Discussion of Sopwith Snipe, Siemens-Schuckert D.IV and Spitfire Mk.XIV w/ Teardrop Canopy Pre-Orders!

[Asgar]

14 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

Guys, Jason mentioned it being a good recon plane for a good reason. ?

Cause it’s real fast, right? ?

[CUJO_1970]

 Well, no problem with the bubble canopy Spit per se, but -

 

Why put the new guy on a token Spitfire when folks have been asking for this same thing for years for the FW190A-8/F-8 or engine mods to make FW190A-9/F9 even offering to pay for them to support the series...all met with complete indifference and silence. This move really speaks volumes, thanks for the clarity!

 

I'm done hoping and waiting. In retrospect, I wasted way too much time on this series doing that. There's always a bright side though, more money and time for MSFS ?

[J2_Bidu]

Any WW1 plane. ANY.

 

Money thrown.

[6./ZG26_Custard]

I can't really get that excited about these new aircraft. I hope that at some point we will receive a flyable B-25 or a B-26 (or both). It's understandable that it takes more resources, time and effort but the I think the allies really need more up to date "flyable" bomber aircraft for Normandy. I also hope that the rear gunner AI will be looked at in the future because currently they really are struggling to hit much of anything online.

 

Having said that, hopefully recon aircraft "mechanics" will indeed become a feature so that the we can fly recon missions online and maybe even score some points for successful missions?  

[AEthelraedUnraed]

12 minutes ago, CUJO_1970 said:

 Well, no problem with the bubble canopy Spit per se, but -

 

Why put the new guy on a token Spitfire when folks have been asking for this same thing for years for the FW190A-8/F-8 or engine mods to make FW190A-9/F9 even offering to pay for them to support the series...all met with complete indifference and silence. This move really speaks volumes, thanks for the clarity!

 

I'm done hoping and waiting. In retrospect, I wasted way too much time on this series doing that. There's always a bright side though, more money and time for MSFS ?

Including the new teardrop XIV, there's four Spitfires. There's five Fw-190s. You've got every right to be disappointed the newly announced airplane isn't [insert your favourite here], the teardrop Spit isn't my own first choice either, but please don't imply there's some kind of bias at work here.

 

I for one can see the merit of the XIV Teardrop as a nice project to show a new modeler the ropes. I don't think I'll buy it right away, but in a sale, after certain world events have quited down, I surely will

[Avimimus]

42 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

Guys, Jason mentioned it being a good recon plane for a good reason. ?

 

I'm currently talking that with as much salt as possible to avoid levitating due to excessive excitement. If I'm found salted, now you'll know why.

 

Very very intrigued though. Very.

[Asgar]

19 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

Including the new teardrop XIV, there's four Spitfires. There's five Fw-190s. You've got every right to be disappointed the newly announced airplane isn't [insert your favourite here], the teardrop Spit isn't my own first choice either, but please don't imply there's some kind of bias at work here.

 

I for one can see the merit of the XIV Teardrop as a nice project to show a new modeler the ropes. I don't think I'll buy it right away, but in a sale, after certain world events have quited down, I surely will

Oh there certainly is bias,  bias in what’s being put on the store. The last collector plans were 2 Yak 9s, Hurricaine, C-47, IAR-80 and now the Spit. 5 allied planes, 1 axis. There is bias, matter of fact

edit: what are the laughing reactions about? that is the definition of bias: "the fact of preferring a particular subject or thing" as per the camebridge dictionary
I don't say there is ill intent, but the fact is. People who are into Axis aircraft have been on a dry spill, since the big BoX packs mostly have variants of existing German planes and the best way to get more rare and unique planes is collector aircraft which have been dominated by the Allies for a while now

Edited May 19, 2022 by Asgar

[AEthelraedUnraed]

2 minutes ago, Asgar said:

Oh there certainly is bias some bias in what’s being out on the store. The last collector plans were 2 Yak 9s, Hurrocaine, C-47, IAR-80 and now the Spit. 5 allied planes, 1 axis. There is bias, matter of fact

Might it perhaps have something to do with the fact that spread across the various Allied countries is a whole array of completely different fighter types, while for the Germans it's mostly limited to the Bf-109 and Fw-190 - some late-war Wunderwaffen excluded?

 

There's not one plane with as many sub-types in the series as the Messerschmitt. The Fw-190 and the various Yaks share a distant second place. I think we should be able to deal with one extra Spitfire without immediately crying bias, shouldn't we?

[357th_KW]

I’ve got to admit, I wasn’t all that excited about the Spit, but all the NaCl has changed my mind.  Spitfire ordered!

[Ala13_UnopaUno_VR]

[Asgar]

5 minutes ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

Might it perhaps have something to do with the fact that spread across the various Allied countries is a whole array of completely different fighter types, while for the Germans it's mostly limited to the Bf-109 and Fw-190 - some late-war Wunderwaffen excluded?

 

There's not one plane with as many sub-types in the series as the Messerschmitt. The Fw-190 and the various Yaks share a distant second place. I think we should be able to deal with one extra Spitfire without immediately crying bias, shouldn't we?

Did i say German planes? No I didn’t and because you only know about Meserschmitts and Focke Wiulfs doesn’t mean there aren’t other Axis planes 

[-332FG-Magic_Zach]

8 minutes ago, Asgar said:

Did i say German planes? No I didn’t and because you only know about Meserschmitts and Focke Wiulfs doesn’t mean there aren’t other Axis planes 

Genuinely curious now, what other axis aircraft do you have in mind, other than another addition to the dozens of 109s and 190s, that appropriately fits a theater/map we already have (or will, for Normandy) in game?

[Rodwonder]

1 hour ago, J2_Bidu said:

Any WW1 plane. ANY.

 

Money thrown.

 

I'm out of votes so I'll just second this! ?

[BlitzPig_EL]

I can think of only one, the MC 200.

[AEthelraedUnraed]

41 minutes ago, Asgar said:

Did i say German planes? No I didn’t and because you only know about Meserschmitts and Focke Wiulfs doesn’t mean there aren’t other Axis planes 

We've already got a Mc.202, and the IAR 80 and 81 incoming. For the "Battles"/maps we currently have, there's only the Mc.200 that I can think of as a non-German fighter that played any significant role (I thought the G.50 as well, but apparently it only fought in Finland). If you know of any other aircraft, please enlighten me, I'd be honestly interested to learn

 

Anyhow, have you ever had a look at the huge amount of Spitfire variants? If each of these sub-variants were equally likely to be produced as each of the the Bf-109 variants, we'd have a lot less Messerschmitts. Same for the huge amount of P-47 subtypes, of which we only have 2. I'd say that, if any bias exists, it is *towards* German/Axis types, especially *because* the Devs try to keep the aircraft types balanced.

Edited May 18, 2022 by AEthelraedUnraed

[Dallas88B]

Spitfire Mk.XIV w/ Teardrop Canopy is a nice addition...I ordered it today... pleased to support the developers.

[VA_chikinpickle]

10 hours ago, Jason_Williams said:

 

Yes. We hired a new modeler and this is his first assignment to break him in to become familiar with our model requirements. Will make a great recon plane too. 

Jason

 

Hey Jason, exciting news!

Looking forward to the bubbletop being on my favorite spitfire.

 

Sorry if this is too off topic, but has your team ever considered the P38 droop snoot?

 

https://p38assn.org/variations-droopsnoot.htm

 

https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/threads/p38-droop-snoot-pictures.44576/

 

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/showandtell3droopsnootdb_1.htm

 

Might be a cool collector plane and future project for your new modeler.

 

Cheers!

Edited May 18, 2022 by VA_chikinpickle

[S10JlAbraxis]

All 3 ordered.  I order everything that is released.  Even if they released a flying brick, I would order it. 

 

 

Edited May 19, 2022 by S10JlAbraxis

[Motherbrain]

New bubble canopy Spitfire!?

 

[-332FG-SGTSAUSAGE138]

How about a P40F or P47M next???

[EAF19_Marsh]

3 hours ago, Motherbrain said:

New bubble canopy Spitfire!?

 

Totally OT, but that pic reminds me of the time I almost lost my drink when Rocket says to him in one of the MCU films that - compared to Hemsworth’s Thor - Pratt is ‘one bacon sandwich away from a double-chin’. Close to choking on my beer.

 

Anyway, back to WW2 aircraft…

[Irishratticus72]

7 hours ago, S10JlAbraxis said:

All 3 ordered.  I order everything that is released.  Even if they released a flying brick, I would order it. 

 

 

The Gotha? Check. 

9 hours ago, VBF-12_KW said:

I’ve got to admit, I wasn’t all that excited about the Spit, but all the NaCl has changed my mind.  Spitfire ordered!

Comes with chips. 

[453=SGII_Wotan]

Ordered cant wait to fly and fight in all 3

 

Good job guys

[SYN_Vander]

11 hours ago, J2_Bidu said:

Any WW1 plane. ANY.

 

Money thrown.

 

This. But to be more specific: For gameplay reasons we REALLY need another German two-seater:

 

Rumpler C.IV

[LuftManu]

Got my collector! Thanks to the team ?

[EAF19_Marsh]

2 hours ago, Irishratticus72 said:

The Gotha? Check. 

Comes with chips. 

Can I ditch the fries and get a Be2c or an Avro 504k?

[Talisman]

14 hours ago, Algy-Lacey said:

In the future, I would also love to see (for example) Westland Lysanders dropping off agents behind enemy lines... Float planes picking up downed airmen... Anti-submarine warfare and Torpedo bombers. All in good time.

 

 

 

I will be pre-ordering the Spit. I hope that all spit-junkies do the same and help fund different future "tactical scenarios".

 

Happy Landings!

Algy-Lacey

 

Very much agree regarding Lysander to pick up and drop off personnel and float planes for rescue.  I have great fun with the DCS Huey dropping off and picking up personnel in the combat zone and would love do that sort of thing in IL-2 GB.  If IL-2 GB can deliver that sort of thing it would be great if they could do better than DCS by making passengers visible in the cockpit and seeing them get in and out of the aircraft from the pilots perspective.  Using signal flares and other drop off and pick up markers could add a great new dynamic to the IL-2 flying experience.

 

P.S.

 

Dropping off and picking up personnel behind enemy lines happened in WW1 too, so FC could get in the the act too.  See link below:

 

WWI: Behind Enemy Lines by Aircraft II | Weapons and Warfare

 

Happy landings,

 

Talisman

Edited May 19, 2022 by ACG_Talisman

[CountZero]

9 hours ago, -332FG-SGTSAUSAGE138 said:

How about a P40F or P47M next???

First you would have to have map for them, P-40F didnt got used on any map we have, and P-47M was based on England bases not even on BoN map.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Well, the Arado wasn't based on any of our maps either.

 

Just sayin'.

 

 

[Avimimus]

16 hours ago, CUJO_1970 said:

 Well, no problem with the bubble canopy Spit per se, but -

 

Why put the new guy on a token Spitfire when folks have been asking for this same thing for years for the FW190A-8/F-8 or engine mods to make FW190A-9/F9 even offering to pay for them to support the series...all met with complete indifference and silence. This move really speaks volumes, thanks for the clarity!

 

I'm done hoping and waiting. In retrospect, I wasted way too much time on this series doing that. There's always a bright side though, more money and time for MSFS ?

 

Ah, so:

- We have three (3) Spitfires, nine (9) Bf-109, and five (5) Fw-190

- Several of the Bf-109 and Fw-190 have alternative cockpit canopies, none of the Spitfires do.

 

The way I look at it, the Spitfires are down... wouldn't it be fair if they modelled at least two additional Spitfire types before modeling another Fw-190?

 

I think you are coming across as just a little bit silly.

 

As for me - I'm really glad they aren't modeling a Fw-190A9... it means they can hold it back (along with the G-10/AS, and maybe a He-162) for a '45 East Module. More to look forward to.

Edited May 19, 2022 by Avimimus

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

4 hours ago, SYN_Vander said:

 

This. But to be more specific: For gameplay reasons we REALLY need another German two-seater:

 

Rumpler C.IV

 

Agree on the Rumpler, and would also like to see the N24.   Fits the 1917-18 timeline, and a decent turn fighter.

Edited May 19, 2022 by RNAS10_Mitchell

[Monty_Thrud]

15 hours ago, Ala13_UnopaUno_VR said:

 

N0,nO,Йo...

 

Y3s...

 

 

[Asgar]

33 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Well, the Arado wasn't based on any of our maps either.

 

Just sayin'.

 

 

but it operated on them. Which the 112 didn’t, not even close

[Irishratticus72]

3 hours ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

Can I ditch the fries and get a Be2c or an Avro 504k?

Best I can do, but does come with Brushcetta. 

[AEthelraedUnraed]

40 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Well, the Arado wasn't based on any of our maps either.

 

Just sayin'.

As I understand it, Stab and III./KG76 were based at Achmer from late January to March 1945, and Sonderkommando Götz/Sperling was based at Rheine for a while, after some airfield-hopping across the Rheinland map.

[CountZero]

1 hour ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Well, the Arado wasn't based on any of our maps either.

 

Just sayin'.

 

 

It has bases on BoBp map, not on BoN after they changed its borders to have more south and cut east part with base (use at time by arado prototype versions without landing gear). So they can historicly fit it on BoBp campaign, it would be imposible for P-40F and P-47M would have to have airstarts and air finish point on bobp campaign for example for its historical missions, maybe its not big problem if players wont that, atleast it operated in area of bobp map..

[Avimimus]

 

4 hours ago, SYN_Vander said:

 

This. But to be more specific: For gameplay reasons we REALLY need another German two-seater:

 

Rumpler C.IV

 

Ah, the famous Rumpler.

 

Honestly though? I'd prefer an early 'B' series (or LVG C.II) - something slow enough for the early Entente fighters to catch:

 

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

As I understand it, Stab and III./KG76 were based at Achmer from late January to March 1945, and Sonderkommando Götz/Sperling was based at Rheine for a while, after some airfield-hopping across the Rheinland map.

 

Munster-Handorf from late December 1944 (beginning with the Einsatzstaffel), and continuing on to Achmer, Hesepe, and Vorden in 1945 with the rest of the operational elements of KG 76. It's very, very much a relevant part of the German planes that operated within the map's confines in 1944-45.

[Freycinet]

On 5/18/2022 at 4:57 PM, Alan_Grey said:

I have a Spitfire Mk.XIV w / Teardrop at home ?

 

OK, you win! ???

[Kerhuon]

pre -order ?

 

Expecting first to get one day the items I pre-ordered monthes ago ;

 

No more pre-order until that !

 

Wallet not extensible here..