Normandy Campaign

[totalize]

Why is the Normandy campaign taking so long to release. Like it was announced back in 2019 I believe. What's the hold up?

[LuftManu]

16 minutes ago, totalize said:

Why is the Normandy campaign taking so long to release. Like it was announced back in 2019 I believe. What's the hold up?

Rome wasn't built in a day!

Battle of Normandy is expected to release in the coming months, probably during the Summer, but delays can always happen.
Expect the Career to be the last thing added, and in the meantime we will be able to enjoy two new flyable aircraft (Arado and Me 410) and the map if things go well!

 

Kind regards and patience!

 

[dannytherat]

It's taking about the same amount of time as any of the campaigns have taken. It's a huge undertaking, the Normandy map is (I believe) the biggest yet, and the multiple twin engined aircraft we're getting are complicated and time consuming to produce to the very high standard to which we've become accustomed.

Also the ongoing world situation has not helped anything.

 

We've got lots of really great content already available from the Normandy module, and lots more should be here in the not too distant future.

 

I know waiting can be difficult, but I'm sure it'll be worth it! ?

[=621=Samikatz]

1 hour ago, totalize said:

Why is the Normandy campaign taking so long to release. Like it was announced back in 2019 I believe. What's the hold up?

 

Errr, I'm not sure if you have read the news since the start of 2020 but quite a lot happened in the world

[ShamrockOneFive]

14 hours ago, totalize said:

Why is the Normandy campaign taking so long to release. Like it was announced back in 2019 I believe. What's the hold up?

 

Most IL-2 Great Battles titles have taken about 2.5 years to complete. Normandy is going to run a little over but then it's a slightly more ambitious project with some extra content (B-26 AI, V-1 plus launch site, more ships than usual, etc.).

 

So it's more or less on schedule. Also.... have you seen the world for the last 2-years? Unfortunately that affects the devs as much as the rest of us.

[jollyjack]

15 hours ago, LF_Gallahad said:

Rome wasn't built in a day!

 

Now if Paris and London are not even on the Normandy map, why would we want Rome there ? ?

[Asgar]

16 hours ago, totalize said:

Why is the Normandy campaign taking so long to release. Like it was announced back in 2019 I believe. What's the hold up?

I don’t know… did anything happen the last two years that could affect a team working closely together in an office environment? 
Also does BoN include a higher than average number of twin engine a/c with high development effort and a truly gigantic map?

[Jason_Williams]

Gee I don't know, a pandemic and lockdowns and a war we didn't ask for. Things are looking pretty good in most areas. We always have unwanted slowdowns, but Normandy was our most ambitious project to date.

 

Jason

[Oboe]

Have all confidence in you and your team, Jason.  Looking forward to having my socks blown off when you are ready to release!

[Irishratticus72]

18 minutes ago, Jason_Williams said:

Gee I don't know, a pandemic and lockdowns and a war we didn't ask for. Things are looking pretty good in most areas. We always have unwanted slowdowns, but Normandy was our most ambitious project to date.

 

Jason

ShOuLd HaVe PlAnNeD bEtTeR. ?

[PatrickAWlson]

54 minutes ago, Irishratticus72 said:

ShOuLd HaVe PlAnNeD bEtTeR. ?

 

They planned for this long ago by telling people it's done when it's done.  I wish I could get the  people that I work for to do the same  

[Gambit21]

4 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

They planned for this long ago by telling people it's done when it's done.  I wish I could get the  people that I work for to do the same  

As a content developer with a day job, a wife, dogs…life…that’s the only conditions I work under.

There’s always another “something” popping up causing grief.

[Monksilver]

19 hours ago, LF_Gallahad said:

Rome wasn't built in a day!
 

Well the government was in charge of the project.

[Billsponge1972]

  I'm still discovering and enjoying the mountains of content already in the game!

  

 

[Noisemaker]

1 hour ago, Billsponge1972 said:

  I'm still discovering and enjoying the mountains of content already in the game!

  

 

Speaking of mountains, wait until we get Sicily/Italy. 

[Gambit21]

2 hours ago, Noisemaker said:

Speaking of mountains, wait until we get Sicily/Italy. 

 

 

That would be a living nightmare of "Hey Devs! 'whine' Why didn't you include this landmark, and this landmark, and this landmark, and than landmark, this bridge, and that bridge, and this village and that village...whine whine whine" On and and on etc etc etc.

I know I wouldn't sign up for that if I was a producer.

I'll refrain from my standard "yay, more 109's" rant.

 

Edited June 8, 2022 by Gambit21

[Irishratticus72]

2 hours ago, Billsponge1972 said:

  I'm still discovering and enjoying the mountains of content already in the game!

  

 

Did someone say the Owen Stanley range? 

[Noisemaker]

41 minutes ago, Irishratticus72 said:

Did someone say the Owen Stanley range? 

Mt. Vesuvius first!  We're getting close to the plane set as it is, plus could prove as a test bed for carrier ops.

[AEthelraedUnraed]

3 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

That would be a living nightmare of "Hey Devs! 'whine' Why didn't you include this landmark, and this landmark, and this landmark, and than landmark, this bridge, and that bridge, and this village and that village...whine whine whine" On and and on etc etc etc.

I know I wouldn't sign up for that if I was a producer.

I'll refrain from my standard "yay, more 109's" rant.

 

Nah, it'll be fine. There's way more landmarks on the Rheinland map than are currently there, and do they complain so much about that? People do complain about the lack of villages, but Sicily/Italy can't be worse than Rheinland.

 

Regarding your 109 paralipsis, unless IL2 goes Pacific, I don't think there's any place you won't get a 109 or 190. At least in Italy there's the possibility to include some pretty stylish Italian planes.

[Gambit21]

35 minutes ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

 

 

 unless IL2 goes Pacific, I don't think there's any place you won't get a 109 or 190. 

 

Exactly.

 

[ShamrockOneFive]

45 minutes ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

Regarding your 109 paralipsis, unless IL2 goes Pacific, I don't think there's any place you won't get a 109 or 190. At least in Italy there's the possibility to include some pretty stylish Italian planes.

 

I'm all for some stylish Italian planes

[LukeFF]

38 minutes ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

I'm all for some stylish Italian planes

 

...powered by Bf 109 engines. ?

[DBFlyguy]

Pretty sure its written in the Great Battles "commandments" somewhere that 109s must be in every single "Battle of" release, if we ever get the Pacific I'm sure they'll include that 109 that was on loan to Japan? ....

Edited June 9, 2022 by DBFlyguy

[Gambit21]

6 hours ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

 

I'm all for some stylish Italian planes

I’m all for things from Italy.

 

But me and my wallet will pass on their WWII airplanes.

 

[IckyATLAS]

17 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

As a content developer with a day job, a wife, dogs…life…that’s the only conditions I work under.

There’s always another “something” popping up causing grief.

Lucky you, but I can't hire you on those conditions ?

[DBFlyguy]

7 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

I’m all for things from Italy.

 

But me and my wallet will pass on their WWII airplanes.

 

Wouldn't mind the Italian planes.. anything is better than more Eastern Front ? still holding out hope for the Pacific though....

 

Concerning Monica "Phoenix" Barbaro.... YES PLEASE

[Gambit21]

5 hours ago, IckyATLAS said:

Lucky you, but I can't hire you on those conditions ?

Oddly I haven’t crossed paths with you at any of the several developers that I work with.

 

[Zeev]

On 6/8/2022 at 1:28 AM, =621=Samikatz said:

 

Errr, I'm not sure if you have read the news since the start of 2020 but quite a lot happened in the world

Yet we have dozens of excellent AAA and indie games that were released since 2020. 
Covid19 is just an excuse. Maybe it can impact recording of voice but we all know IL2 Great Battles has so much voice lines and excellent radio system (nope)

Actors were very creative at lockdowns recording their animations. Just search youtube for biggest AAA games how they were made.

[=621=Samikatz]

16 minutes ago, Zeev said:

Yet we have dozens of excellent AAA and indie games that were released since 2020. 
Covid19 is just an excuse. Maybe it can impact recording of voice but we all know IL2 Great Battles has so much voice lines and excellent radio system (nope)

Actors were very creative at lockdowns recording their animations. Just search youtube for biggest AAA games how they were made.

 

If you kept track of games news in 2020/2021 an enormous number of titles were delayed, usually by several months, often up to a year. Many of these were by big studios with hundreds of people, Il-2 is done by a small team where any single unexpected illnesses could knock out half the people working on a given feature

 

You can build a lot of great software at home but you can't rebuild how a team operates at short notice and not expect issues. Also consider that museums, archives, etc that are necessary for research (and sometimes overseas, remember when international travel was banned pretty much globally?) would've shut down completely for visitors

[LukeFF]

2 hours ago, Zeev said:

Yet we have dozens of excellent AAA and indie games that were released since 2020. 
Covid19 is just an excuse. Maybe it can impact recording of voice but we all know IL2 Great Battles has so much voice lines and excellent radio system (nope)

Actors were very creative at lockdowns recording their animations. Just search youtube for biggest AAA games how they were made.

 

Did you work from home during the pandemic? It's not as easy as some people would have you believe. 

[Zeev]

22 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

Did you work from home during the pandemic? It's not as easy as some people would have you believe. 

I still work from home most of the time.

 

[Picchio]

On 6/9/2022 at 4:40 PM, DBFlyguy said:

Wouldn't mind the Italian planes.. anything is better than more Eastern Front ? still holding out hope for the Pacific though....

 

Concerning Monica "Phoenix" Barbaro.... YES PLEASE

 

On 6/9/2022 at 9:19 AM, Gambit21 said:

I’m all for things from Italy.

 

But me and my wallet will pass on their WWII airplanes.

 

 

You will pass because she's from Argentina.

Make the right choice and you will change your mind...

 

29 minutes ago, Zeev said:

I still work from home most of the time.

 

Not with the attitude you're displaying here, I hope.

 

Edited June 10, 2022 by Picchio

[Gambit21]

47 minutes ago, Picchio said:

 

 

You will pass because she's from Argentina.

 

 

 

I could have sworn she was of Italian heritage...in any case, YES.

[DBFlyguy]

1 hour ago, Picchio said:

 

 

You will pass because she's from Argentina.

Make the right choice and you will change your mind...

 

 

 

According to her IMDB she's from San Francisco, CA. Wiki (which obviously may be wrong) and several other celeb sites state shes half Italian (from her father) then a mix of German, English and Welsh with some Mexican mixed in, no Argentinian.  Regardless, she's definitely one for the eyes!

 

 

[Zeev]

1 hour ago, Picchio said:

Not with the attitude you're displaying here, I hope.

 

A boot licking attitude? Nah. I have a spine to say what I am thinking both here and at my work.
Not a fanboy. If I see a flaw or anything that could be better - I will not hesitate to tell it here, and I have the full rights to do it, as long as I am not breaking any forum rules.
You will learn to accept it, thank you

Edited June 10, 2022 by Zeev

[Picchio]

7 minutes ago, DBFlyguy said:

According to her IMDB she's from San Francisco, CA. Wiki (which obviously may be wrong) and several other celeb sites state shes half Italian (from her father) then a mix of German, English and Welsh with some Mexican mixed in, no Argentinian.  Regardless, she's definitely one for the eyes!

 

Ah, for some reason an italian movies website came up with "San Francisco, Argentina". Misteries...

2 minutes ago, Zeev said:

A boot licking attitude? Nah. I have a spine to say what I am thinking both here and at my work.
Not a fanboy. If I see a flaw or anything that could be better - I will not hesitate to tell it here, and I have the full rights to do it, as long as I am not breaking any forum rules.
You will learn to accept it, thank you

 

Bravo.

[Zeev]

Just now, Picchio said:

 

Ah, for some reason an italian movies website came up with "San Francisco, Argentina". Misteries...

 

Bravo.

Glad you accepted it. Have a nice day

[totalize]

On 6/8/2022 at 10:46 PM, DBFlyguy said:

Pretty sure its written in the Great Battles "commandments" somewhere that 109s must be in every single "Battle of" release, if we ever get the Pacific I'm sure they'll include that 109 that was on loan to Japan? ....

 The Ki-61 was modeled after this aircraft.

 

 

Edited June 14, 2022 by totalize

[LukeFF]

41 minutes ago, totalize said:

The Ki-61 was modeled after this aircraft.

 

Other than the engine, no, it was an entirely different airframe.

[PatrickAWlson]

On 6/9/2022 at 2:15 PM, LukeFF said:

 

Did you work from home during the pandemic? It's not as easy as some people would have you believe. 

 

We went entirely remote and managed to do so with minimal loss of productivity.  We were fortunate.  Two years prior we had started the process if implementing better processes.  Automated tests required, code reviews, higher standards of code quality, pair and mob programming, etc.  We had also shifted from a culture of individual ownership to team ownership.  Finally, we had shifted from multi tasking to priority based focus - i.e. stop trying to do everything at once and focus on the most important thing.  Team ownership and priority based focus go very much hand in hand.  All of these changes were based on improving outcomes, obviously with no thought of the pandemic. 

 

When the pandemic hit we had the processes in place and executed them remotely.  People still had to write tests, do code reviews, talk to each other, focus on the task at hand, etc.  With the culture in place it was just a matter of how and not what.  We already had about 1/4 of the staff working remotely, so use of communications tools (Slack, Teams, whatever) was already a common practice.  It really didn't hit us very hard.

 

What I find damaging to a software team's productivity is a management insistence on individual responsibility.  Management just can't seem to get past "holding individuals accountable".  What that does is it makes individuals focus on "their" work and not on what is best for the organization.  It was much more about changing management than changing the developers.

 

So there's my little diatribe on effective workplace organization  - but really, changing culture did matter.  I am not making any criticism of 1C.  I have no insights at all into how 1C is run, its strong points or its weak points.  Just pointing out the transitions that allowed us to move forward with minimal disruption.