Discussion of Sopwith Snipe, Siemens-Schuckert D.IV and Spitfire Mk.XIV w/ Teardrop Canopy Pre-Orders!

[PatrickAWlson]

On 6/3/2022 at 2:39 PM, Avimimus said:

P.S. While the Salmson 2a2 it isn't absurdly fast although, at 185 km/h it is still too fast for the Albatros D.II, Pfalz D.III, Halberstadt D.II and Fokker E.III to catch. I still think the most useful and fascinating French two-seaters for the sim would be one from the 1916-1917 era (Voisin VIII, Caudron G.IV, or even Morane Saulnier L).

 

Pretty sure the Salmson is a mid-late 1917 introduction, so it would not coexist at the front with the Albatros D.II, Halberstadt, or Eindecker.  What is amazing is that, until the introduction of the Breguet and Salmson, the French were still sending those old pusher designs into combat, along with Dorands and license build Strutters.  

 

As for the Roland D.II, it was a lot like the Pfalz D.III.  Competitive enough, but generally considered inferior to the Albatros D.II that they already had.  You can see the clear relationship to the Roland CL.II.  I think the guns were buried, making jams impossible to clear.  The Pfalz D.III had the same issue, fixed in the Pfalz D.IIIa when they moved the guns to deck mounted.

 

The DFW that we already have makes  a fine 1917 two seater workhorse.  What we need more is a 1918 two seater (LVG-V) and, if we get back to 1916,  an earlier one (Albatros C.III)

[Avimimus]

4 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

Pretty sure the Salmson is a mid-late 1917 introduction, so it would not coexist at the front with the Albatros D.II, Halberstadt, or Eindecker.  What is amazing is that, until the introduction of the Breguet and Salmson, the French were still sending those old pusher designs into combat, along with Dorands and license build Strutters.  

 

Ah, yes! You are definitely right about the Salmson not filling the early two-seater niche. The Paul-Schmitt PS-7 was mid-1917 and the Dorand AR 1 is April 1917 for frontline use. So both are actually rather late and not useable for the first half of 1917.

 

I'm pretty sure the Caudron G.6 might have entered service earlier, and the certainly the three seat Caudron R.4 (essentially a longer version of the G.6) and three seat Salmson-Moineau S.M.1 entered service earlier. The Caudron R.4 reached service in January 1916 and was used mainly as a heavy reconnaissance platform (with bombing left to the pusher Voisin and Farman aircraft). All of these aircraft depicted here are candidates and had between 150 and 1100 enter service (see below).

 

The longest serving was probably the pusher Voisin VIII as they simply moved into the night bomber role (upper right-hand corner of the image). The Caudron G.6 two-seater was essentially a Caudron R.4 with the front gunner removed (lower right).

 

The three seat Caudron R.4 and Salmson-Moineau S.M.1 were actually used in large number (probably ~400 in service between them), with the S.M.1 being less successful due to engine vibration and maintenance issues. Interestingly France would later deploy improved Caudron R.11 three-seaters and Letord three-seaters to replace these types in 1918. The overall category of three-seat reconnaissance and escort fighter was never abandoned by the French and they produced over 1025 aircraft in this category during the war.

 

 

 

4 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

As for the Roland D.II, it was a lot like the Pfalz D.III.  Competitive enough, but generally considered inferior to the Albatros D.II that they already had.  You can see the clear relationship to the Roland CL.II.  I think the guns were buried, making jams impossible to clear.  The Pfalz D.III had the same issue, fixed in the Pfalz D.IIIa when they moved the guns to deck mounted.

 

I just looked through the entries in five books (including the Windsock datafile) and I didn't spot anything about the guns being impossible to reach to manually cycle due to misfires. I suspect there were actually openings in the instrument panel to allow the pilot to reach through and cycle the guns. The story you tell does seem familiar to me, but I think there is a chance that we might both be misremembering accounts about the Oeffag Albatros D.II/D.III or other Austro-Hungarian aircraft which had an outwardly similar streamlined gun installations, but which were usually (although not always) out of reach of the pilot.

 

 

 

4 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

The DFW that we already have makes  a fine 1917 two seater workhorse.  What we need more is a 1918 two seater (LVG-V) and, if we get back to 1916,  an earlier one (Albatros C.III)

 

As for the an early war German two-seater - I'd strongly recommend the Albatros C.I over the C.III. The C.III is only 10 km/h slower than the DFW we already have, whereas the C.I at 132 km/h is more likely to be able to be caught by Nieuport 11 and Airco D.H.2 (rather than just outrun them). I believe the LVG C.II is also a good candidate for a slower two-seater (the LVG was produce in similar numbers and also carried the heaviest bombload out of German two-seaters in that era and was the first plane to bomb London). Alternatively some of the 'B' types had modifications to turn them into armed 'C' types... and they tended to be relatively slow.

 

Edited June 20, 2022 by Avimimus

[firdimigdi]

2 hours ago, Asgar said:

Anyone else think it’s time for a new Axis collector plane? How about a Ta-152?

 

Or a Fw189 to go with the new recon gameplay.

[AndytotheD]

For what it’s worth, the Spitfire XIV with a teardrop canopy is an exciting addition. I’m glad it’s coming to the sim, and I’m interested to see if it has any appreciable differences to the existing Spit XIV. 

[DBFlyguy]

45 minutes ago, Asgar said:

Dude, don’t get your panties in a twist. I didn’t say all US fans, I said most and that is simply true

And I guess German fans are actually just ********* that want to live out their Jagerflieger fantasies with more Luftwaffe aircraft, not all, just most.

[MisterSmith]

OK, bring it back on topic. There are numerous threads on AC wish lists and next scenarios. You can daydream over there or start your own. This is not the place.

 

Also, stop taking pot shots at one another. It is particularly galling that the two members on timeout are well seasoned and appreciated, otherwise, who know better.

 

Knock it off..........

[SYN_Haashashin]

52 minutes ago, Eeafanas said:

What else to discuss if there were no development diaries for 2 weeks?

As said, several topics to discuss new planes and all that. 
 

check the suggestion subforum.

 

This is not the place, this topic is to discuss preorders of the planes cited at OP.

 

Off topic posting is against the rules and those would be applied.

 

Haash

 

Edit: Cleaned up the topic a bit more, was that or lock it so..keep it on topic from now on. 

[EAF19_Marsh]

Nice as the alternative Spitfire might be, I don't suppose that there are any plans for a car-door Typhoon? I know it was a minority at best by 1944 but would be fun for Winter-Spring efforts of that year ?

[453=SGII_Wotan]

what units used the Siemens-Schuckert D.IV and when was it introduced to the Western front in WW1?

 

The only version I have seen was Ernst Udet`s  "LO" which he also had on his Fokker DVII

 

I assume the Siemens-Schuckert D.IV actually replaced the Fokker DVII in small numbers

[LukeFF]

46 minutes ago, 453=SGII_Wotan said:

what units used the Siemens-Schuckert D.IV and when was it introduced to the Western front in WW1?

 

The only version I have seen was Ernst Udet`s  "LO" which he also had on his Fokker DVII

 

I assume the Siemens-Schuckert D.IV actually replaced the Fokker DVII in small numbers

 

August 1918

[Ptolemy_Soter]

12 hours ago, 453=SGII_Wotan said:

what units used the Siemens-Schuckert D.IV and when was it introduced to the Western front in WW1?

 

The only version I have seen was Ernst Udet`s  "LO" which he also had on his Fokker DVII

 

I assume the Siemens-Schuckert D.IV actually replaced the Fokker DVII in small numbers

It was a very rare aircraft. It never fully equiped an entire Jasta and never replaced the Fokker.

I don't have access to the Frontbestand now but I'm pretty sure that no more than 10-20 planes served on the entire front at the same time.

It can be compared to the Fokker E.V (incorrectly named D.VIII in game) in terms of numbers deployed before november 1918.

[EAF19_Marsh]

Another Luftwaffle unicorn…

 

Just kidding, the more a/c the merrier and the more cash for the team to make new stuff. Looking forward to flying it.

 

1916 stuff also appreciated, of course.

Edited July 20, 2022 by EAF19_Marsh

[453=SGII_Wotan]

Unicorns are horses with a horn attached, they aren't real, some are multi colored with rainbow type colors.

 

They have been seconded to represent various life style movements across the globe as has the rainbow (I have never looked at a rainbow with child like innocence again)

 

The Siemens-Schuckert D.IV reminds me of the FW190A series, a short blunt nosed street fighter with all the lumps and bumps in the right places

 

I look forward to flying it in career mode 

 

Please note the above is a joke and Australian attempt at humour mods please don't crack the shits

[jollyjack]

3 hours ago, 453=SGII_Wotan said:

Unicorns are horses with a horn attached, they aren't real, some are multi colored with rainbow type colors.

 

Soon to be included with Battle of the Pacific in 2029, alas a.i. only:

 

[EAF19_Marsh]

 

1 hour ago, jollyjack said:

 

Soon to be included with Battle of the Pacific in 2029, alas a.i. only:

 

The ‘Unicorn’ was fhe nickname of the Grumman F29F, serving on the 2027 ‘Infinity-class’ USN CVs that were designed primarily in response to the Japanese ‘Awesome Castle’ series that in turn replaced the Taiho and her sister ships.

 

By a strange coincidence, both American and Japanese vessels used an equivalent, anti-matter based warp drive in place of the previous steam boilers.

 

However, the rushed development meant that both were relatively unstable. During the Battle of Vladivostok, the desperate phrase: “She cannae take it, captain!” Was frequently heard over the comms systems of both American and Japanese carriers.

 

Both sides suffered losses attributed to matter-anti-matter detonations during combat around Kamchatka.

 

The ‘Unicorn’ F29F fighters were phased out relatively quickly as the Incom x-Wing series became available in greater numbers.

[453=SGII_Wotan]

15 hours ago, jollyjack said:

 

Soon to be included with Battle of the Pacific in 2029, alas a.i. only:

 

Looks like Skippy on LSD

[sonicviz]

Any idea when these pre-orders will be released into the wild? Teardrop spit specifically? ty

[BMA_FlyingShark]

1 hour ago, sonicviz said:

Any idea when these pre-orders will be released into the wild? Teardrop spit specifically? ty

Probably later this year, so they say in one of the previous DD's.

 

Have a nice day.