Missing Key Settings

[JG4_Deciman]

Hi there

 

After installing some new hardware that gives me enough buttons/axis to control at least engine functions for twin engined planes with different buttons/axis for each engine I'm now sure, that there are missing some settings...

 

Mostly (if not all) are for german multi engine planes...

 

In the settings you can select axis AND up/down for different things

B.E. water cooler open/close

 

These can be set globally (affecting ALL engines in game selected by a different way)

or for a specific engine (b.e. engine #2) directly

 

Most of the german planes do NOT react when the setting is bound to an axis

- historically correct because most functions were set by using buttons for up/down and had no direct axis controll

But all these german multi engine planes had different buttons for each engine...

 

And to stay at a german multi engine plane (bf110)

- setting the water (oil) coolers is not possible by using axis (what  is correct)

- setting the water (oil) cooler is possible by using keys

- binding the keys is possible ONLY globally for both engines

- selecting engine has to be done before (default both engines)

- NO binding for specific engine possible (but cockpit contains separate switches/levers for both engines)

- binding can ONLY be done by setting the key to 'He-111,Bf-110 ... open/close'

 

And I guess there are more of these 'specific' settings that avoid setting functions for specific engines directly...

 

Deci

 

 

[JG4_Deciman]

Hi there...

 

Still no changes...

I'm still bound to use the 'Engine selection'

to set coolers for a specific engine.

 

I don't care about 'axis is possible or not'

But every cockpit (BF110, Ju88, HE111) has seperate AND animated levers/buttons/... to change a setting for each cooler (left/right engine, oil/water)

but in most cases I'm stuck to the 'general' setting affecting ALL selected engines...

 

Please have a look at it or request further informations,

but don't let me continue feeling as being ignored with that issue...

 

Deci

[LukeFF]

I'll ask about this and see if anything can be done.

[Yogiflight]

5 hours ago, JG4_Deciman said:

But every cockpit (BF110, Ju88, HE111) has seperate AND animated levers/buttons/... to change a setting for each cooler (left/right engine, oil/water)

but in most cases I'm stuck to the 'general' setting affecting ALL selected engines...

No, this is only for the Bf 110s. In the He 111s, the Ju 88s and the Me 410 you can set the cooler/outlet flaps for the engines seperately. It is only the Bf 110s, which suck at this point. Another issue with the 110s is the very bad reaction to turn left/right commands in level pilot. The best thing would be to have the 'Kurssteuerung' modelled correctly like in the Me 410, but at least having the turn left/right being as smooth as in the He 111s and Ju 88s.

[LukeFF]

Just now, Yogiflight said:

The best thing would be to have the 'Kurssteuerung' modelled correctly like in the Me 410, but at least having the turn left/right being as smooth as in the He 111s and Ju 88s.

 

I'm hoping that there are plans to update the 110s, 111s, and 88s with their proper autopilot system, but I'm not sure how much work that would be. The Ju 52 we have as well might also be a candidate, but I'm not sure if the model we have had an autopilot (probably did, but I'm not certain).

[Yogiflight]

59 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

I'm hoping that there are plans to update the 110s, 111s, and 88s with their proper autopilot system, but I'm not sure how much work that would be. The Ju 52 we have as well might also be a candidate, but I'm not sure if the model we have had an autopilot (probably did, but I'm not certain).

I didn't look it up now, but from what I remember, there is no Kurssteuerung there in the cockpit of the Ju 52. I think I remember, that even today there is no Autopilot in the remaining Ju 52s.

[JG4_Deciman]

16 hours ago, Yogiflight said:

No, this is only for the Bf 110s. In the He 111s, the Ju 88s and the Me 410 you can set the cooler/outlet flaps for the engines seperately. It is only the Bf 110s, which suck at this point. Another issue with the 110s is the very bad reaction to turn left/right commands in level pilot. The best thing would be to have the 'Kurssteuerung' modelled correctly like in the Me 410, but at least having the turn left/right being as smooth as in the He 111s and Ju 88s.

 

Nope...

 

Bf 110 -> NOTHING is possible directly

He111 -> Water is possible (Axis)

           -> Oil is NOT possible directly (Axis not accepted, Button not present)

 

And btw: Same for any multi engine plane with 'Segelstellung' (Feathering)

No possibility to set it directly

 

Deci

 

[Yogiflight]

6 hours ago, JG4_Deciman said:

He111 -> Water is possible (Axis)

           -> Oil is NOT possible directly (Axis not accepted, Button not present)

I was only referring to the possibility to set the cooler/outlet flaps seperately for the two engines. But I have to correct myself, the oilcooler flaps in the He 111s can not be set seperately, only the water radiator flaps. And yes, the oilcooler flaps can only be moved in four steps. As the water radiator and oilcooler flaps of the Bf 110 were only operatable in steps IRL, it seems reasonable to me, that the oilcooler flaps of the He 111s might have been so, too.

[JG4_Moltke1871]

On 10/5/2023 at 7:07 PM, LukeFF said:

I'll ask about this and see if anything can be done.

Really appreciate you pic up this topic??

The Sim would be move from a a simulation with some annoyances to a close to perfect simulation with these (more or less) little improvements, a little summary:

- separate feathering for all twin engine planes

- separate coolings for the win engine aircraft that were mentioned in previous posts + A20 ( not sure P38 also have gaps in that topic ).

- animated one axis autopilot for those planes that had it. 

- bomb safety switch animated for German and Soviet planes.

 

I can remember some of these topics was already touched somewhere in this Forum already. With the fuel selector switch is one little but great improvement in work already, so I hope these others we talk about here will not be forgotten. The result would be amazing ?

[JG4_Moltke1871]

Btw, mosquito also touched by this topic ?

[JG4_Deciman]

20 hours ago, Yogiflight said:

And yes, the oilcooler flaps can only be moved in four steps. As the water radiator and oilcooler flaps of the Bf 110 were only operatable in steps IRL, it seems reasonable to me, that the oilcooler flaps of the He 111s might have been so, too.

That's what I meant with 'I do not care about axis possible or not'

Even if was in a real plane only possible by a 4/8/ 20/... whatever positions switch for each single engine

it was possible to use that switch.

And that switch is animated inside the cockpit since the very beginning.

But it could never be adressed by a simple keypress and still cannot be adressed by a simple keypress.

 

But it feels good to read that this issue will be forwarded to the devs

and that I'm not alone with missing these (or other) functions,

and that not since yesterday *g*

 

 

Deci

[JG4_Deciman]

On 10/5/2023 at 7:07 PM, LukeFF said:

I'll ask about this and see if anything can be done.

So now I ask you about any reactions from the devs...

 

And I'll also add a new plane to the list...

The A20

 

Inlet coolers react to axis (engine wise)

Outlet coolers only react to global keypresses (both engines)

 

Deci

 

[LukeFF]

39 minutes ago, JG4_Deciman said:

So now I ask you about any reactions from the devs...

 

And I'll also add a new plane to the list...

The A20

 

Inlet coolers react to axis (engine wise)

Outlet coolers only react to global keypresses (both engines)

 

Deci

 

I've bumped the query back up to the top with our engineers. 

As for the A-20, are you sure? I've never seen a case where the outlet cowl flaps don't respond to an axis input.

[JG4_Deciman]

11 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

I've bumped the query back up to the top with our engineers. 

As for the A-20, are you sure? I've never seen a case where the outlet cowl flaps don't respond to an axis input.

You can assign that by axis, too.

But the outlet coolers react only on the global axis (or buttons) manipulating both engines the same time.

A defined axis for outlet engine 1 and outlet engine 2 is ignored...

 

Deci

[Charon]

Are you sure you don't have inlet and outlet backwards?

 

My recollection is that the "inlet" (really the upper cowl flaps) are controlled by a single lever behind the pilot's right shoulder; they should indeed always move as a pair (in any case, they should only be open on the ground, so there's no valid reason to have them out of sync). The "outlet" (lower cowl flaps) should be operable independently.

[LukeFF]

Correct, the upper cowl flaps are controlled by a single lever, so it would be functionally impossible to assign them to only one engine. Similarly, the Hs 129 has a single lever for controlling fuel mixture and the Pe-2s have one switch for both superchargers.

[JG4_Deciman]

thanks