Next theater for BoX?

[YoYo]

Ok, we are before summer (or in) but BoN as we know will be finished in this late summer or autumn (only 410, map + campaignes).

Of course, the question arises as to what will be next and as I suppose (moreover traditionally) something will be announced in the fall'22.

 

So? Any wishes? 

 

For me, priorities:

1/ Pacific (USA vs Japan) 

2/ Winter War (Finland vs Russia, Fokker XXI, G.Gladiator, B.Buldog, Bf you have vs I-153, SB-2 bomber ect)

3/ Battle of France (France vs Germany)

 

Edited June 18, 2022 by YoYo

[LuftManu]

We've seen Karelia back then in the Map editor, so maybe we get some Winter War?

 

I am all in for all of your propositions! 

[Asgar]

Winter war would be cool or  I could do with ’45 Eastern front or Mediterranean 

[Enceladus828]

Your first two choices are plausible. If the devs can't do the Pacific then they should either do a late war Eastern front with the Yak-3s, La-7s and Yak-9Us or an Eastern front installment which would give us more Russian bombers or early war aircraft which could fit into BoM.

[sevenless]

"Battle of Poland" or "Oder to Berlin" or "Goetterdaemmerung" or something like that featuring 11/44 to 5/45 endgame on the eastfront. Das Reich ist kaputt!

 

Will bring us among others:

 

- Me 109-G10

- Fw 190 A9/F9

- Ju 87-D5

- maybe Do 217

- maybe Ju 188

- maybe Ta 152 H0/H1

- maybe Me 109-G14/AS

- maybe some Mistel variant

 

- La-7

- Yak-9U

- Yak-3

- Tu-2

- Il-10 or latest Il2-M3 "arrow wing"

 

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

Maybe more than one theater could be a good option ... they can partially share the plane set and have some more maps ...

[71st_AH_Rob_XR-R]

Don't forget they still have FC3 and hopefully an unannounced TC:Battle of Normandy...

[CountZero]

My money is on Channel 42/43, they can add playable B-25C and B-26B with Spit 9c, P-38G, Beaufighter XIc there and fined 5 axis Bf-109G5, Fw-190A4, Ju-188 , Do-217 and Ju-87D5 

[Vastarien]

At this point I don’t know if I’d buy anything other than Sicily 43/Italy 44 or PTO, at least not on preorder.

[sevenless]

5 minutes ago, CountZero said:

My money is on Channel 42/43, they can add playable B-25C and B-26B with Spit 9c, P-38G, Beaufighter XIc there and fined 5 axis Bf-109G5, Fw-190A4, Ju-188 , Do-217 and Ju-87D5 

 

Would be great if they do that. Channel 43 or Eastfront 45. Both would be instabuys by me. Oh and Sicily/Malta 43 also.

Edited June 18, 2022 by sevenless

[Asgar]

10 minutes ago, CountZero said:

My money is on Channel 42/43, they can add playable B-25C and B-26B with Spit 9c, P-38G, Beaufighter XIc there and fined 5 axis Bf-109G5, Fw-190A4, Ju-188 , Do-217 and Ju-87D5 

You forgot the He-177 in that plane list

[YoYo]

1 minute ago, Asgar said:

You forgot the He-177 in that plane list

 

The lighter. ?

[szelljr]

...here we go again.

[Avimimus]

1 hour ago, YoYo said:

Ok, we are before summer (or in) but BoN as we know will be finished in this late summer or autumn (only 410, map + campaignes).

Of course, the question arises as to what will be next and as I suppose (moreover traditionally) something will be announced in the fall'22.

 

So? Any wishes? 

 

For me, priorities:

1/ Pacific (USA vs Japan) 

2/ Winter War (Finland vs Russia, Fokker XXI, G.Gladiator, B.Buldog, Bf you have vs I-153, SB-2 bomber ect)

3/ Battle of France (France vs Germany)

 

Okay, so my pitch:

 

Leningrad makes more sense after 1945 East

A+B) 1945 East is a good idea (re-uses late war Luftwaffe planes). It should be followed by a Leningrad/Winter-War scenario at a later date that would fill in the gaps on the Eastern Front 1939-1944 plane-sets. That is the order which makes sense. 

 

A Land based Pacific Scenario is a more reasonable stepping stone to the Pacific

C) A Land Based Pacific Scenario (e.g. New Guinea) would make the most sense (no need to program carriers). An early-to-mid war scenario would also be much more balanced in terms of the aircraft and forces involved. I'd prefer a scenario with a Ki-43 and a mid-late war Avenger as flyable. Such a scenario could be a stepping stone to Midway or a replacement (if sufficient references can't be found).

 

A Cold War European scenario makes more sense than Korea

D) A Cold War scenario set in Europe would make a lot more sense then one set in Korea (more varied and balanced aircraft types). Some Korea assets might overlap with a Pacific map, so it would make sense to do Korea after New Guinea and to plan it as an augmentation to a Cold War scenario (i.e. plan both plane sets ahead of time).

 

Austria-Hungary vs. Italy is an untapped goldmine

E) For WWI I think there is a general consensus that an FC4/FC5 should be Italy vs. Austria-Hungary - lots of very high performance and very attractive/exotic (good for sales) and well documented aircraft (easy to model) plus mountain flying and seaplane bases... all on a relatively small map.

 

I'd also love a Battle of France (more interesting in some ways than the Battle of Britain) but I'm not sure how well it'd sell. Really interesting types though. Same goes for the Spanish Civil War. Hopefully flight sims will grow in popularity so there will be a market to justify these someday.

 

I could also see a bunch of demi-scenarios with only 3-5 planes and re-using existing maps:

 

- Channel 1942 (Dieppe/Jubilee) with Do-217E, Boston III, Mustang I, Fw-190A4/U18 etc.

 

- Artillery spotting (Fw-189, Fi-156, U-2VS artillery spotter, L-5).

 

Edited June 18, 2022 by Avimimus

[S10JlAbraxis]

So many possibilities so little time.  I could go for Winter War, Battle of France, Channel 42/43, Mediterranean and Eastern front 44/45.  Probably Mediterranean would be my top pick.  I would rather see more fleshing of the European conflict before moving to the Pacific.  The Pacific conflict is so extensive in scope that once they go there probably will not see any more European content for a very long time.  Also I am not that interested in strictly carrier vs carrier scenarios - too much open water and very long flights with nothing to look at.  Bottomline I will buy anything they put out.  

[YoYo]

Korea will be nice too! I agree However I think they stay on WWII period.

[CountZero]

35 minutes ago, Asgar said:

You forgot the He-177 in that plane list

I didnt know we need to list static object airplanee, its either broken engines or no fuel with that type so static object He-177 is perfect to make airfields look lively  ?

 

Edited June 18, 2022 by CountZero

[LLv24_SukkaVR]

1 hour ago, LF_Gallahad said:

We've seen Karelia back then in the Map editor, so maybe we get some Winter War?

 

I am all in for all of your propositions! 

 

Aerial warfare was very limited in winter war, continuation war would make a lot more sense. We could have both if we were given the planes used in 1939 - early 1940. Maybe some day i could bomb my own city with an SB-2 like they used to do.

[sevenless]

43 minutes ago, Asgar said:

You forgot the He-177 in that plane list

 

Ain´t gonna happen. Nobody wants to fly the Reichsfeuerzeug.

[Hotaru_Ito]

What do I want? Pacific, Korea, Spanish Civil War, heavy bombers. What do I actually expect? Italy/Sicily or late war Eastern Front.

 

Not that I wouldn't buy an Italy or East '45 expansion, of course. It'd be nice to have a more complete European Theater, where you can play a Soviet career up to the end of the war and start a US or British one in '42 or '43. Right now, if you want to go from '41 to '45, your only choice is German. PWCG helps, there you can go through to '45 as Soviet and back to '41 as British once the Normandy map is out, but Italy would add some nice map and plane variety to the mid-war and East '45 would give us a better map and late war Soviet planes.

 

Still, I'd really like nothing more than to see US Navy and Japanese planes, early jets, late biplanes, or four-engine heavy bombers in the game. And I'm still hoping for an eventual FC4 that brings in any or all of the Eastern Front planes, seaplanes, and early planes from Rise of Flight.

Edited June 18, 2022 by Hotaru_Ito

[SqueakyS]

I think Jets should be handled by a different team like FC is. Not having any interest in the subject I think I'd go spare waiting 2 1/2 - 3 years waiting for new WW2 content. My vote would be for early war (France, Finland, Spain) or sicily/malta. 

[Avimimus]

The main thing I'd like though? Variety in aircraft... and at least one or two aircraft that are unexpected and different (providing different roles or new experiences not seen before in sims):

 

 

[Hotaru_Ito]

1 minute ago, Avimimus said:

The main thing I'd like though? Variety in aircraft... and at least one or two aircraft that are unexpected and different (providing different roles or new experiences not seen before in sims):

 

That reminds me of another thing I'd love that isn't going to happen, which is radar-equipped night fighters.

[Asgar]

22 minutes ago, sevenless said:

 

Ain´t gonna happen. Nobody wants to fly the Reichsfeuerzeug.

I‘m pretty sure many people in this community actually would. Also it fits the scenario mentioned above. Mini Blitz without the 177 just isn’t right!

[sevenless]

2 minutes ago, Asgar said:

I‘m pretty sure many people in this community actually would. Also it fits the scenario mentioned above. Mini Blitz without the 177 just isn’t right!

 

My comment was in jest. True. Also Do 217 is missing for Mini Blitz or Operation Steinbock.

Edited June 18, 2022 by sevenless

[Avimimus]

9 minutes ago, sevenless said:

 

My comment was in jest. True. Also Do 217 is missing for Mini Blitz or Operation Steinbock.

 

If doing a Do-217, I'd strongly recommend the Do-217E. The E variant remained operational with bomber units right up until the Do-217 was withdrawn (i.e. they were never entirely replaced by the K and M). They also entered service earlier... so they'd be useful for a larger number of scenarios. In contrast the K and M variants were introduced later and designed for and operated at night.

 

If one wants a late-war night bomber the Ju-188 has a more powerful defensive armament and an excellent view, its overlap in terms of systems with the Ju-88 also makes it attractive from a development perspective. The Ju-188 also had more of a presence into 1945.

 

 

 

24 minutes ago, Hotaru_Ito said:

That reminds me of another thing I'd love that isn't going to happen, which is radar-equipped night fighters.

 

True. I kind-of hope that they add a Lancaster if they ever add the B-17 or B-24. The Lancasters were increasingly operated in daylight during 1945 so it is reasonable. If it is one of the versions with simpler avionics (i.e. no H2S) it could even be flyable!

 

That said, I do hope Team Fusion are encouraged enough to keep working - as that type of team (somewhere between a commercial developer and part time odders) is exactly the sort that might someday bring radar. Afterall, working radars were eventually added to Il-2 1946 (and even almost made it into the official Team Daidalos patches).

Edited June 18, 2022 by Avimimus

[Hotaru_Ito]

15 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

True. I kind-of hope that they add a Lancaster if they ever add the B-17 or B-24. The Lancasters were increasingly operated in daylight during 1945 so it is reasonable. If it is one of the versions with simpler avionics (i.e. no H2S) it could even be flyable!

 

That said, I do hope Team Fusion are encouraged enough to keep working - as that type of team (somewhere between a commercial developer and part time odders) is exactly the sort that might someday bring radar. Afterall, working radars were eventually added to Il-2 1946 (and even almost made it into the official Team Daidalos patches).

 

As much as I love the B-17 and especially the B-24, the Lancaster would be my first choice for a four-engine bomber. It participated in a wider variety of operations, many of which could be handled in-game with just a few planes, or just one, rather than the American planes where you really need to have flights of at least dozens of them in the air at once to represent the big daylight raids.

 

I agree about TFS too, I haven't paid much attention to them so far since they don't have VR, but now that they're adding it, I'll be buying CLOD and Tobruk pretty much the moment the update is out. Really looking forward to VR Battle of Britain, France, and North Africa, and hoping they get to make more expansions in the future. I suspect off-the-beaten-track theaters are more likely from them than from the GB team.

[Feldgrun]

My thought is that there are only 3 good choices for the next BoX: Pacific, Italy, or AI Heavy Bombers. 

[Mtnbiker1998]

Battle of Guadalcanal or Sicily are easily my top 2.

 

I hope and pray we don't go back to the Eastern front. Unless they can entice me with some interesting Lend Lease stuff, P-39Q, A-20G or something along those lines, then I might pick it u on sale. I have zero interest in just more Yaks and 109s.

 

"Mini DLC's" Don't seem to have any precedent in the GB business model as of yet, so I'm not getting my hopes up for them. That being said, I'd probably buy a Channel 42 scenario, especially if they can squeeze an Allison engined Mustang in there. TONS of options for field mods with that plane. Extra .50s in the nose, the wings, 20mm cannons, and especially the A-36 with dive brakes and wing mounted bomb racks. Would also fit the new recon roles wonderfully.

[oFlyingDutchman]

Please lord, no more yaks and 109's
Good birds, don't get me wrong. But after quite a few years, and a couple of thousend of hours, its good to have other options to fly in *and* fight agaisnt 

[Rjel]

This is like the chicken and egg thing. As in, which came first, another what do we want to see next thread or an announcement of what we're going to see next thread. I think we decided about 15-20 what's next threads ago that we all wanted more war winning U.S.A.A.F A/C, some war winning U.S. Navy A/C, a sprinkle of Marine Corp war winning A/C with a sprinkle of Axis target fodder thrown for good measure.

 

At least, that's how I remember those threads playing out.

[DBFlyguy]

7 hours ago, YoYo said:

Ok, we are before summer (or in) but BoN as we know will be finished in this late summer or autumn (only 410, map + campaignes).

Of course, the question arises as to what will be next and as I suppose (moreover traditionally) something will be announced in the fall'22.

 

So? Any wishes? 

 

For me, priorities:

1/ Pacific (USA vs Japan) 

2/ Winter War (Finland vs Russia, Fokker XXI, G.Gladiator, B.Buldog, Bf you have vs I-153, SB-2 bomber ect)

3/ Battle of France (France vs Germany)

 

Option 1 YES PLEASE

Option 3 ...ok fine I guess, it would be something new...

 

 

Option 2... ? My wallet says....

 

If it's anything eastern front related.... I guess that'll just give me more money to spend on DCS and MSFS.

Edited June 19, 2022 by DBFlyguy

[Gambit21]

[357th_KW]

The best option if it’s possible is the Pacific - specifically the Solomons.  The would give the option of adding the last major WW2 participants that aren’t already included in some way.  On top of that, it could be made entirely of new aircraft that don’t exist yet in the sim in any form.  The map would be completely different from anything we have, and there would be possibilities for torpedos, sea planes, larger bombers and even carriers.

 

If the Pacific is still off the table, then something in the Mediterranean (Sicily, Tunisia, Greece etc) could be a nice option that provides many of those same benefits - different terrain, torpedos etc - and could at least heavily expand the Italian presence in the sim, though there would likely be some variants of existing planes already in the game.

 

More eastern front or western front content would add nicely to the game, and really help complete those theaters, but I think it would feel like “more of the same” to many prospective buyers.

[616Sqn_Tyggz]

 

1940 to 1943.
Siege of Malta, kicking Jerry out of Tunisia and invading Sicily/Italy. All in one map.

Trop Spitfire Vc's, Beaufighters, Wildcats (Martlets), Sea Hurricanes, and P-40s. Let's not forget the B-25!
A lot of the landing craft built for Normandy could be used here as well as many of the currently existing allied aircraft and their derivatives.

In conjunction with the Italian pilot the devs have hinted at producing, I'd say this is a pretty solid and not implausible module like PTO.

[357th_Esco]

1st late Pacific (Corsairs, Hellcats, Bearcats)

 

2nd Mediterranean

 

3rd Late Eastern front not my favorite option but I wouldn’t mind to see some alternate history scenarios in MP servers with late Western vs late Eastern aircrafts. Would be nice to fight something new that are not  German planes.

Edited June 19, 2022 by 357th_Esco

[WIS-Redcoat]

Battle of France

 

Battle of Britain

 

Battle of Guadalcanal

 

[The_Ant]

Il-2 Football War 1969.between El Salvador and Honduras.

 

 Cavalier P-51D Mustangs, F4U-1, -4 and -5 Corsairs, T-28A Trojans, AT-6C Texans FG-1D Goodyear Corsairs.C-47 Skytrains

[YoYo]

1 hour ago, WIS-Redcoat said:

Battle of France

 

Battle of Britain

 

Battle of Guadalcanal

 

I remember that Battle of Britain isnt possible, the same like Africa, due they have it in IL-2 Clod (maybe Jason told this, dont remember exactly).

Edited June 19, 2022 by YoYo

[Asgar]

7 hours ago, Mtnbiker1998 said:

 

Battle of Guadalcanal or Sicily are easily my top 2.

 

I hope and pray we don't go back to the Eastern front. Unless they can entice me with some interesting Lend Lease stuff, P-39Q, A-20G or something along those lines, then I might pick it u on sale. I have zero interest in just more Yaks and 109s.

 

I hope and pray we don’t get another western front scenario. Unless they can entice me with some interesting prototype stuff, Do 335, Ta-152 or something along those lines, then I might pick it up on sale. I have zero interest in just more Mustangs and Spitfires…?