Game version 4.706 discussion: Ar 234 and B-26

[jollyjack]

 

19 hours ago, Regingrave said:

You can try using this test mission as an example for your naval invasions. Basically there is new OnMoored event added to ship's Advanced Properties to trigger MCUs when the ship has made it ashore.

 

 

Looks great, but is it possible to spawn the jeep vehicles on the landing craft?

 

ADDED set the On Moored to the first jeep spawn timer, and set the jeeps closer to the landing spot and on top of each other ...

Looks great the way the ship rocks on debarking the vehicles, see attached changes to your upload:

[test]LCA+OnMooredEvent v2.zip

 

BTW what are the green media MCUs for?

 

Edited a little more; the 3 jeeps now start on the craft and disembark. 

What's really weird is the the craft behaves like the Flying Dutchman;

shoots something at the German trucks while having no guns, and there is nobody on board, not even a helms man ...

Maybe someone more experienced can improve this setup?

 

[test]LCA+OnMooredEvent v2a.zip

Edited June 16, 2022 by jollyjack

[fergal69]

5 hours ago, creamersdream said:

Just downloaded update. I'm not seeing the new AR-234 in my aircraft list to fly? I have the steam version but pre-ordered battle of Normandy?  I can fly the the new Mosquito so why not the Ar-234?

 

The list of flyable aircraft isn't in alphabetical order. It's after the Me262 B2 in the list of Axis aircraft

[senseispcc]

News and good news is there again! We can thank you many times but shall it ever be  enough?! 

[Irishratticus72]

24 minutes ago, fergal69 said:

 

The list of flyable aircraft isn't in alphabetical order. It's after the Me262 B2 in the list of Axis aircraft

Yeah, I'd trouble finding it for a fast minute, then again, it is "Wild Wine Wednesday" here. 

Edited June 15, 2022 by Irishratticus72

[IckyATLAS]

Thanks for this update. And the B26 has working tactical codes too.

The pilot and copilot have new caps, very nice.

 

 

[easterling77]

First flight and brought her home in one piece...awesome and the break chute saved my a...?

Great stuff from the team!!!! 

Thanks?

[Lusekofte]

Flown it 5 times. Engine stops after 1,5 second in airstart. And it do not burn in heavy crashes. Witch also would be 5 times

[R7-S276]

Do someone know why all the new allied bi-motors C-47 (before the future release of the collector plane), the B-25, now the B-26 are always AI planes, in stead of all the last german bi-motors are immediately release flyable Ju-88, AR-234 .... ?

[CountZero]

4 minutes ago, R7-S276 said:

Do someone know why all the new allied bi-motors C-47 (before the future release of the collector plane), the B-25, now the B-26 are always AI planes, in stead of all the last german bi-motors are immediately release flyable Ju-88, AR-234 .... ?

Its simply 5v5 dlc, so you run out fast on what to add for axis, while you have to many options for allieds. 

[Retrofly]

1 hour ago, LukeFF said:

 

It's in the Weapons section (sorry, not at my PC right now). 

It was LeftAlt-F for me, didn't realise you had to be looking in the sight to switch it. For some reason mirrors for me were leftCtrl-C.

 

R was engage rocket boosters and left shift D to jettison them, wasn't expecting them to have parachutes

[=VARP=Klingon]

Caint update,launcher not working!

 

[Jade_Monkey]

4 hours ago, beresford said:

How do you start the Ar234 engines? I apply a bit of throttle, hit 'E' and the left engine (alone) starts. Then after a while it dies again. If I get the left going and then select #2 to try to start that, the left engine dies on me again.

 

I was having the same issue. Dont apply throttle, fully closed till the engine is at 3000rpm.

[LukeFF]

40 minutes ago, Retrofly said:

It was LeftAlt-F for me, didn't realise you had to be looking in the sight to switch it. For some reason mirrors for me were leftCtrl-C.

 

R was engage rocket boosters and left shift D to jettison them, wasn't expecting them to have parachutes

 

?

 

Yes, they had parachutes so they could be refueled and reused.

[oc2209]

2 hours ago, Mtnbiker1998 said:

Has anyone found the cockpit photo for the Arado? Haven't gotten into VR yet but looking around with the mouse it seems quite elusive.

 

Hopefully not a similar issue to the missing photo in the 262.

 

Nope, no sign of it. Even in mouse view, I'd think a corner of the photo would be visible from some angle.

 

Now, I have a few recordings of the Ar-234 and B-26. Question: (and apologies if this has been mentioned already): does the B-26 have a functional hydraulics system?

 

Or are these instances of gear dropping and bomb bay doors opening after taking damage, simply an AI bug?

 

First example:

 

Spoiler

 

 

And yeah, I'm aiming without the aid of a gunsight.

 

Another example:

 

Spoiler

 

 

I'm a little disappointed the B-26's waist gun couldn't fire on my 190 during my low approach. I was hoping it could be tilted back at an extreme angle.

 

 

And here's a final example where the bay doors and gear didn't drop:

 

Spoiler

 

 

[Gavrick]

10 minutes ago, oc2209 said:

Now, I have a few recordings of the Ar-234 and B-26. Question: (and apologies if this has been mentioned already): does the B-26 have a functional hydraulics system?

 

Or are these instances of gear dropping and bomb bay doors opening after taking damage, simply an AI bug?

It was possible to bail out from B-26 through the hatches in the bomb bay, and in the front landing gear bay. Therefore, in case of damage, the landing gear is extended and the bomb bay opens - the AI is preparing to leave the plane.

 

[Hoss]

Here are some of the commands for the Ar-234.

 

 

Additional controls:

• RATO ignite                                                              R (Hold for duration) use one button, press to fire and on release, drop packs
• RATO packs drop                                                     LSht + D
• Drogue Chute Release/Drop                                   LAlt + D
• Deploy Mirrors                                                         LWin + C  Can't remember how to adjust
• Nestle to Periscope/Visor                                       LSht + V
• Bombsight Light (Periscope)                                  LAlt + M
• Gunsight position toggle (Ar-234 rearview)        RAlt + F
• Bombsight Target Height                                        Rsht + Semicolon/period
• Bombsight Windspeed                                            RAlt + Semicolon/period
• Bombsight True Airspeed                                       RSht + Comma/slash
• Autopilot On/Off                                                      RAlt + A
• Autopilot yaw channel On/Off                                RAlt + Y
• Autopilot pitch channel On/Off                               RAlt + P
• Autopilot roll channel On/Off                                  RAlt + R
• Autopilot yaw channel trim Axis                             RAlt + R/L Cursor
• Autopilot yaw channel trim switch: Left                RAlt + Left Cursor
• Autopilot yaw channel trim switch: Right              RAlt + Right Cursor
• Autopilot pitch trim Axis                                         RAlt + R/L Cursor
• Autopilot pitch channel trim switch: Up                RAlt + Cursor Up
• Autopilot pitch channel trim switch: Down           RAlt + Cursor Down
• Autopilot trim reset                                                 RSht + A       

• Don't remember how to adjust the mirrors, will have to look at the notes from testing. We need Requiem to make us a training video on how to use the bombsights.    Let me know if you can download this excel file of the 4.706 settings/keystrokes
  https://www.mediafire.com/file/wpfn2yiizxdhunf/IL2_GB_Default_Key_Commands_v4.706.xlsx/file   Cheers

44 minutes ago, Jade_Monkey said:

 

I was having the same issue. Dont apply throttle, fully closed till the engine is at 3000rpm.

Same way you start the 262............. no difference I could tell between the two planes, you should try it without the inner gauge working, its all by ear then.. LOL

 

Hit 1, (select engine 1) then RCtl +1, (start engine 1) let the inner needle get up to 1, apply the igniter RSht + 1, (ignite engine 1) wait until the inner needle gets to 2, then it reverts to outer scale, and you SLOWLY advance throttle to 3, and release the igniter button/switch, move throttle back down to 2000.  Rinse, repeat on right side. I have each engine on a seperate throttle (TMWH) and slowly advance engines until above 6000 RPM... it won't break tension on the wheels until you get to 8000 RPM.

[oc2209]

30 minutes ago, Gavrick said:

It was possible to bail out from B-26 through the hatches in the bomb bay, and in the front landing gear bay. Therefore, in case of damage, the landing gear is extended and the bomb bay opens - the AI is preparing to leave the plane.

 

 

Interesting design feature, thanks for explaining.

 

What confused me was how even after the explosion in the Fw-190 clip, the gear/bomb doors opened. Meaning that at least 1 crew member survived the explosion and was evidently conscious, which is unusual.

 

In the clip where the doors didn't open after the explosion, everyone must've been dead or unconscious.

 

7 hours ago, Avimimus said:

So the Arado can walk on water? Quickly - someone collect footage of this before the hotfix is released!

 

Sadly, I can't recreate this.

 

I tried landing gear-down on water; landing gear-up on water, and finally, driving into water. Nothing worked.

 

Here's one example with a 'chute landing thrown in:

 

Spoiler

 

 

Edited June 15, 2022 by oc2209

[YoYo]

Question about Ar-234, does it have gunsight if I use external cannon pod? I dont see it.

[LukeFF]

11 minutes ago, YoYo said:

Question about Ar-234, does it have gunsight if I use external cannon pod? I dont see it.

 

Periscope

[RyanR]

4 hours ago, Firdimigdi said:

 

Check the key bindings, you can set the altitude threshold, etc

 

 

Thanks! "Right-Shift/Ctrl K" are the default bindings. If you pull up as quick as you hear the buzzer and climb a smidgen, the buzzer will quit. If you proceed nose down even more, you have to adjust the contact altimeter settings to shut it up.

 

I have like two or three missions in a BoM campaign before I "dive" into the Arado! Thanks all!

 

-Ryan

[Praetorious]

Man what a nice surprise,just got home from work after working in the heat all day, decided to fire up the game and bam,AR234!! thank you much!!

[SidtheGit]

The Ar234 flies and looks great

[oFlyingDutchman]

Did anyone found a way to rebind the mirror ? i haven't had any luck with the shortkey one of the devs said earlier 

[JG4_Widukind]

Bug:

Loft Levelbomb sight: The bomb light on the left(3) is on when all bombs have been released (automatic and manual)

 

 

 

[SidtheGit]

5 minutes ago, oFlyingDutchman said:

Did anyone found a way to rebind the mirror ? i haven't had any luck with the shortkey one of the devs said earlier 

 

What did they say to use...? The mirrors open and close using the 'Open windows' key binding of 'Left Windows C'....'LWinC'

Edited June 15, 2022 by SidtheGit

[Ribbon]

Ar234 seems like a fun plane to fly, drag chute can come handy in various situations.

 

BUT please make game/VR/engine optimization cos VR experience really went down south, to get playable VR performance i need to dial down graphics that looks quite worse than pre clouds hotfix/skybox update.

And no offense but beside way exceesice glare i see no graphical improvement when it comes to new skybox.....or even clouds..to justify terrible perofmance loss!

I hate to say it but further il2GB content purchase is on hold for me until you optimize game or i buy rtx5090...which ever comes first!

 

(I7 10700k 5ghz, rtx3080, Reverb G2)

[oFlyingDutchman]

7 hours ago, Regingrave said:

Mirrors can be folded and unfolded by pressing LWin+C, dive bombing sight is enabled by LShift+V.

 

Just now, SidtheGit said:

 

What did they say to use...? The mirrors open and close using the 'Open windows' key binding of 'Left Windows C'

Open window, gotcha. Thank you

[Junkers188]

Hi Guys, First Thank You, for all the hard work the developers put into these Aircraft. I love the new planes. Can anyone tell me where the gunsite is on the Arado? Also how do I get to the dive bomb site? Thanks in advance. IL-2 just keeps getting better and better. 

      Thanks

            Rick

[Hoss]

1 hour ago, YoYo said:

Question about Ar-234, does it have gunsight if I use external cannon pod? I dont see it.

Additional controls:

• RATO ignite                                                              R (Hold for duration) use one button, press to fire and on release, drop packs
• RATO packs drop                                                     LSht + D
• Drogue Chute Release/Drop                                   LAlt + D
• Deploy Mirrors                                                         LWin + C  Can't remember how to adjust
• Nestle to Periscope/Visor                                     LSht + V    puts you on the sight, its also the divebomb sight
• Bombsight Light (Periscope)                               LAlt + M     gives Dive Bomb sight scale
• Gunsight position toggle (Ar-234 rearview)     RAlt + F       moves view to rear of A/C (Inverted reticule)
• Bombsight Target Height                                        Rsht + Semicolon/period
• Bombsight Windspeed                                            RAlt + Semicolon/period
• Bombsight True Airspeed                                       RSht + Comma/slash

Edited June 15, 2022 by Hoss

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

3 new aircrafts in a span of only a few weeks? Nice, and that means the full release of BON is coming rather sooner than later, yeah!

 

 

[JG4_Widukind]

13 minutes ago, JG4_Widukind said:

Bug:

Loft Levelbomb sight: The bomb light on the left(3) is on when all bombs have been released (automatic and manual)

 

You canot drop Bombs (Levelbomb) without Delay

 

If you levelbomb with a 1000kg + 2x500kg are the distances between 1000kg and 500kg too far away. (thrown from 5000m with automatic

 

 

 

[ACG_Bobo]

Brilliant plane, really fun once you iron out the procedures.  Thanks very much!

[Art-J]

3 hours ago, R7-S276 said:

Do someone know why all the new allied bi-motors C-47 (before the future release of the collector plane), the B-25, now the B-26 are always AI planes, in stead of all the last german bi-motors are immediately release flyable Ju-88, AR-234 .... ?

Keep in mind when creating 3D models, devs only had to build one cockpit for Ju-88C, Arado, Mossie and C-47. In order to make B-25 and -26 flyable, they would have to build at least four separate crew stations for each plane. That multiplies workload and production cost a lot. 

 

That's probably not the only reason, but considering how often Jason writes about time and resources limitations of his business, I'm not surprised that "flyability" of these two bombers is low on priority list.

Edited June 15, 2022 by Art-J

[oFlyingDutchman]

47 minutes ago, Junkers188 said:

Hi Guys, First Thank You, for all the hard work the developers put into these Aircraft. I love the new planes. Can anyone tell me where the gunsite is on the Arado? Also how do I get to the dive bomb site? Thanks in advance. IL-2 just keeps getting better and better. 

      Thanks

            Rick

About the gunsite, i'm guessing you get it only if you have the gunpods? since ya know, the bird dont have guns from the get go
 

[Vishnu]

I absolutely love the Arado!

 

Wow, in VR it’s so cool!   For some reason, I thought it would be a lot bigger.  Great job devs.   So impressed.   Can’t wait to experiment more on the weekend.  

 

Thank you!

[Avimimus]

17 minutes ago, oFlyingDutchman said:

About the gunsite, i'm guessing you get it only if you have the gunpods? since ya know, the bird dont have guns from the get go
 

 

The guns are aimed through the periscopic sight (LShift+V). It works well enough against bombers.

 

Otherwise one has to aim instinctually using the tracers... I think the cockpit provides an excellent view for deflection shots... but it is definitely harder to hit a maneuvering target (as the periscope isn't suitable).

[Junkers188]

1 hour ago, Hoss said:

Additional controls:

• RATO ignite                                                              R (Hold for duration) use one button, press to fire and on release, drop packs
• RATO packs drop                                                     LSht + D
• Drogue Chute Release/Drop                                   LAlt + D
• Deploy Mirrors                                                         LWin + C  Can't remember how to adjust
• Nestle to Periscope/Visor                                     LSht + V    puts you on the sight, its also the divebomb sight
• Bombsight Light (Periscope)                               LAlt + M     gives Dive Bomb sight scale
• Gunsight position toggle (Ar-234 rearview)     RAlt + F       moves view to rear of A/C (Inverted reticule)
• Bombsight Target Height                                        Rsht + Semicolon/period
• Bombsight Windspeed                                            RAlt + Semicolon/period
• Bombsight True Airspeed                                       RSht + Comma/slash

 

59 minutes ago, oFlyingDutchman said:

 

Thanks for your help. The only variant of the Ar240 with the gun pods was the proposed Night Fighter variant that was never actually built other than  mockups that show the radar Ant. and gun placement. What a cool plane to fly I love the view from cockpit

[creamersdream]

My problem is that when I select the Rhineland map click on one of the German crosses to pick a bombing mission like a supply dump, I do not see the Ar-234 in the list Of planes available to fly. When I just do a free flight in the same map I can select it in the list and fly. Could this possibly be a bug? Anyone else have this issue? Could you please try it.  I hope I have come across clear on this.

 

 Thanks

[Vishnu]

1 minute ago, creamersdream said:

My problem is that when I select the Rhineland map click on one of the German crosses to pick a bombing mission like a supply dump, I do not see the Ar-234 in the list Of planes available to fly. When I just do a free flight in the same map I can select it in the list and fly. Could this possibly be a bug? Anyone else have this issue? Could you please try it.  I hope I have come across clear on this.

 

 Thanks

It’s not just you. 

[Thales]

I have a technical observation concerning the periscope rear view of the Ar 234:

 

According to original documents for this type of periscope gunsight, the rear view was intentionally inverted vertically, but not laterally. As a result, the pilot could use the usual stick inputs to intuitively steer the gunsight towards the target (e.g., move the stick to the left if the target is to the left of the gunsight and pull the stick back if the target is above the gunsight).

 

In the game, the rear view image is inverted both vertically and laterally, defeating this purpose (this can be easily verified by trying to steer the rear gunsight towards a waypoint).

 

Granted, this is currently of little relevance as the Ar 234 has no rear armament.