BoS competing with 1946

[Crow]

I wonder if the developers are aware that they will be competing with IL-2: 1946 for people's money/time.

 

1946 has so much to offer at this point that I'm curious to see how 1CGS approaches pulling people away from that. All of the circles I run in have talked about not bothering to upgrade to IL-2: BoS until it can offer a comparable experience to 1946.

 

What do you think? Are pretty sounds and graphics enough to pull people away from one of the most polished sims in existence that has over a hundred aircraft and crazy amounts of player made content? Obviously CloD failed at that, so what does BoS need to get people to make the switch?

[Uufflakke]

BoS will be much more than just pretty sounds and graphics.

 

I am sure people will move over to BoS and keep IL2:1946 as an alternative fot other scenario's like MTO, PTO, ETO, Nam, SCW etc.

I think the majority of simmers have several flight sims installed already. So one extra doesn't do much harm even when Eastern Front isn't really your cup of tea.

Speaking for myself I would have bought  a flawless COD despite the fact I'm so not interested in a Battle of Britain sim.

 

A crucial factor of BoS to become popular is that at least it doesn't have the issues of COD.

 

Why the IL2:1946 community will also try out BoS?

For the simple reason we are all flight sim enthusiasts and spent/waisted a lot of time in downloading and installing 16GB mod packs and struggle sometimes with adding individual mods.

All this time, efforts and install frustration to get the best out of the game.

(Not to mention the money that went into rudder pedals, joystick, TrackNoIR, better graphics card etc.)

 

I've spent a lot of hours at the modding community like AAA and SAS1946  but whatever you do the visuals of IL2 can't compete with modern standards despite the extra planes, maps etc.

As a modder I felt a bit like a cosmetic surgeon: you can give it a facelift  but it stays an old lady.

The modding sites themselves realise that the end is coming when a good WWII sim sees daylight. They expected it to happen with the release of COD but we all know what happened.

 

We all have to wait and see.

Now the BoS Dev Team feed us with a few bread crumbs to digest on Friday.

We need to have patience for a more nutricious and tasteful meal and see if we want to join their table when dinner is being served.

Edited July 24, 2013 by Uufflakke

[Crow]

I think a lot of guys bought CloD and I think a lot will buy BoS, but most of the people that played CloD went back to IL-2: 1946 in the end. When I look at the dying RoF multiplayer community and the nonexistent CloD community, I don't have high hopes that a gameplay or marketing strategy that meets somewhere in the middle of "bad" and "worse" is going to pan out. Hopefully I'll be proved wrong, but I've been let down too many times at this point to have any faith or trust in flight sim developers.

Edited July 24, 2013 by Crow

[gavagai]

The physics in 1946 are pretty dated.  In addition to that, it has the ugly "dots" at long range instead of smooth LoD transitions.

 

The best thing about it is the updated AI.  I mean, wow!  It really knows how to put up a fight.

 

So long as BoS has a useable mission editor and AI that can fight it will do fine.

[ACG_Suardi]

Well, it's very clear that would not be only a sound and graphic upgrade.

 

The 1946 was a good simulator and gave me a lot of good moments, but there's no place for it anymore, since I began to fly in the Rise of Flight, for exemple. I know that a lot of people don't like WWI airplanes, but the immersion, the feeling of been flying, aircfaft behaviour and command responses of the RoF, makes the 1946 boring for me. 

I know this is very personal, but I don't know how people still flying 1946, and the only reason for it, it's the lack of a better WWII sim, and that's what we'll have now.

I was hoping that 777 studios made a WWII simuator, and since they announced a new IL2 I couldn't be more excited about it... All information that I been reading until now makes me even more excited abou the simulator and I'm sure that will be great and everybody will join BoS skies.

Edited July 24, 2013 by rcsuardi

[6S.Manu]

Well, it's very clear that would not be only a sound and graphic upgrade.

 

The 1946 was a good simulator and gave me a lot of good moments, but there's no place for it anymore, since I began to fly in the Rise of Flight, for exemple. I know that a lot of people don't like WWI airplanes, but the immersion, the feeling of been flying, aircfaft behaviour and command responses of the RoF, makes the 1946 boring for me. 

 

I know this is very personal, but I don't know how people still flying 1946, and the only reason for it, it's the lack of a better WWII sim, and that's what we'll have now.

 

I was hoping that 777 studios made a WWII simuator, and since they announced a new IL2 I couldn't be more excited about it... All information that I been reading until now makes me even more excited abou the simulator and I'm sure that will be great and everybody will join BoS skies.

 

I agree.

 

There was a troll on the banana forum who posted with a username similar to BlackSix, saying that CloD's development was being given up to another well known team: it was a wonderful day until the troll was exposed.

[JG27_Chivas]

I wonder if the developers are aware that they will be competing with IL-2: 1946 for people's money/time.

 

1946 has so much to offer at this point that I'm curious to see how 1CGS approaches pulling people away from that. All of the circles I run in have talked about not bothering to upgrade to IL-2: BoS until it can offer a comparable experience to 1946.

 

What do you think? Are pretty sounds and graphics enough to pull people away from one of the most polished sims in existence that has over a hundred aircraft and crazy amounts of player made content? Obviously CloD failed at that, so what does BoS need to get people to make the switch?

 

 

That's like saying.....Why would people buy IL-2 when they had all the content of CFS, Janes, and EAW series.

These new game engines are far more than pretty sounds and graphics.

I've never had a sim that I enjoyed more than all the IL-2 1946 series, but even with all COD's unfinished features/content, I still prefer flying COD aircraft with CEM enabled.  The original IL-2 was released with one theater, a few aircraft, and has since grown exponentially.   The same would have happened and might still happen with COD and BOS.   There will always be people flying only EAW etc, but most will move on to the more advanced features of  new cfs game engines, and grow with those sims as more content is added.   Otherwise investors wouldn't bother supporting these new highly complex, expensive to create game engines. 

 

Edited July 24, 2013 by Chivas

[71st_AH_Hooves]

I dont think the RoF multi player is dying by any stretch.  it has been about the same for a long time now, I can still log on and find a full server or 3 in prime time.  I honestly think that WWI is just not a lot of peoples preference.  Mine included. 

 

 Though I only rarely play Clod, I would still play it over 1946.  I feel like I'm on rails in that game as apposed to the more fluid feeling cockpit in CloD and RoF.   And have your friends tried RoF, it does magnificent even with Older rigs.  I would go as far as to say better than 1946 is some cases.  But to each his own.  

 

B\To answer your question though.  Yes they are aware, as well are they aware that they are competing against several other new games offering varying experiences.

[Skoshi_Tiger]

Although I have a lot of good memories from '46, I haven't been able to get back into it since COD was released. The engine was (is) showing it's age and the only thing it has going for it is it's maps and planeset.

 

'46 needed to be refreshed years ago, CoD was suposed to do that though that unfortunately never eventuated.

 

Hopefully BoS will be successful enough to refresh the series and development will continue adding new maps and planes over time. It looks like 1CGS is serious about doing that and with enough community support it should succeed.

 

Cheers.   

[Heywooood]

people said the same thing about RoF and OFF - at first OFF had more to offer, planes, campaigns etc...then what happened....?

 

777 is introducing their new flight sim with BoS - a year after release people won't even remember '46 - well - ok that might be overstating it but not by much

[Bearcat]

46 is still a pretty decent sim.. Especially with 4.12. I don't see the whole flying on rails thing and while the graphics are dated they are still quite good. BoS will not be competing with 46 it will eventually supplant it but 46 will be flown for at lea st another 5 years IMO.There are folks just now getting to 46 and there are still folks flying CFS. I know there was a community still active in CfS 1 s recently as a few years ago so i believe 46 will be around a bit longer and frankly I wouldn't be surprised if it was still being flown in the 20$.... Perhaps offline primarily but I don't see it going away completely for a while.

[Mogster]

There are always people reluctant or unable to upgrade their computers, that factor and strong online communities keep some older sims alive well after their sell by date.

 

Personally although I loved it in its prime find IL2 46's physics really dated. It just feels so basic compared to DCS AFM and ROF, all the planes feel the same.

[76SQN-J0NJ0N]

I agree with Mogster, 1946 remains one of my best loved games ever, but it was released 12 years ago, and the flight models and graphics are getting a little tired. Anyone who wants to see why BoS will be better should go and download Rise of Flight (it's free, why not?). 

[gavagai]

The free 2 play Albatros D.Va is a poor representative for RoF's flight models.  The Spad 13 is better, but meh.  You need to purchase the Nieuport 17 or SE5a to experience the best.

[Crow]

people said the same thing about RoF and OFF - at first OFF had more to offer, planes, campaigns etc...then what happened....?

 

777 is introducing their new flight sim with BoS - a year after release people won't even remember '46 - well - ok that might be overstating it but not by much

Well, IL-2 still has hundreds of people playing between hyperlobby and private servers/campaigns. Last I checked RoF has about 6 servers hosting about 20 people.

Edited August 3, 2013 by Crow

[Recon]

I recently upgraded CloD and installed the Team Fusion mod and fly on the ATAG server often.  Team Fusion has breathed new life into CloD.

 

The complex engine management, the flight and damage modeling is, imo, is really really good.  This is much more than just a 'graphics and sound' update - that said, the graphics and sounds are amazing really.   The CEM is fantastic.   No more, 'set the throttle and prop pitch to 90%/90% and fly all night'

 

The game has really evolved with the updates from Team Fusion.  The only sad part of CloD at this point is the sense that now there won't really be an opportunity to fly new aircraft with that engine.

 

With Team Fusion mod running, I can't even play IL2:1946 anymore, it's like child's play - whereas IL2:Cliffs of Dover is more advanced.

 

I also own ROF and really love ROF - the landscape is fantastic, it has many of the same good characteristics in terms of graphics and sounds.   However, I can't really get a sense of comparative CEM though with these WW1 planes compared to the CEM of what I see in the WW2 planes in CloD

 

What I am most unsure about with BoS is the question of how CEM compares to IL2: CloD - right now I'm guessing it will be an upgrade over Il2:1946, but will it be modeled as well ?  Will people be blowing their engines left and right and complaining about it being 'too hard' - or will the developers dumb it down to make the masses happy ?  Will we need to be constantly using the gauges to track our prop pitch, throttle, oil and water temps ?  Or will it be a 'set it at 90/90 and fly all night' game ?

 

Everyone wants more aircraft (I even asked about lend-lease) - but that said, I'd rather have a limited set of aircraft that are modeled realistically with proper CEM/flight/damage model characteristics  vs. just many planes thrown into the game.

 

 

I guess the only thing to do is just wait for this release and see how it will go.

[71st_AH_Hooves]

I recently upgraded CloD and installed the Team Fusion mod and fly on the ATAG server often.  Team Fusion has breathed new life into CloD.

 

The complex engine management, the flight and damage modeling is, imo, is really really good.  This is much more than just a 'graphics and sound' update - that said, the graphics and sounds are amazing really.   The CEM is fantastic.   No more, 'set the throttle and prop pitch to 90%/90% and fly all night'

 

The game has really evolved with the updates from Team Fusion.  The only sad part of CloD at this point is the sense that now there won't really be an opportunity to fly new aircraft with that engine.

 

With Team Fusion mod running, I can't even play IL2:1946 anymore, it's like child's play - whereas IL2:Cliffs of Dover is more advanced.

 

I also own ROF and really love ROF - the landscape is fantastic, it has many of the same good characteristics in terms of graphics and sounds.   However, I can't really get a sense of comparative CEM though with these WW1 planes compared to the CEM of what I see in the WW2 planes in CloD

 

What I am most unsure about with BoS is the question of how CEM compares to IL2: CloD - right now I'm guessing it will be an upgrade over Il2:1946, but will it be modeled as well ?  Will people be blowing their engines left and right and complaining about it being 'too hard' - or will the developers dumb it down to make the masses happy ?  Will we need to be constantly using the gauges to track our prop pitch, throttle, oil and water temps ?  Or will it be a 'set it at 90/90 and fly all night' game ?

 

Everyone wants more aircraft (I even asked about lend-lease) - but that said, I'd rather have a limited set of aircraft that are modeled realistically with proper CEM/flight/damage model characteristics  vs. just many planes thrown into the game.

 

 

I guess the only thing to do is just wait for this release and see how it will go.

I can only answer you through the scope of what Ive been told and my limited game-play time of the Alpha.  (in easy settings) 

 

The things I could mess with were prop pitch, mixture, radiator, and throttle. 

 

That is pretty much all the things you are doing in Clod 99% of the time anyway, I dont think the over heats and engine failures will be quite as prevalent in Bos As clod, as they have said it will be simpler.  But that doesn't mean a good pilot wont be able to squeeze a few MPH   ( or KPH)  outta their bird if they know what to do with the levers.

 

Over all the take away is, BoS will be simpler, but not simple.  Take from that what you can, we will know more soon!

[migmadmarine]

Well, the winter should help with overheats being less prevalent. 

[Recon]

thanks Hooves

 

good point thenorm  

 

At this point, it's definitely wait and see - the nice thing we do know is that ROF has been well done so at least we know this game won't be delivered and dropped!

 

I think the only thing that will hold pilots from switching from 1946 would be the theatre itself for the Allied pilots.  Most western 'allied' pilots prefer the western planesets.  I do think having lend-lease added at some point will cause a full 100% game switch.

 

That said, I really enjoyed the original IL2 eastern theatre and look forward to this one.

 

I hope to see some online campaigns get started up as well - this tends to provide the immersion that many of us seek in a flight combat sim.

[gavagai]

I also own ROF and really love ROF - the landscape is fantastic, it has many of the same good characteristics in terms of graphics and sounds.   However, I can't really get a sense of comparative CEM though with these WW1 planes compared to the CEM of what I see in the WW2 planes in CloD

 

What I am most unsure about with BoS is the question of how CEM compares to IL2: CloD - right now I'm guessing it will be an upgrade over Il2:1946, but will it be modeled as well ?  Will people be blowing their engines left and right and complaining about it being 'too hard' - or will the developers dumb it down to make the masses happy ?  Will we need to be constantly using the gauges to track our prop pitch, throttle, oil and water temps ?  Or will it be a 'set it at 90/90 and fly all night' game ?

 

I agree that engine management is something that's really lacking in RoF.  I have never, ever overheated an engine to the point that it breaks, and I fly around at 100% throttle almost all of the time.

 

Clod is a big step forward compared to 1946, but the CEM is still significantly easier than the DCS P-51, where airspeed is vital for sufficient engine cooling.  Even if you manually open the Mustang's radiator, consistenly flying slower than 200mph with military power will cook your engine.  I find this to be a very interesting difference because in Clod two of the fighters have earlier, less powerful versions of the same engine that is in the P-51D.  All of them run up to 3000rpm at full power, so my guess is that it's the higher MP that is at play.

 

I would be pleasantly surprised if CEM in BoS is anything like DCS.  I know Loft stated that his flight model goal is DCS fidelity, but without the engine startup procedures.  If the CEM is anything like DCS, then low-level furballing is going to be a dinosaur, and I doubt that would be allowed to happen because of its popularity.

[Mac_Messer]

I recently upgraded CloD and installed the Team Fusion mod and fly on the ATAG server often.  Team Fusion has breathed new life into CloD.

 

The complex engine management, the flight and damage modeling is, imo, is really really good.  This is much more than just a 'graphics and sound' update - that said, the graphics and sounds are amazing really.   The CEM is fantastic.   No more, 'set the throttle and prop pitch to 90%/90% and fly all night'

 

The game has really evolved with the updates from Team Fusion.  The only sad part of CloD at this point is the sense that now there won't really be an opportunity to fly new aircraft with that engine.

 

With Team Fusion mod running, I can't even play IL2:1946 anymore, it's like child's play - whereas IL2:Cliffs of Dover is more advanced.

 

I also own ROF and really love ROF - the landscape is fantastic, it has many of the same good characteristics in terms of graphics and sounds.   However, I can't really get a sense of comparative CEM though with these WW1 planes compared to the CEM of what I see in the WW2 planes in CloD

 

What I am most unsure about with BoS is the question of how CEM compares to IL2: CloD - right now I'm guessing it will be an upgrade over Il2:1946, but will it be modeled as well ?  Will people be blowing their engines left and right and complaining about it being 'too hard' - or will the developers dumb it down to make the masses happy ?  Will we need to be constantly using the gauges to track our prop pitch, throttle, oil and water temps ?  Or will it be a 'set it at 90/90 and fly all night' game ?

 

Everyone wants more aircraft (I even asked about lend-lease) - but that said, I'd rather have a limited set of aircraft that are modeled realistically with proper CEM/flight/damage model characteristics  vs. just many planes thrown into the game.

 

 

I guess the only thing to do is just wait for this release and see how it will go.

That is my 3rd biggest concern with what BoS can be. Flying the Emil in CloD felt nothin like in 1946, except maybe for its sluggishness. Other than that with the CEM it was a joy to fly and big part of it was that checking the instruments was mandatory not to kill the engine. That said, a 109 veteran would easily understand the process and get efective with CloD CEM within maybe 10 hours. Fying the Emil quickly became my second pilot nature. For the first time I was doing multiple things momentarily - leading enemy contacts, checking my six, checking the gauges, making continuous adjustments. Now take this and introduce the Kommandogerat - what a difference it would be. And a combat advantage over the Soviets.

 

If BoS CEM is done anywhere near CloD, the Soviets will struggle paying attention to flying their planes with the very same priority as dodging the 109s.

[6S.Manu]

If BoS CEM is done anywhere near CloD, the Soviets will struggle paying attention to flying their planes with the very same priority as dodging the 109s.

I've never found the CloD's CEM more difficult compared to RoF's CEM. 

 

While we can agree that  vanilla 1946's one was too simple, I really don't think BoS will be like inferior to CloD.

Edited August 3, 2013 by 6S.Manu

[ShamrockOneFive]

I do think IL-2 1946 will compete for peoples time but not their money. You can pick up 1946 for $10 on Good Old Games. It can be found elsewhere at times for cheaper. It's an amazing sim and it isn't going anywhere right this minute but it will eventually fade and if Battle of Stalingrad turns into a great sim with good support and longevity then eventually 1946 will be fading entirely. But I don't see it as a serious consideration... most of us will be playing both for a while.

[gavagai]

I've never found the CloD's CEM more difficult compared to RoF's CEM. 

 

While we can agree that  vanilla 1946's one was too simple, I really don't think BoS will be like inferior to CloD.

 

Agreed.  I find engine management to be easy in Clod.  "checking the instruments was mandatory not to kill the engine" has never been my experience.  Just open the radiator and you can do anything provided that you don't run at max power settings forever.

 

If you haven't flown the DCS P-51 then you don't know what CEM can be in a combat prop sim.

[Recon]

Agreed.  I find engine management to be easy in Clod.  "checking the instruments was mandatory not to kill the engine" has never been my experience.  Just open the radiator and you can do anything provided that you don't run at max power settings forever.

 

If you haven't flown the DCS P-51 then you don't know what CEM can be in a combat prop sim.

 

 

Are you speaking of latest CloD with Team Fusion mod (that is about all anyone flies online any more) ?

 

If you fly a Spitfire 1 for example, you will be constantly making sure you are setting the correct prop/throttle(boost)/rads based on altitude

 

auto vs. variable prop pitch is modelled - it can be quite a different flight experience with spitfire I vs. spitfire Ia/IIa, etc... 

 

Now, I haven't flown the DCS p-51, but it's an automatic/constant prop pitch so it's going to be easier than flying some of these variable aircraft.

 

If you don't watch your heat as well, you can very easily fry your motor.

 

This type of experience begins to make more 'simulator' and sets it apart from the experience of something like 1946.  It's one of the things in CloD that has made it such a joy to fly!

That is my 3rd biggest concern with what BoS can be. Flying the Emil in CloD felt nothin like in 1946, except maybe for its sluggishness. Other than that with the CEM it was a joy to fly and big part of it was that checking the instruments was mandatory not to kill the engine. That said, a 109 veteran would easily understand the process and get efective with CloD CEM within maybe 10 hours. Fying the Emil quickly became my second pilot nature. For the first time I was doing multiple things momentarily - leading enemy contacts, checking my six, checking the gauges, making continuous adjustments. Now take this and introduce the Kommandogerat - what a difference it would be. And a combat advantage over the Soviets.

 

If BoS CEM is done anywhere near CloD, the Soviets will struggle paying attention to flying their planes with the very same priority as dodging the 109s.

 

yes ,agree - and learning to master a plane becomes paramount as you have to know how to properly manage the engine - good stuff!

[leitmotiv]

...

yes ,agree - and learning to master a plane becomes paramount as you have to know how to properly manage the engine - good stuff!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=D1tFuLcqn3Y&t=1616

[AV_2Pattes]

I fly IL2:1946 in a squadron for so many years that I can barely remember. I also fly real, light aircrafts, both navigation and a little aerobatics. I hence always have been a lot disappointed by 1946 FM which are so "unrealistic" from the perspective of my real life experiments. But you know, since there is not any real alternative, you have to live with it, right ?

 

When I tried ROF, everything changed for me. Suddenly, FM that sounds real ! What a pleasure to make a roll or a reversal for example, in comparison to the weak approximation of 1946. It was so great that I could not fly again on IL2:1946 for a while. But since I am not a big fan of the WWI era, I finally got back to it, and I am still currently flying on it.

 

But since I tried ROF, I never stopped to fantasy on 777 moving to WWII, and with BOS all my sim dreams seem about to come true. I am truly impressed by all these guys did so far. From the incredible communication skills, to the idea of flying for real on warbirds or similar planes, and everything I saw on this forum. Especially compared to the incredible failure of Clodo (which I also bought premium without hesitation, but with a lot of regrets afterwards)...

 

I ordered the premium version of the game (again, I am an optimistic guy) without any hint of hesitation. Not because the graphics or sound are goods (and yes they are), but simply because I think the team is doing an incredible job on that project and that they need to have our support for that !

 

I am certain that I will move from 1946 to BOS without any regrets as soon as the game will be playable for my squadron (early 2014 may be ?), and I am confident that the whole squadron will quickly do the same

Edited August 3, 2013 by AV_2Pattes

[WklinkTomCofield]

There is nothing wrong with 1946, it is a very good game and certainly a great series. 

 

But using that logic would insinuate that fliers of EAW really would have no reason to buy and play IL2 in the first place.  Likewise Red Baron 3D fliers would have no interest in Rise of Flight.  Guys that flew the first version of Flaming Cliffs should have no desire to play later versions.

 

BoS is a new game, with new features and improvements not capable in the old engine of IL2: 1946.  The fact is that the engine was stretched far beyond it's original capabilities.  What was done with it is amazing but it is as far along as possible.  Getting BoS doesn't mean that IL2 is done, it just is another cog in the wheel, hopefully the start of a series that is as successful as the first game. 

[pencon]

Funny how people claim that BOS has a more advanced flight model , yet in several planes I can do the cobra manouvre . Fw190 for example  , at 400 kmh I can pull  the stick back all the way and the the plane will go completely vertical and slide forward in a cobra right doen to  say 180 kmh or so in a second or two , If careful on the rudder I can prevent a spin , (by the way I don't know why my type is underlined , don't know how to make it stop )

Edited August 5, 2014 by SYN_Haashashin
Fixed that for you ;)

[Nage]

Funny how people claim that BOS has a more advanced flight model , yet in several planes I can do the cobra manouvre . Fw190 for example  , at 400 kmh I can pull  the stick back all the way and the the plane will go completely vertical and slide forward in a cobra right doen to  say 180 kmh or so in a second or two , If careful on the rudder I can prevent a spin , (by the way I don't know why my type is underlined , don't know how to make it stop )

+1

 

but its irrelevant as most ppl just dont care about FM..really...

[Johnny_Red]

Funny how people claim that BOS has a more advanced flight model , yet in several planes I can do the cobra manouvre . Fw190 for example  , at 400 kmh I can pull  the stick back all the way and the the plane will go completely vertical and slide forward in a cobra right doen to  say 180 kmh or so in a second or two , If careful on the rudder I can prevent a spin , (by the way I don't know why my type is underlined , don't know how to make it stop )

+1

Personally i think the FM has been dumbed down to attract the Warthunder crowd, not something i look forward too. One just has to throw the throttle forward to reach max speed in no time at all. Climb rates are ridiculous. Yeah FMs are an improvement over 1946 but not by much. The game is a lot prettier though, but 1946 has the planeset. I'm sure this game will be a success when the warthunder crowd moves in. 

[Gambit21]

+1

Personally i think the FM has been dumbed down to attract the Warthunder crowd,

Not so much

[Gitano_Fraile]

For people to spend 46 to BOS depends on two things. 

1-ME 70% 

2-More maps and planes 30% 

For everything else from my point of view the BOS exceeds 46

Edited August 5, 2014 by ECV56_Moro

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

FMs will be reworked after release, maybe they'll even add more parameters to make them more realistic. If you don't like them (I personally overall do) wait or move on, not moan about it here comparing it to IL-2 1946.

 

Speaking of which it's just childish to say it beats BoS FM engine. Of course they feel fine and realisticly behaving there (which is expectable considering it's extraordinary long development) but can't reach the complexebility BoS offers, regardless of which flaws cuerrent FMs might have.

 

Stall behaviour in BoS and also DCS is way more natural and responsive than in 1946, where nealy every aircraft seems to lose any inertia and speed while spinning (not blaming it, just pointing out the truth).

 

Both sims have their flair, their goals and their fails. As said before most simers aren't narrow minded but like to see the market growing with mutiple titels keeping the flight sim genre alive. BoS is definetly not unworthy supporting it.

Edited August 5, 2014 by [Jg26]5tuka

[Uriah]

I still like EAW as the best simulation of actual battles.  But it is pointless.  I have put il2 1946 away and play BOS and CLOD.  My wishes are to see realistic bomber formations with escort. And defenders out in typical numbers.  Combat just is not realistic if fighters don't have to defend bombers or fighters have to contend with fighters defending bombers.  I want to see typical historic size battles.  They don't even have to be the largest of historic battles.  The most realistic flight model and CEM are just legs on a stool.  And I do hope that in BoS the AI does not go stupid after awhile as has been my experience.  I do have reason to hope.

[Gambit21]

The old IL2 had it's day  - Most of us were part of that, but that's over - now we're here.

 

IL2 BOS is the proverbial phoenix risen from the ashes - it's our job to support it and see that it follows a similar path

as the old one did. Additional Easter Front maps and AC - more theaters. Who knows if we're good maybe we'll get a "Slot" map and more

Zekes and Wildcats.

[Felix58]

Re BOS v 46.  In many ways a correct comparison.  Have a look at the Virtual Squadrons enlistment forum - nearly all of them are 46 outfits, with a promise to move to BOS later.  

 

While CLoD (Team Fusion version) is excellent, it seems to be vetoed by many VSqns as an update vehicle or adopt in part.      The initial CLoD AI was terrible so I could understand the reluctance to move at that stage.  What is the group think on CLoD AI now?  If any reader has not tried CLoD (TF) I highly recommend it if you have a reasonable PC, which if you are a flight simmer is almost a must have.  If your hobby involves having a reasonably contemporary outfit it is pointless complaining you cannot run contemporary software on XP!

 

There will always be reasons for not moving to BOS, and we have heard some of them in this thread already.  

 

Will VSqns move to BOS or adopt it as part of their operations?

 

I already know of one outfit who stated they will move to BOS only to get wet feet (ie changed their mind).  

 

What do the BOS devs have to provide to convince existing VSqns to adopt BOS as their primary flight sim?  (hence sales)

 

. Satisfactory AI performance

. Believable FM/DM

. Satisfactory Mission Builder

. BOS to be a commercial success so future theatres can be released.

 

I cynically may add:

 

. Totally unreal hardware requirements, ie runs 100% on XP

. non-commercially viable purchase price for '46 VSqn members

 

OK, a little "tongue in cheek" humour there, but I'm sure you get my drift.  Some punters just will not move no matter what is offered.

For those of us who prefer a more contemporary look and feel in our flight sims, BOS offers our best shot at the moment.  Looks very promising at this stage, but it is not there yet.  

[SharpeXB]

There's no "competition" between BoS and 1946. An iPhone has better graphics than those old games.

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

Everyone that I know that used to fly IL2 1946 has stopped.  This includes entire squads.  It is obsolete.  It would have died earlier if not for modders.  A S! to them.

 

CloD was a cluster, period.  The TF team has done a great job of making it the best it can be.

 

There are 9,280 people that have already purchased an Early Access version of IL2 BOS.  More will purchase upon release.  I think that says a lot right there.

[BeastyBaiter]

Nothing is competing against IL2:1946 at this point. That is a 12+ year old game and as much as some have modded it, the reality is it has about as much future as Red Baron 3d. There will always be those who refuse to move on. I'm sure somewhere out there, there is someone carrying on with the Aces series and at the drop of a hat, going on an hour long rant about how every CFS made since is crap. It's just the way some people are. However, the community as a whole abandoned IL2:1946 long ago. Some went into hibernation, some moved to other titles but I think most will end up here. There has been a long built up desire for a proper WW2 CFS. Something we haven't had in nearly a decade.

Edited August 6, 2014 by =LD=King_Hrothgar