Considering track ir or a vr head set

[453=SGII_Wotan]

I am considering track ir or a vr headset, do not know if pc will handle VR head set my specs are as follows

 

Device name    DESKTOP-ESCMSNR
Processor    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8700 CPU @ 3.20GHz   3.19 GHz
Installed RAM    32.0 GB
Device ID    7A5C4C1D-AE4E-4A97-92A4-0E7B2798B97F
Product ID    00326-00846-05443-AAOEM
System type    64-bit operating system, x64-based processor

 

Video card is a stock MSI VENTUS RTX 2700 8GB GDDR6 Overclocked

could this system handle a g2 reverb head set

 

opinions please
 

 

[1Sascha]

1 hour ago, 453=SGII_Wotan said:

could this system handle a g2 reverb head set

The system looks fine to me, but the GPU would be a problem with the Reverb. As I've stated in other threads, I bought an RTX 2070 Super off a buddy who had upgraded to an RX 6800 XT because his Reverb G2 was too much for the 2070. I use that 2070 Super with a Rift-S, which works fine, but the HP's resolution is quite a bit higher than that of the Rift-S. I reckon the G2 would need an RTX 3070 or 3080 to get the best out of it. 3080 is what most of my squaddies use for their Reverb G2s. I've used the HP-set on my buddy's PC with the 6800 XT in IL-2 and it worked pretty great, but even that card wasn't enough to crank up all graphics-settings to the max in IL-2.

 

 

^ Just to put relative performances into perspective. A non-Super 2070 will probably struggle a bit, even with the Rift-S - my Super is basically running flat-out in IL-2 with "High" preset, 2x FXAA and 1.10 pixel density. And while I don't think your CPU would be a problem, I do have to point out that I'm running an i5-12600K, which is probably more powerful than your 8th gen i7.

 

And I *think* the 3070 should be enough for the G2 on high-ish settings. But, ideally, you should probably consider more powerful cards like the 3080 or RX 6800 XT. Especially since you will want to upgrade your VR-set at some point in the future... I know I do, as after just a month of VR-ownership, I'm already browsing for sets with higher res than the Rift-S ... ?

 

S.

Edited June 17, 2022 by 1Sascha

[Lusekofte]

I have a G2. Do not use it because it got a mini usb thingy not intended to fit my pc. It also demand Bluetooth. 

It say I need usb 3. Witch I have. But apparently the adapter from little usb to normal usb is not 3.0

In my opinion G2 is designed to fu** you. 

I still use my Rift S. It will run good on your system

[Dagwoodyt]

5 hours ago, 453=SGII_Wotan said:

I am considering track ir or a vr headset, do not know if pc will handle VR head set my specs are as follows

 

Device name    DESKTOP-ESCMSNR
Processor    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8700 CPU @ 3.20GHz   3.19 GHz
Installed RAM    32.0 GB
Device ID    7A5C4C1D-AE4E-4A97-92A4-0E7B2798B97F
Product ID    00326-00846-05443-AAOEM
System type    64-bit operating system, x64-based processor

 

Video card is a stock MSI VENTUS RTX 2700 8GB GDDR6 Overclocked

could this system handle a g2 reverb head set

 

opinions please
 

 

What is the point of asking for input on options that are so different in cost to access? Track IR will run on a "potato". For TrackIR you are overqualified by several decades. Best decide VR or not. If VR then face the reality that you are likely to need to spend a lot of money over time to achieve performance that satisfies. You are looking at the G2. The Index though is still a viable option for VR and doesn't require WMR. Also consider a 3080Ti as ideal to get best performance even with an Index, especially if you are wanting to use DCS World. $150.00 for TrackIR vs many times that for VR ?

[453=SGII_Wotan]

Because I can

[Lusekofte]

I flown Rift S with great results in DCS with a 1080ti

One just have to find a balanse between beauty and stability.

Now I have a 3080 with great stability in DCS 

One do not need having latest and greatest to be satisfied

[1Sascha]

6 hours ago, 453=SGII_Wotan said:

I am considering track ir or a vr headset,

Forgot to add: I fly some sims that don't support VR, so I own both VR and TrackIR / Opentrack. Gotta have head-tracking IMO and not all sims support VR. Plus you'll probably just want to fly on your monitor sometimes - I know I'm not always in the mood to strap the set to my head, so I still fly IL-2 without VR from time to time. So, ideally, you should get both. I'd start with TrackIR/Opentrack because it's so much cheaper to get into and won't require you to upgrade your PC. Yes: Immersion and wow-factor are on another level with VR, but so is the price of entry, both for the set itself and the required GPU to drive a high-res set like the G2. Plus you'll be needing some sort of HOTAS with VR, since you won't be able to look at your keyboard with that thing on your head.

 

 

S.

Edited June 17, 2022 by 1Sascha

[Dagwoodyt]

24 minutes ago, LuseKofte said:

I flown Rift S with great results in DCS with a 1080ti

One just have to find a balanse between beauty and stability.

Now I have a 3080 with great stability in DCS 

One do not need having latest and greatest to be satisfied

The "satisfaction" formula can be elusive. TrackIR costs maybe $150. Other IR head tracking alternatives may be available for less. The technologies are so far apart I don't think it is entirely reasonable to conflate the two.

10 minutes ago, 1Sascha said:

Forgot to add: I fly some sims that don't support VR, so I own both VR and TrackIR / Opentrack. Gotta have head-tracking IMO and not all sims support VR. Plus you'll probably just want to fly on your monitor sometimes - I know I'm not always in the mood to strap the set to my head, so I still fly IL-2 without VR from time to time. So, ideally, you should get both. I'd start with TrackIR/Opentrack because it's so much cheaper to get into and won't require you to upgrade your PC. Yes: Immersion and wow-factor are on another level with VR, but so is the price of entry, both for the set itself and the required GPU to drive a high-res set like the G2. Plus you'll be needing some sort of HOTAS with VR, since you won't be able to look at your keyboard with that thing on your head.

 

 

S.

Might as well mention VoiceAttack if opting for VR.

[Sheriff88]

All of you sound like you know what you are doing so I'll ask my question here. I followed instructions in Hellhounds detailed description. I have tried several ways to use Opentrack /AItrack combination with web cam.

I can see that AI track is working in preview screen. I made sure I opened Opentrack and AI track and game the same way. (With game and the apps opened as administrator nad also with game and apps launched normally). With and without the "Use Remote Client" option in the AItrack configuration window. None of them seem to work.

Any ideas?

[ST_Catchov]

12 hours ago, 453=SGII_Wotan said:

opinions please

 

Trackir. You can drink and smoke and use the keyboard simultaneously without fear of disastrous consequences should this be attempted in VR. And you can keep an eye on the missus. Sunlight can be problematic but it's far cheaper than the alternative with less hassle which is always attractive. Give it a go mate.

[1Sascha]

2 hours ago, ST_Catchov said:

You can drink and smoke

I actually see this one as a bit of a plus for VR, since I smoke way less on the PC when I'm using VR. ?

 

S.

[Lusekofte]

Living in two houses, I have VR setup in one. And 47" 4k screen on the other.

I feel liberated not having VR available.

It really is a humid uncomfortable device.

At the same time being in a ww2 cockpit is amazing. 

I try to optimise FacetrackNoIR for GB.

In DCS this work better than TrackIr 5.0

But in GB I struggle with some of the axes 

[Cravis]

Do you have experienced VR?

If not please do so before you buy anything. Motion Sickness is a serious issue with VR and vehicle simulators like IL2 are the kind of games that cause it severe abundance.

If you are prone to suffer from motion sickness you will not enjoy your VR time in IL2 or any simulator for that matter.

People say you can build tolerance over time and that is true to a certain degree but it takes time and you need to to do with other games that are far more forgiving in this regard. Simulators like IL2 are at the end of that road not at the start. The question becomes do you even want to play a year or so all kinds of VR games just so you can endure a proper IL2 mission in VR?

If you do not suffer from motion sickness VR will without a doubt deliver more spatial awareness and immersion than TrackIR could ever hope to do. This is the biggest advantage.

But even then its not all sunshine and sunflowers. Wearing the VR headset you very much become unavailable to do anything in realty immediately. Wanna just take a sip of water? You will have to pause and take off the headset to do so.

Want to type something in chat, need a key short cut or forgot where a certain button is? - At least partially take of the VR headset again.

It is only really viable if almost all your controls are on a HOTAS because you have no awareness where anything is unless you have your hands on it all the time.

Is it hot in area/room? Because in VR you basically strap a OLED display directly to your face and seal it off all around, it gets hot and really sweaty inside.

 

TrackIR does not suffer from any form of motion sickness, it simply is not a factor.

You are also at all times available to interact with the real world instantly and there is no issue to locate controls or inputs outside of a HOTAS.

The disadvantage is that spatial awareness and immersion can not compete with VR.

And you either wear a silly hat or some LED contraption on your head. Which has its own downsides: Light reflections can mess with the head tracking camera. Depending on your room layout it might becomes necessary to dim the room. I for example have to fully close the shutter of the window opposite of the display to use TrackIR and still during certain times the sun shining through a window far off to the sides may still interfere.

 

Disclaimer: I have a Oculust Rift however I soon found out I am prone to motion sickness. I have tried it in simulators like IL2, Eve: Valkyrie or Assetto Corsa on multiple occasions. I can not use it for any prolonged session and the recovery period afterwards to feel fully fine again is just too long for my taste.

I no longer pursue to use VR for simulators.

I have TrackIR5 with the simple cap clip and play my simulators on a 65" OLED TV. Works perfectly fine and I had no issue with it other than TrackIR doesn't like to be on a USB hub and it always needs to be connected to the same USB port. 

 

[BBAS_Tiki_Joe]

From reading others comments I guess it does come down to individual tolerance on a number of things. For me, I can where my head set for hours without discomfort, and when I say hours on Friday nights I'm usually in for 6-8 hours and it does not bother me in the least. When I first got my headset I probably spend 12 hours playing and had no eyestrain or motion sickness what so ever. But all people are different. In my experience, I've shown my headset off to 15+ people who have never touched a VR head set and have never heard someone complain about motion sickness. Thats a small sample size, and then number of people who complain about it does prove that it is a problem for some, I think the majority of people will not have any issues.  I've been playing VR since 2015, and it has come a long way. The first thing you need to ask yourself is will my PC run it, or are you willing to drop the money to get to that point. While it is possible to run VR on a mid tier machine your experience will differ greatly from someone who has a top of the line system. As far as not being able to see your Hotas and keyboard with it on, this is a non problem after you get used to it. If you know how to type without looking you'll be able memorize where all you keybindings are in no time. Its not that big of a deal. Just joking with some other up top, if you really want to drink and eat while playing, use a straw and the VR head set doesn't cover your mouth so eating is no problem at all. Even then, I've been known to have a number of beers without a straw while in VR VR is the most incredible experience I've had gaming in my 30 years of being a gamer. Its extremely immersive and not even embellishing I forget that its not real life sometimes. I've found myself shaking from an adrenaline dump on multiple occasions after some close call dog fights that I've had to step away for a minute to calm down. I can't recommend it enough.

Edited June 19, 2022 by BBAS_Tiki_Joe

[dburne]

I am very prone to motion sickness but I got acclimated to VR in a couple of weeks or so. This was back in 2017. Now I am gaming in VR usually every day for around 4-6 hours a day easily. Love every minute of it. Still get motion sick riding in a car, but not in VR.

 

VR or Track IR - two entirely different things. It is either gaming through a headset where everything is all around you in actual size, or gaming on a monitor where everything is on a monitor in front of you. 

Edited June 19, 2022 by dburne

[1Sascha]

12 hours ago, dburne said:

Still get motion sick riding in a car, but not in VR.

I've heard about VR and motion-sickness, but I've yet to encounter someone who actually can't handle VR to the point of medium to severe discomfort. I'm sure there *are* people out there who would have difficulties, but from what I understand, it's pretty rare (as dburne's anecdotal evidence seems to suggest). YMMV of course and since this is such a unique experience when it comes to gaming, you won't know for sure until you've tried it.

 

What I do experience in VR is that when I taxi after a mission and bring the plane to a stop by unlocking the tail-wheel and doing a 180, my brain "expects" my body to be jerked forward - kinda like what you experience in a car when you apply the brakes a bit too hard when stopping at a traffic-light. The absence of that physical sensation when I stop the plane feels a bit weird, but it's not uncomfortable. Reminds me a bit of the "phantom rocking"-sensation I will get whenever I've spent a few days exclusively on a boat during a fishing trip - back on dry land, I'll usually still feel the rocking of the sea for a day or two. If anything, I find it amusing to experience how easily the lizard-part of our brains can be duped despite the primate part of it knowing that we're not *really* sitting in a plane or even moving around..

 

S.

Edited June 20, 2022 by 1Sascha

[453=SGII_Wotan]

Any body running a hpe vive cosmos headset and if u r what gfx card r u using?

[Dusty_Steppes]

On 6/17/2022 at 8:42 PM, Sheriff88 said:

All of you sound like you know what you are doing so I'll ask my question here. I followed instructions in Hellhounds detailed description. I have tried several ways to use Opentrack /AItrack combination with web cam.

I can see that AI track is working in preview screen. I made sure I opened Opentrack and AI track and game the same way. (With game and the apps opened as administrator nad also with game and apps launched normally). With and without the "Use Remote Client" option in the AItrack configuration window. None of them seem to work.

Any ideas?

 

I don't want to hijack this thread so you might want to start a new one. Here's a snapshot of some of the settings that you might want to check. If you want I can send you the Opentrack.ini file I am currently using.  Hope this helps.

[Sheriff88]

16 hours ago, Dusty_Steppes said:

 

I don't want to hijack this thread so you might want to start a new one. Here's a snapshot of some of the settings that you might want to check. If you want I can send you the Opentrack.ini file I am currently using.  Hope this helps.

 

Thanks Dusty, I’ll try that.