captured at Atsugi. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical
Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown,
Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-N319.
FE-N320 Mitsubishi J2M3 Raiden (Allied code name 'Jack')
Captured at Atsugi. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical
Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown,
Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-N320.
FE-N321 Mitsubishi J2M3 Raiden (Allied code name 'Jack')
Captured at Atsugi. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical
Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown,
Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-N321.
FE-N322 Mitsubishi A6M7 Model 62 'Zero'
(MSN 23186) Assigned to the Yokosuka K?k?tai with tail code ?-143. After the war it was captured at Misawa,
a testing facility operated by the First Naval Air Technical Bureau (Dai-Ichi Kaigun Koku Gijitsusho,
or in short Kugisho in Japanese, equivalent to the US Navy Bureau of Aeronautics BuAer) at Yokosuka Airfield.
Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA 3Nov45 on USS Barnes (CVE-20), arriving Norfolk, Virginia 7Dec45.
T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH.
Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown, Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-N322.
FE-N323 Mitsubishi A6M5 Model 52 'Zero'
Shipped to the USA. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command,
Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown, Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-N323.
FE-N324 Kawanishi N1K1 Ky?f? floatplane fighter (Allied code name Rex)
Captured at Sasebo. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA 16Nov45 on USS Core (CVE-13) arriving NAS Alameda,
California. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field,
Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown, Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-N324.
FE-325 Kawasaki Ki-45-Kai Hei twin-engine night fighter (Allied code name 'Nick')
(MSN 3303) Tested by TAIU-SWPA at Clark Field, Philippines, 1945 as aircraft ? S22, it differed from the more
well-known Ki-45 ? S14 by having two upward firing cannon behind the pilot seat. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan
to the USA 16Nov45 on USS Core (CVE-13) arriving NAS Alameda, California. As ? S22 was seen being transported
to the USA, it is likely to be one of the two Ki-45 that was later tested in the USA (FE-325 or FE-701), as
both had the upward firing cannon too. As the sole remaining Ki-45 airframe, that of FE-701, is not known
to have been at Clark Field FE-325 is the most likely candidate. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence,
Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area,
Middletown, Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-325.
FE-326 Kyushu J7W1 Shinden experimental interceptor fighter
Second prototype; not flown. Captured at Kyushu. Shipped to the USA. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence,
Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area,
Middletown, Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-326.

FE-701	Kawasaki Ki-45-Kai Hei (Allied code name 'Nick')
		(MSN 4268)	Captured at Fujigaya, Japan 1945. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA 16Nov45 on USS Core (CVE-13) 
		arriving NAS Alameda, California. On 8Dec45 the Navy transferred the aircraft to the USAAF at Langley Field, 
		Virginia. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, 
		Dayton, OH. Shipped to the Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown, Pennsylvania, for overhaul and flight test. 
		During the next few months, the aircraft was extensively test-flown at Wright Field, Dayton, Ohio, 
		and NAS Anacostia, MD. Renumbered as T2-701.

Can't imagine the data is still classified after this long. Only problem would be how to access it.

Website: http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_serials/Captured_Axis_Aircraft.html

Cheers

June 22, 2022

I personally would not want to see Battle of Britain in Great Battles. Not in this current engine, there is absolutely nothing exciting...or realistic about a flight of 4-6 spitfires/hurricanes intercepting maybe 4-6 Do-17s escorted by 6 109s. The Great Battle engine would need a major update to even come close to accurately depicting the battles that took place during that campaign. Leave it to CloD for the Battle of Britain.

1 hour ago, Hoss said:

Should be able to find things needed in these archives..

Reveal hidden contents

Foreign Equipment Branch, Technical Data Laboratory, Air Technical Service Command

FE-130	Mitsubishi A6M5 Zero
		MSN 4340. ‘61-108’ 261stKokutai. Previously TAIC 7. Evaluation Branch, Technical Data Laboratory, Technical Service 
		Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH Dec44. Army Proving Grounds, Eglin Field, Florida 2Jan45 for armament testing. 
		Foreign Equipment Branch, Technical Data Laboratory, Air Technical Service Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH Apr45. 
		Evaluated at Dayton Field and Wright Field. As of 13Jul45, this Zero had flown for 93 hours and 15 minutes in 
		Allied hands. Renumbered as T2-130.  Initially marked ‘TAIC 8’, then FE-130 and T-2-130. It was tested by USAAF 
		at Wright Field, OH, before being moved to Eglin Field, FL, during 1945.

FE-150	Tachikawa Ki-94-II single engine high altitude fighter
		Prototype; completed Aug45, not flown by time of Japanese surrender. Surrendered to US forces at Tachikawa, Tokyo. 
		Shipped to the USA. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, 
		Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown, Pennsylvania.
		Renumbered as T2-150.

FE-151 Mitsubishi Ki-83 experimental long range fighter
After the end of the war US forces were surprised to find a Ki-83, because it was an aircraft they knew nothing
about before the occupation of Japan. After the discovery, the Ki-83 was flight-tested by the Allies at the
Matsumotu Army Air Base in Japan. In December 1945 the Ki-83 was shipped to NAS Alameda, San Francisco,
California aboard the USS Tulagi (CVE-72) escort carrier. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical
Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown,
Pennsylvania Feb46. Renumbered as T2-151.
FE-152 Rikugun Ki-93 twin-engine heavy fighter/ground attack aircraft
Uncompleted second prototype. Shipped to the USA. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data Laboratory,
Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown, Pennsylvania Feb46.
Renumbered as T2-152.
FE-153 Tachikawa Ki-87 experimental high-altitude fighter
(MSN 8701) Prototype. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA 16Dec45 on USS Bogue (CVE-9), arriving at the
Military Ocean Terminal, Bayonne, New Jersey, Jan46. Atlantic Overseas Air Materiel Center, Newark Field, NJ.
T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH.
Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown, Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-153.
FE-154 Tachikawa Ki-77 experimental long-range research plane
A low-wing cabin monoplane with twin piston engines and a tail wheel undercarriage, Tachikawa A-26 (Ki-77) No 1
was derived from a design commissioned by the Asahi Shimbun newspaper to break the flight distance record set
by a rival. Due to war preparations nothing came of the intended non-stop flight to Berlin, but the plan was
revived when an Italian plane managed to visit Japan. It was the intention that the 2nd prototype should make
the attempt, but it vanished during the flight, probably shot down by long-range allied fighters. The sole
remaining first prototype of the Tachikawa Ki-77, that in the meantime had been used to set an inland
distance record, was found by US forces at the end of the war at Yamanashi airfield in Japan. Shipped from
Yokosuka, Japan to the USA 16Dec45 on USS Bogue (CVE-9), arriving NAS Alameda, California 8Jan46. T-2 Office
of Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH.
Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown, Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-154.
FE-155 Nakajima Ki-87 high-altitude fighter interceptor
(MSN 8701) Uncompleted second prototype. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA 16Dec45 on USS Bogue (CVE-9),
arriving at the Military Ocean Terminal, Bayonne, New Jersey, Jan46. Atlantic Overseas Air Materiel Center,
Newark Field, NJ. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command,
Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Renumbered as T2-155.
FE-156 Nakajima Ki-115a Tsurugi kamikaze aircraft
(MSN 1002) Captured at Nakajima No.1 Plant, Ota, Giumma, Japan. Shipped to the USA. T-2 Office of Air Force
Intelligence, Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Renumbered as T2-156.
FE-201 Mitsubishi A6M3 Zero (Allied code name ‘Hamp’, later ‘Zeke’)
(MSN 3030) Previously EB-201. Foreign Equipment Branch, Technical Data Laboratory, Air Technical Service Command,
Wright Field, Dayton, OH 19Feb45. Out of service in good condition at Hangar 5, Wright Field 1Sep45;
being used to evaluate stability and control characteristics.
FE-263 Kawasaki Ki-61 Hien (Tony)
(MSN 263) Previously TAIC 9. By Jul44 the aircraft was among the aircraft, equipment, documentation and personnel
aboard a 'Victory Ship' heading for San Francisco, from where the whole establishment were taken by train to
its new 'Hangar 151' facility at Washington. Upon arrival it was again scheduled for repair, by which time it
had been renumbered as TAIC 9.During January 1945, by now possibly as FE-263, it was painted back in
pseudo-Japanese markings and evaluated against the Wildcat, Corsair, Hellcat, Tigercat and Bearcat, but the
tests were suspended when bearing metal was found in the engine oil. Foreign Equipment Branch, Technical Data
Laboratory, Air Technical Service Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. The aircraft crashed at Yanceyville,
North Carolina on 2Jul45, and was written off.

FE-300 Mitsubishi J8M1 Shusui 1 rocket-powered interceptor fighter
(MSN 403) Captured at the Mitsubishi Nagoya plant. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA 3Nov45 on
USS Barnes (CVE-20), arriving Norfolk, Virginia 7Dec45. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data
Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown, Pennsylvania.
Renumbered as T2-300. In Jul 2016 was still at the Planes of Fame Museum, Chino, CA.
FE-301 Nakajima Ki-84-I Otsu (Allied code name ‘Frank')
(MSN 3060) This aircraft was one of two Ki-84's captured at the Nakajima Utsunomiya Plant in Japan after the
end of the war. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA 3Nov45 on USS Barnes (CVE-20), arriving Norfolk,
Virginia 7Dec45. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command,
Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown, Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-301.
FE-302 Nakajima Ki-84-I K? Hayate (Allied code name ‘Frank')
(MSN 2366) This aircraft was one of two Ki-84's captured at the Nakajima Utsunomiya Plant in Japan after the
end of the war. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA 3Nov45 on USS Barnes (CVE-20), arriving Norfolk,
Virginia 7Dec45. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command,
Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown, Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-301.
FE-303 Nakajima Ki-44-1I Shoki (Allied code name ‘Tojo’)
(MSN 1677 or 1841) Captured at Tachikawa, Tokyo. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA 3Nov45 on
USS Barnes (CVE-20), arriving Norfolk, Virginia 7Dec45. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical
Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown,
Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-303.
FE-304 Kawasaki Ki-102b high altitude fighter (Allied code name ‘Randy’)
Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA 3Nov45 on USS Barnes (CVE-20), arriving Norfolk, Virginia 7Dec45.
T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH.
Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown, Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-304.
FE-N305 Kawanishi N1K2-J Shiden Kai (Allied code name George)
(MSN 5341) Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data Laboratory,
Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown, Pennsylvania.
Renumbered as T2-N305.
FE-N306 Kawanishi N1K2-J Shiden Kai (Allied code name George)
(MSN 5128) Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data
Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown,
Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-N306.
FE-307 Nakajima Ki-44-1I Shoki (Allied code name ‘Tojo’)
(MSN 1677 or 1841) Captured at Tachikawa, Tokyo. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA 3Nov45 on USS Barnes
(CVE-20), arriving Norfolk, Virginia 7Dec45. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data Laboratory,
Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown, Pennsylvania.
Renumbered as T2-307.
FE-308 Kawasaki Ki-102b high altitude fighter (Allied code name ‘Randy’)
Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA 3Nov45 on USS Barnes (CVE-20), arriving Norfolk, Virginia 7Dec45.
T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH.
Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown, Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-308.
FE-309 Kawasaki Ki-102b high altitude fighter (Allied code name ‘Randy’)
Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA 3Nov45 on USS Barnes (CVE-20), arriving Norfolk, Virginia 7Dec45.
Atlantic Overseas Air Materiel Center, Newark Field, NJ. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data
Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Atlantic Overseas Air Materiel Center, Newark Field, NJ.
Renumbered as T2-309.
FE-310 Kawasaki Ki-102b high altitude fighter (Allied code name ‘Randy’)
Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA 3Nov45 on USS Barnes (CVE-20), arriving Norfolk, Virginia 7Dec45.
Atlantic Overseas Air Materiel Center, Newark Field, NJ. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data
Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Atlantic Overseas Air Materiel Center, Newark Field, NJ.
Renumbered as T2-310.
FE-311 Mitsubishi A6M8 Model 64 Zero-Sen (Allied code name ‘Zeke’)
One of two prototypes completed. Surrendered at Misawa. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA. T-2 Office of
Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown
Air Materiel Area, Middletown, Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-311.
FE-N312 Kawasaki Ki-100-1b Type 5 fighter
Captured at Tachikawa, Tokyo. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence,
Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area,
Middletown, Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-N312.
FE-N313 Kawasaki Ki-61 Hien (Allied code name ‘Tony’)
Captured at Otami, Osaka. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence,
Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area,
Middletown, Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-N313.
FE-N314 Kawasaki Ki-100-1b Type 5 fighter
(MSN 13012) Captured at Komaki. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence,
Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area,
Middletown, Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-N314.
FE-N315 Kawasaki Ki-100-1b Type 5 fighter
Captured at Komaki. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical
Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown,
Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-N315.
FE-N316 Kawasaki Ki-61 Hien (Allied code name ‘Tony’)
Captured at Otami, Osaka. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence,
Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area,
Middletown, Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-N316.
FE-N317 Kawasaki Ki-100-1b Type 5 fighter
Captured at Komaki. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical
Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown,
Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-N317.
FE-N318 Mitsubishi J2M5 Raiden (Allied code name 'Jack')
Captured at Atsugi. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence,
Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area,
Middletown, Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-N318.
FE-N319 Mitsubishi J2M5 Raiden (Allied code name 'Jack')
Captured at Atsugi. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical
Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown,
Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-N319.
FE-N320 Mitsubishi J2M3 Raiden (Allied code name 'Jack')
Captured at Atsugi. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical
Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown,
Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-N320.
FE-N321 Mitsubishi J2M3 Raiden (Allied code name 'Jack')
Captured at Atsugi. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical
Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown,
Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-N321.
FE-N322 Mitsubishi A6M7 Model 62 'Zero'
(MSN 23186) Assigned to the Yokosuka K?k?tai with tail code ?-143. After the war it was captured at Misawa,
a testing facility operated by the First Naval Air Technical Bureau (Dai-Ichi Kaigun Koku Gijitsusho,
or in short Kugisho in Japanese, equivalent to the US Navy Bureau of Aeronautics BuAer) at Yokosuka Airfield.
Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA 3Nov45 on USS Barnes (CVE-20), arriving Norfolk, Virginia 7Dec45.
T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH.
Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown, Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-N322.
FE-N323 Mitsubishi A6M5 Model 52 'Zero'
Shipped to the USA. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command,
Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown, Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-N323.
FE-N324 Kawanishi N1K1 Ky?f? floatplane fighter (Allied code name Rex)
Captured at Sasebo. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA 16Nov45 on USS Core (CVE-13) arriving NAS Alameda,
California. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field,
Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown, Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-N324.
FE-325 Kawasaki Ki-45-Kai Hei twin-engine night fighter (Allied code name 'Nick')
(MSN 3303) Tested by TAIU-SWPA at Clark Field, Philippines, 1945 as aircraft ? S22, it differed from the more
well-known Ki-45 ? S14 by having two upward firing cannon behind the pilot seat. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan
to the USA 16Nov45 on USS Core (CVE-13) arriving NAS Alameda, California. As ? S22 was seen being transported
to the USA, it is likely to be one of the two Ki-45 that was later tested in the USA (FE-325 or FE-701), as
both had the upward firing cannon too. As the sole remaining Ki-45 airframe, that of FE-701, is not known
to have been at Clark Field FE-325 is the most likely candidate. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence,
Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area,
Middletown, Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-325.
FE-326 Kyushu J7W1 Shinden experimental interceptor fighter
Second prototype; not flown. Captured at Kyushu. Shipped to the USA. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence,
Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, Dayton, OH. Middletown Air Materiel Area,
Middletown, Pennsylvania. Renumbered as T2-326.

FE-701	Kawasaki Ki-45-Kai Hei (Allied code name 'Nick')
		(MSN 4268)	Captured at Fujigaya, Japan 1945. Shipped from Yokosuka, Japan to the USA 16Nov45 on USS Core (CVE-13) 
		arriving NAS Alameda, California. On 8Dec45 the Navy transferred the aircraft to the USAAF at Langley Field, 
		Virginia. T-2 Office of Air Force Intelligence, Technical Data Laboratory, Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, 
		Dayton, OH. Shipped to the Middletown Air Materiel Area, Middletown, Pennsylvania, for overhaul and flight test. 
		During the next few months, the aircraft was extensively test-flown at Wright Field, Dayton, Ohio, 
		and NAS Anacostia, MD. Renumbered as T2-701.

Can't imagine the data is still classified after this long. Only problem would be how to access it.

Website: http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_serials/Captured_Axis_Aircraft.html

Cheers

Drop this in the pacific forum, maybe someone will look it at, hopefully...

June 22, 2022

I think (watching the last many ideas about pre orders, where old pre orders wasnt released yet and it's a long way to release still I suppose) that 1CGS Team of IL-2 BoX needs money... Everone needs Pacific, so this idea and chances for this theater is growing fast I think.

Edited June 22, 2022 by YoYo

June 22, 2022

Pacific would be great for the American audience.

June 23, 2022

https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/mitsubishi-a6m2-zero-3d-model-1837043

Edited June 23, 2022 by YoYo

June 23, 2022

Fleet Air Arm Grummans on escort carriers in the Mediterranean escorting convoys and doing anti-sub patrols. Attacked by Ju87 Ju88 etc.
Kinda fun and Carrier Ops!

July 4, 2022

I would have been much happier if they resolved the Tank Crew issues first.

July 6, 2022

On 6/21/2022 at 6:19 PM, -332FG-Ursus_ said:

Plus: Easter Front gives the chance of Tank Crew II

I like both your proposed plane sets, about TC2, no Eastern front needed, there were tanks on the western front, both BoBP and BoN add plane that would go well with a Battle of the Bulge scenario for Tank Crew or the Falais pocket. And i think both collector tanks point towards that direction. the StuG III Ausf. G was quite a quite common sight in the Bocage of France and the Churchill, well it's a Churchill

On 6/22/2022 at 10:00 AM, YoYo said:

Everone needs Pacific

I don't need Pacific ?

July 6, 2022

BoNG - Battle of New Guinea

If for any unforseable reason it's going to be Battle of Berlin, there's got to be Magdeburg on the map. Mostly because I want to do a high-speed pass over their ATC tower. And Lexxy Roxx. But that's another story.

July 6, 2022

"IL-2 Pacific/PTO" is most probably not going to happen any time soon and may not even be any part of IL-2 GB at all.

Doing PTO as people here hope it will work out is, my educated guess, going to take 5-10 years to see the light of day.

If you look at Task Force Admiral (OK not really the exact same kind of sim, but still ...) this title was already in development for quite some time and still has no Early Access date set in stone.

I am looking forward to this TFA title and am, personally, convinced we will see this sim before IL-2 PTO (but I hope I am wrong).

FWIW ... my 'bet' for the next modules : Italy, TC2 France/Belgium and FC3 (???).

Edited July 6, 2022 by simfan2015

July 6, 2022

On 6/22/2022 at 6:31 AM, RossMarBow said:

Pacific would be great for the American audience.

I'm sure all the other allied nations fighting against the Japanese in WWII thought the same thing... Let the American's do it....

:negative:

July 6, 2022

2 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

BoNG - Battle of New Guinea

Marge Approves!!

July 7, 2022

On 6/22/2022 at 3:31 PM, RossMarBow said:

Pacific would be great for the American audience.

Believe it or not it's not just American audience craving for it, Europeans want it too!

Around 95% of ppl i've been flying with from several european squads and some individual players they all have PTO as no.1 on their wishlist.

July 7, 2022

This one is the most logical step. IMHO of course. I guess we will learn after BoN is out of the door, somewhere around August/September.

July 7, 2022

13 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

If for any unforseable reason it's going to be Battle of Berlin, there's got to be Magdeburg on the map. Mostly because I want to do a high-speed pass over their ATC tower. And Lexxy Roxx. But that's another story.

I don't believe there will be Berlin implemented in this game. Look at the Moscow map, which is partially inaccessible due to potential performance problems.

July 7, 2022

Battle for New Guinea 100%. I'll be very bored with anything eastern Europe and early war Europe is nicely covered by the other IL2. I know there are some details lacking on some of the Japanese planes but whatever, if literally nobody alive knows what the real position of this or that dial was, why does it matter? And it's not like our P-40 is so historically perfectly modeled currently either. So go go go Guinea!

July 7, 2022

2 hours ago, blue_max said:

Battle for New Guinea 100%. I'll be very bored with anything eastern Europe and early war Europe is nicely covered by the other IL2. I know there are some details lacking on some of the Japanese planes but whatever, if literally nobody alive knows what the real position of this or that dial was, why does it matter? And it's not like our P-40 is so historically perfectly modeled currently either. So go go go Guinea!

There is no way that if they go PTO they dont go with Midway that they already said it was their first planed PTO DLC.

If your taking big risk with doing PTO you go big or no go, and Midway is giving balanced planset, carriers, and name recognition, its perfect start for PTO.

July 7, 2022

11 minutes ago, CountZero said:

There is no way that if they go PTO they dont go with Midway that they already said it was their first planed PTO DLC.

If your taking big risk with doing PTO you go big or no go, and Midway is giving balanced planset, carriers, and name recognition, its perfect start for PTO.

Great for Online and some QMB.

Offline Career for 2-3 days.

July 7, 2022

6 minutes ago, Sobilak said:

Great for Online and some QMB.

Offline Career for 2-3 days.

Battle of Bodenplatte ? ever heard of it, does it have 1 day campaign ?

With Midway as main set they can do Pearl harbor map also, and one only sea map (making thouse 3 maps is less time then any other single map in game), and you have SP campaign from pearl early carrier battles Midway and carrier battles after it...

Edited July 7, 2022 by CountZero

July 7, 2022

50 minutes ago, CountZero said:

Battle of Bodenplatte ? ever heard of it, does it have 1 day campaign ?

With Midway as main set they can do Pearl harbor map also, and one only sea map (making thouse 3 maps is less time then any other single map in game), and you have SP campaign from pearl early carrier battles Midway and carrier battles after it...

BoBP offers a map that's relevant for several months.

Your suggestion is relevant for two days total - and that's including both Pearl and Midway battles. Yawn.

New Guinea or bust.

July 7, 2022

6 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

Your suggestion is relevant for two days total - and that's including both Pearl and Midway battles. Yawn.

Oh, Come now. You could fly a PBY career for weeks before the exciting 2 days. Take off fly out a couple hundred miles turn right or left. Fly for a couple of more hours, turn the same way (if you turn the other way you won't be able to tell by the landmarks) and fly back to base. And then the exciting part, land. :lol:

July 7, 2022

44 minutes ago, Ghost666 said:

Oh, Come now. You could fly a PBY career for weeks before the exciting 2 days. Take off fly out a couple hundred miles turn right or left. Fly for a couple of more hours, turn the same way (if you turn the other way you won't be able to tell by the landmarks) and fly back to base. And then the exciting part, land.

The PBY-career of picking up ditched pilots would tourn out to be a bit of a bummer, though ?

July 7, 2022

4 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

The PBY-career of picking up ditched pilots would tourn out to be a bit of a bummer, though ?

Evidently, its totally historically accurate that not a single airmen in all the air forces of WWII knows how to use a life raft or life preserver...heck just tread water for that matter ?

July 8, 2022

14 hours ago, CountZero said:

There is no way that if they go PTO they dont go with Midway that they already said it was their first planed PTO DLC.

If your taking big risk with doing PTO you go big or no go, and Midway is giving balanced planset, carriers, and name recognition, its perfect start for PTO.

I think that is such a big thing its going to be used for the start of il-2 v3

July 8, 2022

15 hours ago, DBFlyguy said:

Evidently, its totally historically accurate that not a single airmen in all the air forces of WWII knows how to use a life raft or life preserver...heck just tread water for that matter ?

How hard it can be, we never did raft training and never saw it inflated but i imagine it is something like tihs

Edited July 8, 2022 by =VARP=Ribbon

July 8, 2022

On 7/7/2022 at 2:38 PM, Bremspropeller said:

The PBY-career of picking up ditched pilots would tourn out to be a bit of a bummer, though ?

I might be dreaming this but at Midway wasn’t the only US non-carrier aircraft to hit a Japanese ship a PBY?

With a freakin’ torpedo no less?

July 8, 2022

only pacific ocean! ?? :hunter:

July 8, 2022

I guess I’ll throw my two cents in and vote for #1 Tunisia, Malta and Italy, we have all or most of the planes we need to fit these areas. The PTO (#2) should start with land ops and gradually move to carrier ops.

July 12, 2022

On 7/7/2022 at 1:40 PM, Sobilak said:

Offline Career for 2-3 days.

Don't get fooled by the title. Bodenplatte was a one day operation after all.

Wake raids, Coral Sea, Midway... even Santa Cruz. These maps would be easier to make than Rheinland or Normandy.

But to be honest, we know PTO is not an option in the near future. Lack of japanese aircraft documentation is a serious barrier.

July 13, 2022

13 hours ago, VBF-12_Pequod said:

But to be honest, we know PTO is not an option in the near future. Lack of japanese aircraft documentation is a serious barrier.

This whole thing about lack of documentation for Japanese aircraft, let alone the Zero, Kate and Val, is pretty much false. They have enough info to build a Zero, and FM/DMs, and educated guesswork for the gunner station for the latter aircraft don't really matter.

See my comment here: Does the first PTO installment/first installment with Japanese planes need to be a carrier battle? - Page 3 - Polls - IL-2 Sturmovik Forum (il2sturmovik.com)

If carrier tech and/or large warships like cruisers and battleships can't be created, then the devs should just do a battle that didn't involve carriers and/or large warships or they saw minimal action there.

July 13, 2022

On 6/18/2022 at 8:40 PM, YoYo said:

3/ Battle of France (France vs Germany)

Battle of France/Britain with the current arcadish damage model (hollow planes: no fuel, hydraulic, electric, pneumatic, electric, engine lines/systems modelled; much to tough watercooled engines/cooling systems etc…..) a time frame when rifle calibre guns were still the main armament, would be very frustrating and reveal even more the current shortcomings of the game.

in that regard the CloD series currently is the far superior product

July 14, 2022

On 7/7/2022 at 12:38 AM, =VARP=Ribbon said:

Believe it or not it's not just American audience craving for it, Europeans want it too!

Around 95% of ppl i've been flying with from several european squads and some individual players they all have PTO as no.1 on their wishlist.

Many south american fellows including me, wish this dream to happend.

Next theater for BoX?

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