Discussion of Sopwith Snipe, Siemens-Schuckert D.IV and Spitfire Mk.XIV w/ Teardrop Canopy Pre-Orders!

[ROCKET_KNUT]

Well played devs! I´ve done my part, you know yours... ??

[BMA_FlyingShark]

8 minutes ago, timothy55 said:

Done , Just bought all 3

 

8 minutes ago, BigMotor said:

Snipe and Schuckert pre ordered, very exciting and glad to support the team for all their hard work.

 

4 minutes ago, Elem said:

All ordered, with thanks.

That's the spirit, keep it up.

 

Have a nice day.

 

3 minutes ago, ROCKET_KNUT said:

Well played devs! I´ve done my part, you know yours... ??

And this too.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[Ringlett]

17 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

 

The way I look at it... in BoN:

 

They effectively are giving us an Me-410B as well as the Me-410A

They effectively gave us both early and late versions of the Ju-88C6 (two different cockpits)

They gave us a Mosquito FB.VI, a Mosquito FB.VI Coastal Command variant (with rockets), and a Mosquito XVIII Tse-tse.

The P-51B, P-51C, and Mustang Mk.III...

 

So they could've split most of the BoN aircraft (and even some BoBP aircraft e.g. the Fw-190A8, F8, and G8) into two or three different aircraft to sell us. But they didn't.

 

We're getting a very good deal compared to some other sims, and even earlier models - and I'm exceedingly happy with this.

 

However, they still need to turn a profit... their original Spit XIV happened to only have the most common/relevant canopy type and releasing the Spit XIV with a different canopy for free would've taken funds away from other areas of development. So I think it makes sense - the fans of this particular variant can 'crowd fund' its inclusion. The people who aren't fans don't have to pay and can save their money for other parts of the project. Win, win....

 

I don't think it marks a shift in their approach - they've been moving towards giving us more extensive content (somehow for approximately the same price). I honestly, wouldn't mind it if they released a few more minor variants. A lightened Fw-190A8 with some of the guns removed (as some pilots did) for instance, or an early Spit IXc or early Typhoon... if people are willing to fund it, then it is a nice addition to have.

 

Bingo, with the attitude they have towards the Fw 190 variants I would expect the same for the Spitfire XIV. Because the differences between the two are very similar.

I don't understand the combination of Mossie VI and XVIII (or financially yes), perhaps IX would be more appropriate.

[von_Tom]

14 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

 

I don't think it marks a shift in their approach - they've been moving towards giving us more extensive content (somehow for approximately the same price). 

 

 

And some of it at no cost.  Clouds, lighting updates, drop tanks (to come) etc etc etc.

 

The ration of fun:cost is way on the plus side.

 

von Tom

[LukeFF]

5 minutes ago, ATA_Ringlett said:

I don't understand the combination of Mossie VI and XVIII

 

The Mosquito XVIII was developed from the Mk. VI.

[Ringlett]

5 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

The Mosquito XVIII was developed from the Mk. VI.

But of course I know that.
A totally marginal option, but everyone gets sexually aroused by that giant cannon.

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, Barone said:

What will be the differences from this mk xiv compared with the one from BoN (apart obviously for the canopy)?

 

Besides what was written in the description, these late XIVs had interconnected prop RPM and throttle controls and (from what I can tell from researching log books, etc.) the gyro gunsight was standard. Given the date of introduction, 150-grade fuel was also likely standard, since the 2nd Tactical Air Force had converted over to 150-grade fuel in January-February 1945, and the first of the "low-back" XIVs entered operational service in the second half of March 1945 (41 Squadron, 130 Squadron, and 402 Squadron RCAF, namely).

[EAF19_Marsh]

2 minutes ago, ATA_Ringlett said:

But of course I know that.
A totally marginal option, but everyone gets sexually aroused by that giant cannon.

I did not have sexual relations with that cannon.

2 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

Besides what was written in the description, these late XIVs had interconnected prop RPM and throttle controls and (from what I can tell from researching log books, etc.) the gyro gunsight was standard. Given the date of introduction, 150-grade fuel was also likely standard, since the 2nd Tactical Air Force had converted over to 150-grade fuel in January-February 1945, and the first of the "low-back" XIVs entered operational service in the second half of March 1945 (41 Squadron, 130 Squadron, and 402 Squadron RCAF, namely).

Next Black 6 campagin: ‘Bloody Twilight’: 41 Sqdn against the flak-traps and last gasps of the Luftwaffe over the Rhein.

[tattywelshie]

Thanks team, the three of them look bloody lovely! All adds to the variety of the sim.

[BMA_FlyingShark]

Guys,

 

Let's also not forget that last phrase in the announcement "...as we plan for a busy future."

Can only mean great stuff coming.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[=MERCS=JenkemJunkie]

Is this XIV going to have the same input lag in the pitch like the current XIV?

[76IAP-Black]

10 minutes ago, ATA_Ringlett said:

But of course I know that.
A totally marginal option, but everyone gets sexually aroused by that giant cannon.

What is your problem right now? 

Go outside, enjoy the sun, the day, the weather and have fun ... 

Than come back

[percydanvers]

This is exciting! I've always thought those teardrop spitfires were cool but I never figured we'd actually have one in the sim ever.

 

Will this make any appearance in the career mode? 

[Ringlett]

8 minutes ago, 76IAP-Black said:

What is your problem right now? 

Go outside, enjoy the sun, the day, the weather and have fun ... 

Than come back

I don't have a problem.
I'm just unpleasantly surprised.

And yes, it's beautiful out. Great day for a glass of wine and a good book in the shade of the trees. I think I'm gonna turn off the internet and not get distracted by Heinlein.

 

[354thFG_Panda_]

14 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

Besides what was written in the description, these late XIVs had interconnected prop RPM and throttle controls and (from what I can tell from researching log books, etc.) the gyro gunsight was standard. Given the date of introduction, 150-grade fuel was also likely standard, since the 2nd Tactical Air Force had converted over to 150-grade fuel in January-February 1945, and the first of the "low-back" XIVs entered operational service in the second half of March 1945 (41 Squadron, 130 Squadron, and 402 Squadron RCAF, namely).

Would the interconnected throttle and rpm work like let's say a 109s one or more like the p47s? No option for lower octane?

[Guest deleted@188321]

lol nah

[LukeFF]

19 minutes ago, percydanvers said:

This is exciting! I've always thought those teardrop spitfires were cool but I never figured we'd actually have one in the sim ever.

 

Will this make any appearance in the career mode? 

 

Yes, around March 20, 1945 for Nos. 41, 130, and 402 Squadrons.

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

2 hours ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

Going by past behaviour, Collector Planes have never been announced and then later rolled in.

Ok,  just pulled trigger for both snipe and ss.  Thanks for info.  First time I've purchased a collector plane..

1 hour ago, JG1_Hotlead_J10 said:

Woo hoo! Bought both FC collector planes; thank you very much for this! These two collector planes represent another big step forward in FC emerging from ROF's shadow. We now have much more atmospheric weather, lovelier aircraft graphics, dynamic visual damage, well-implemented control rod breakage damage effects, better sound effects, and new aircraft that ROF never had before. Add to that the fact that a campaign is in the works for the future (as well as a new Verdun map + seasonal variants) and you can see how the devs are on the path to making FC a product worthy of standing on its own reputation. 

 

Of course I, like many, are hoping that the wing shedding damage model and the instant-deaths on noseovers are fixed. These are admittedly hard issues to deal with, but we're willing to wait. Waiting has always paid off before and the devs always come through with great things like what we have here today. Needless to say, I'm optimistic for the future! ?

100 percent agreed.

[LukeFF]

23 minutes ago, theRedPanda said:

Would the interconnected throttle and rpm work like let's say a 109s one or more like the p47s? No option for lower octane?

 

Lower octane - not my choice, of course.  It just all depends on how VikS and the other developers interpret the available data. But, for sure, all of the low-back XIVs were using 150-grade fuel when they went into service.

 

The interconnected throttle and RPM levers worked more like the P-47's - separate controls, but unlike the P-47's they were interconnected by the pilot moving the RPM lever to the aft position.

 

Edited May 18, 2022 by LukeFF

[Avimimus]

54 minutes ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

If I buy this can we get a car-door Typhoon curtesy of the new modeller?

 

Speaking of which - the Pe-3 is basically a modified cockpit and an additional fuel-tank - right? XD

[BlitzPig_EL]

All three ordered.  

 

 

[Asgar]

1 hour ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

I did not have sexual relations with that cannon.

Of course not, it’s not released yet. But we all know you will when it’s released ?

[Jizzo]

All 3 + FC2 to support the Team. Keep up the great work!

Edited May 18, 2022 by Jizzo

[[CPT]milopugdog]

1 hour ago, Asgar said:

I still bought the Spit, just like i bought the Hurricane, C-47, and the two Yaks. At this points i bought 5 planes in the hopes that we will get some new German or general axis planes in addition to the IAR-80. Especially the Fw 189 for the upcoming spotting within Marshal operations or the 188 would be nice. Do 217 or even the He 177. It's different. It's a big bomber but less demanding in terms of AI and even the engines can be modelled as just two instead of 4 coupled ones. It could be a nice test bed for heavier bombers.

The Do-217 or A-20G... just take my money!

?

[76IAP-Black]

purchased 

[EAF19_Marsh]

40 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

 

Speaking of which - the Pe-3 is basically a modified cockpit and an additional fuel-tank - right? XD

I dunno. Maybe.

[Trooper117]

I've never thought the late teardrop canopy Spits were beautiful... to me the new canopy actually takes away the beautiful lines of the original Spitfires.

I've got a decent Mk XIV already, so I won't be needing this one.

[ZachariasX]

Nice. Ordered all 3.

[616Sqn_Johnny-Red]

I started skinning 41 Squadron's earlier XIV's yesterday and was on my third alpha test by bedtime...

 

 

With a slither of regret I noted that they had those fine looking cut downs on their later issued XIVs...

 

Then today happens...

 

Blimey! What are the chances?

 

Supermarine, Siemens and Sopwith pre-ordered

[EAF19_Marsh]

40 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

I've never thought the late teardrop canopy Spits were beautiful... to me the new canopy actually takes away the beautiful lines of the original Spitfires.

I've got a decent Mk XIV already, so I won't be needing this one.

Yep, I agree. Prettiest was the Mk. VIII.

Edited May 18, 2022 by EAF19_Marsh

[6./ZG26_Loke]

Thanks, but no thanks. 

[[TTS]OnGrey]

I Pre-Ordered all three of them??

[migmadmarine]

Don't want to read too much into the "will make a great recon plane, too" remark, but it would be quite nice to get photo-recon variants of a few of the types (F-6, looking at you) once the ROF style recon missions are implemented to use on the WWII side of things. 

[oc2209]

My concern for the teardrop Spitfire XIV is one of performance.

 

Based on what we've seen so far, the razorback variants of planes (P-51, P-47) always have slight performance gains over their bubbled counterparts. So, is it safe to assume the teardrop Spit will lose a bit of speed and stability from the elimination of the dorsal spine?

 

The Debbie Downer in me says: with engineering, you never get something for nothing.

 

I'll still probably buy it at some point, because it is right pretty. But I doubt it confers any handling gains.

[=MERCS=JenkemJunkie]

The XIV has lots of power to spare, but as far as handling goes the input lag on the pitch axis is the root of its awkward handling. If 1C takes this chance to rectify that in the FM it should handle much nicer then the current XIV. Hopefully they'll update the FM too, and not just add a canopy mod.

[vadupleix7]

Spit xiv with teardrop canopy! I want nothing else now!

[Algy-Lacey]

6 hours ago, =GEMINI=IngegnerTommy said:

It’s a wonderful plane, possibly one of the best-looking warbirds ever, and I’m sure it will be modelled up to Il2 standards.

 

This, alone, is enough for me. The purposeful lines of the razorback XIV were perfected in the bubble canopy variant, the low nose meeting the cockpit and a straight line all the way back to that huge vertical stabiliser. Also, flying in VR I will be able to loosen my imaginary harness straps and look right round to check six.

 

6 hours ago, =GEMINI=IngegnerTommy said:

HOWEVER, what worries me is that basically all new planes currently in the pipeline, albeit interesting and in some cases quite different from the current planes (e.g. mosquito), don’t really offer new way of playing the game, or rather let me say “different tactical scenarios”.

 

I hope that the WWII side of this sim can incorporate photo reconnaisance as a new tactical scenario. I would love for them to represent the FR XIV (Fighter Reconnaisance)... perhaps choose 2 x hispanos and a camera for the rear fuselage. Fly deep into enemy territory, get your photos and get back to base whilst avoiding interception.

 

In the future, I would also love to see (for example) Westland Lysanders dropping off agents behind enemy lines... Float planes picking up downed airmen... Anti-submarine warfare and Torpedo bombers. All in good time.

 

I will be pre-ordering the Spit. I hope that all spit-junkies do the same and help fund different future "tactical scenarios".

 

Happy Landings!

Algy-Lacey

[Jade_Monkey]

3 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

I've never thought the late teardrop canopy Spits were beautiful... to me the new canopy actually takes away the beautiful lines of the original Spitfires.

I've got a decent Mk XIV already, so I won't be needing this one.

What if it came with PR functionality?

 

I know they teased that in for FC, so it's not wild to imagine they can implement the same for WW2. It might not be available when the teardrop is released but i like to think one day it would be possible.

[Trooper117]

9 minutes ago, Jade_Monkey said:

What if it came with PR functionality?

 

I'd consider buying it if PR was implemented and it was the only Spitfire in game in that role. 

[LukeFF]

Guys, Jason mentioned it being a good recon plane for a good reason. ?

Edited May 18, 2022 by LukeFF