Damage Model revision?

[-250H-Ursus_]

Its been 2 or almost 2 years since last DM revision.

I am curious when is going to be the next revision, i read something a few DDs ago about plans to do a revision after full Battle of Normandy release.

 

In my honest opinion, if is that the case i hope BoN is soon to full release. 

Off course, i would like to talk about what i think about current DM but would end in a list of complains, complains which i don't have tracks to support my arguments.

Anyway is not so hard get tracks of that, but would need to coordinate with ppl to get everything and is a tedious thing, and i think most things i have to say are already been reported.

In any case, i get that Dev team is hands full in Normandy now. So i do not pretend miracles. 

Keep the healthy discussion guys. Damage Model discussions always ends in a fight

Edited May 27, 2022 by -332FG-Ursus_

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

FC wings damage model should be fixed after drop tanks as devs said. This is priority for all ww1 genre enthusiasts. 

[Roland_HUNter]

Yes, Jason said they will fix it.
I think we all can agree, a Hurricane wing what can survive 8-10 MK-108 is a little bit....

[-250H-Ursus_]

17 minutes ago, Roland_HUNter said:

Yes, Jason said they will fix it.
I think we all can agree, a Hurricane wing what can survive 8-10 MK-108 is a little bit....

A lot of planes have some really random issues, not only Hurricanes ?
And they are not the same problems, they are random and not all behave the same. 190s as well have the same issue for example but i don't have tracks, i have tons of screenshots but not tracks.

Later i will do some tracks of all planes if someone gives me a hand. But is a bit tedious.

Edited May 27, 2022 by -332FG-Ursus_

[ST_Catchov]

12 hours ago, 1PL-Husar-1Esk said:

FC wings damage model should be fixed after drop tanks as devs said. This is priority for all ww1 genre enthusiasts. 

 

^ This is well worth quoting at least once or maybe more ....

 

 

[357th_KW]

Hopefully we'll see some progress on this after BoN.

 

 

[BubiHUN]

On 5/28/2022 at 10:07 PM, 357th_KW said:

Hopefully we'll see some progress on this after BoN.

 

 

Not only the 109 wich can still fly with that damage.

[ROCKET_KNUT]

Correct. 190s too.

[PreyStalker]

I don't own the Yak 9, but I know it can absorb an insane amount of 20mm cannon rounds. Unless you kill the pilot, that thing just keeps on trucking...

 

DM has always seemed fishy right from its release.

 

No video but just fight one in Quick Missions and you'll see what I mean.

 

Many planes seem able to absorb too many cannon rounds. It's almost like there is initial damage and then no more.

 

I hope DM gets revised soon too. It's probably a nightmare though to get it right across all the different plane types.

[357th_KW]

3 hours ago, ROCKET_KNUT said:

Correct. 190s too.

 

Don't forget the 110!

[86th_Buzzi]

On 5/27/2022 at 2:19 PM, Roland_HUNter said:

Yes, Jason said they will fix it.
I think we all can agree, a Hurricane wing what can survive 8-10 MK-108 is a little bit....

Hurricane vs an aircraft with mk 108s? Seems kinda silly. Is that a weird single player kink?

[=RS=EnvyC]

In what server are you flying against Hurris with a plane with a 30mm?

[BubiHUN]

5 hours ago, =RS=EnvyC said:

In what server are you flying against Hurris with a plane with a 30mm?

Finnish. 

 

17 hours ago, 357th_KW said:

 

Don't forget the 110!

LaGG, Yak-9s, Hurri, A-20

[Roland_HUNter]

5 hours ago, =RS=EnvyC said:

In what server are you flying against Hurris with a plane with a 30mm?

1. The scenario has nothing to do with the DM model
2. Combat box, Italy 1943.
3. Hurricane was still in use in 1944....

[86th_Buzzi]

1 hour ago, Roland_HUNter said:

1. The scenario has nothing to do with the DM model
2. Combat box, Italy 1943.
3. Hurricane was still in use in 1944....

I'm searching the stats pages of CB and Finnish but am having trouble finding a single instance of a Hurricane getting hit with mk108s in the "aircraft stats" section. Do you have an example of a Hurricane surviving 8-10 hits from a Mk 108?

 

Or did it kill the Hurricane, but your issue is that the wing was still attached?

[CountZero]

Maybe its easyer to list airplanes who dont have strange DM ?

 

[Roland_HUNter]

44 minutes ago, 86th_Buzzi said:

I'm searching the stats pages of CB and Finnish but am having trouble finding a single instance of a Hurricane getting hit with mk108s in the "aircraft stats" section. Do you have an example of a Hurricane surviving 8-10 hits from a Mk 108?

 

Or did it kill the Hurricane, but your issue is that the wing was still attached?

http://stats.virtualpilots.fi:8000/en/aircraft/2308/NO_FILTER/?tour=52

and SP testing.
The wing SHOULD not stay after 2-3 30mm hit...

[86th_Buzzi]

31 minutes ago, Roland_HUNter said:

http://stats.virtualpilots.fi:8000/en/aircraft/2308/NO_FILTER/?tour=52

and SP testing.
The wing SHOULD not stay after 2-3 30mm hit...

Yeah, stats updated after the post. Looks like Mk 108s are killing hurricanes easily, the issue is the wing doesn't fall off. Got it ?

[ROCKET_KNUT]

3 hours ago, -[HRAF]BubiHUN said:

LaGG, Yak-9s, Hurri, A-20

There are a lot of flying tanks in this game. Not one of them is the actual "Flying Tank". But the A-20? Seriously??? Can I have some of those pills too please!

[BubiHUN]

23 hours ago, ROCKET_KNUT said:

There are a lot of flying tanks in this game. Not one of them is the actual "Flying Tank". But the A-20? Seriously??? Can I have some of those pills too please!

looks like you are misguided by your pills. I mentioned tails ripped off and planes still flying, wich is true to the A-20 too. 
Drugs are bad bro

[Hitcher]

None of those aircraft can fly without a vertical stabiliser and atleast 1 horizontal stabiliser.

The hurricane can go a distance before it flops out, then you get the 109 which can not only fly without a vertical stabiliser but can fight to an extent without one.

Hammer the a20s tail and all the flight surfaces will pop off like chaff, if it hasnt exploded yet.

[Jooyz]

i think the correct way to talk about DM issue is to say that there is a problem with both side planes not only axis or allied, and not to take a side on this problem like some of you are doing above.
I have had this kind of moments playing as axis and as allied so i hope we will have an answer about this topic that is important.

Edited June 7, 2022 by Jooyz

[-250H-Ursus_]

On 6/7/2022 at 10:36 AM, Jooyz said:

i think the correct way to talk about DM issue is to say that there is a problem with both side planes not only axis or allied, and not to take a side on this problem like some of you are doing above.
I have had this kind of moments playing as axis and as allied so i hope we will have an answer about this topic that is important.

Personal bias in WW2 Sims is a problem always when this topics are touched.

And personal biases opinions, usually ends to derail the original subject or ends in worst things, like accusations of try to sabotage a side in particular.

That always happens, but, as i said. Is simple as fly everything and do test in everything. Then one notices the problems in the general aspect.

[CountZero]

I expect dm revisions to happend after they finish fuel/drop tank system, so maybe next year ?