Mosquito Takeoff or not.

[Gwoodby]

Hello All,

I seem to be missing something.  What is the takeoff procedure for the Mosquito because I can not seem to get it off the ground with wheel brakes.  I saw someone say you had to map an airbrake of some kind.  Any help would be great.

[Bilbo_Baggins]

19 minutes ago, Gwoodby said:

Hello All,

I seem to be missing something.  What is the takeoff procedure for the Mosquito because I can not seem to get it off the ground with wheel brakes.  I saw someone say you had to map an airbrake of some kind.  Any help would be great.

 

Takeoff procedure is just full throttle and go. You just have to be extra attentive with the yaw as the rudder isn't in the prop wash. 

[Hoss]

If you could map the analog axis of the hand brake to a analog toe brake like you can in the other sim, it would make taxing in Russian and RAF planes easier...... want in one hand........ in fact try taking off in the Mosquito in the other sim.... this one is easy.

[HBPencil]

1 hour ago, Gwoodby said:

I saw someone say you had to map an airbrake of some kind.

Just a general observation but I think the term "airbrake" is causing confusion sometimes, it gives people the idea that the Mossie (and other British aircraft) have those deploy-able panels/flaps that project into the airflow rather than what they do have which is pneumatically operated wheel brakes.

As for taking off in the Mossie, I get her straight on the runway then hold her on the brakes as I power up to 50% throttle, then I release the brakes and gently add more power, that seems to help as the torque isn't arriving in one big hit so it'seasier to keep her pointed down the runway, although I still end up snaking slightly.

Edited June 13, 2022 by HBPencil

[LukeFF]

 

[=EXPEND=CG_Justin]

Control yaw with wheel brakes until you get enough speed for rudder authority. That's all.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

So, this is my technique:

 

10 degrees of flaps, full back on the stick, full brakes, hard left pedal and nose up one full hash on the trim gauge.

 

Increase throttle to about half, release brakes, continue hard left pedal for about two seconds, then gently to neutral rudder while slowly moving throttle to full. Pick a point ahead of you. Try to keep that point centered (it actually helps if there is a cloud to use as a reference) with the pedals. You have to stay ahead of the nose swing and almost be countering it a split second before it starts to move. You can lightly poke an opposite brake to counter if you get behind the curve.

 

Push the nose down to level at about 55-60 mph and airflow over the rudder will be uncovered by the fuselage. You will have full rudder authority at about 65 mph. Liftoff will be about 115 mph but still showing red or pink on the HUD. Stay nose low to about 130 and raise the gear. Raise flaps and lower the nose trim to two hash marks down on the gauge. 
 

Bomb some s#!7.

[Charon]

5 hours ago, Hoss said:

If you could map the analog axis of the hand brake to a analog toe brake like you can in the other sim, it would make taxing in Russian and RAF planes easier...... want in one hand........ in fact try taking off in the Mosquito in the other sim.... this one is easy.

 

There's not much to use a ministick for in warbirds, so I use the upper half of a ministick as an analog brake axis. It just needs an aggressive curve such that the brakes are off when it's centered.

[Dagwoodyt]

1 hour ago, =EXPEND=CG_Justin said:

Control yaw with wheel brakes until you get enough speed for rudder authority. That's all.

That sums it up. I have brakes on an analog lever and pump rapidly right/left as needed. As soon as there is visible effect from pumping one brake get on to the other. Trim rudder to midpoint of stbd and 2 segments nose down. Flaps seem optional. Again, very docile compared to the "other" Mossie.  ?

Edited June 14, 2022 by Dagwoodyt

[Gingerwelsh]

Run up engines against brakes. 3000 rpm should be possible, but it isn't.

Control yaw with full left rudder initially, it will start to work as soon as you start moving forward. Brakes not necessary in any part of the T/O. (zero wind, max fuel, clean).

 

Mossie will never act as real one, when it can't raise 3000 rpm, down the runway and pulls right, at the start, instead of left.

 

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Edited June 27, 2022 by Gingerwelsh

[PatrickAWlson]

16 hours ago, =EXPEND=CG_Justin said:

Control yaw with wheel brakes until you get enough speed for rudder authority. That's all.

 

I am so bad at that.

[Gwoodby]

I did not think the Mossie had wheel brakes....if so I would not be having this problem.  My wheel brakes work on the a20 and p38.  Are they mapped differently?

 

[Noisemaker]

6 minutes ago, Gwoodby said:

I did not think the Mossie had wheel brakes....if so I would not be having this problem.  My wheel brakes work on the a20 and p38.  Are they mapped differently?

 

It's a differential brake, like on all the British aircraft.  One master brake control (on the stick), and differential control with the rudders (not toe brakes).

Edited June 14, 2022 by Noisemaker
Clarity

[busdriver]

6 hours ago, Gwoodby said:

I did not think the Mossie had wheel brakes....if so I would not be having this problem. 

 

Hmmm...power for the brakes...

 

 

How to operate those brakes...

 

6 hours ago, Noisemaker said:

It's a differential brake, like on all the British aircraft.

 

Pneumatic brake, differential refers to getting different amounts of braking between sides (Left or Right).

[Gwoodby]

Ok thanks

 

[BlitzPig_EL]

The Russian birds have a similar system.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

On 6/13/2022 at 11:12 PM, Dagwoodyt said:

That sums it up. I have brakes on an analog lever and pump rapidly right/left as needed. As soon as there is visible effect from pumping one brake get on to the other. Trim rudder to midpoint of stbd and 2 segments nose down. Flaps seem optional. Again, very docile compared to the "other" Mossie.  ?

a. Neither constant braking nor rudder trim is required

b. Nose trim up one hash seems better for takeoff but two down is correct for level flight

c. Flaps are optional but 10 degrees is better for a full bomb load

d. Your crew chief would murder you in your sleep after the third or fourth brake job

[Dagwoodyt]

On 6/15/2022 at 8:50 AM, II/JG17_HerrMurf said:

a. Neither constant braking nor rudder trim is required

b. Nose trim up one hash seems better for takeoff but two down is correct for level flight

c. Flaps are optional but 10 degrees is better for a full bomb load

d. Your crew chief would murder you in your sleep after the third or fourth brake job

TY but I'm not reporting problems with TO or landing. Should be obvious now that there are many techniques that can be used successfully in this SIM. Implementing a crew chief critique module sounds like a great idea for addressing your concerns  ?

Edited June 17, 2022 by Dagwoodyt