Developer Diary #317 - Discussion

[dino_soars]

53 minutes ago, namhee2 said:

It looks like we're getting a new submarine: 

 

Unfortunately I think not. The guns/turrets don't show up in the mission editor for any ships. Check out the Russian destroyer as an example. You can see the shadows for the turret rings but no turrets.

[kissTheSky]

Mozzie, mozzie, mozzie! Oi, oi, oi!

[BlitzPig_EL]

The BlitzPigs eagerly await our two new Berserker attack aircraft, the Mossie and the 410.

[pilotpierre]

Reads DD, idiotic ear to ear grin appears on face, uncontrollable giggling emanates from mouth region, hears wife on phone to daughter, “you had better come around I think the last bolt and nut holding his brain together is nearing its elastic limit.”

[LuftManu]

Lovely airframe, time to unpack those old Mossie manuals!

[busdriver]

6 hours ago, CSW_Hot_Dog said:

Hopping we will get "Cookie" - 4000lb Blockbusterbomb bomb used on Mosquito Mk.VI?

 

The "cookie" requires the bulged bomb bay doors that were only found on 20 of the B Mk IVs, plus B Mk IXs, and B Mk XVIs. If you noticed in that belly shot with the bomb bay doors open that only the aft half of the bay can carry bombs on the FB Mk VI. The forward half of the bay is taken up by the 20mm cannons.

 

[Ptolemy_Soter]

Awesome work !

Is there an option to select standard or bulged canopy ?

 

Here are the two canopies, (taken from Tamiya 1:32 kit) the bulged one seems to be quite scarce.

 

Edited May 14, 2022 by Ptolemy_Soter

[[CPT]Crunch]

Never noticed how twisted the pilots position is, the gunsight seems slightly to the right of the right rudder pedal.  Those pedals are tight, have to put on some anti-chaffing slacks or buff the corners on that control column.  It don't look like it was at all comfortable for a pilot.

 

Oh, and the canopy, just awful looking in comparison with the rest of the ship.  Like it was designed for some other aircraft and slapped on as an afterthought.  Wartime expedience shines through on this one.

[LukeFF]

5 hours ago, sevenless said:

Anti-Shipping Missions in career mode? Pretty please ?

 

Not to burst your bubble, but I don't think you'll be seeing any anti-shipping missions in career mode. The Mosquito FB VI squadrons operating over the Normandy and Rhineland maps were being used almost exclusively as nocturnal raiders on German supply lines & airfields, intruder missions to pick off German planes, etc. (I think also against V-1s, but I'd have to check my notes). Strike missions against German shipping were primarily being carried out by the famous Banff Strike Wing up in the far north of Great Britain.

Edited May 13, 2022 by LukeFF

[busdriver]

1 hour ago, LukeFF said:

(I think also against V-1s, but I'd have to check my notes)

 

418 Sqn and 605 Sqn flew anti-diver patrols since they were assigned to ADGB 11 Group until their transfer to 2nd TAF in Nov 1944. None of the 2nd TAF squadrons flying FB Mk VIs flew these patrols (at least not in June, July or August of 1944).

[Guster]

A pilot and a navigator but only one girl.. this could go terribly wrong..

 

J/K it looks awesome!

[Irishratticus72]

52 minutes ago, Guster said:

A pilot and a navigator but only one girl.. this could go terribly wrong..

 

J/K it looks awesome!

There's a hole right above the .303s

[SYN_Vander]

11 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

Not to burst your bubble, but I don't think you'll be seeing any anti-shipping missions in career mode. The Mosquito FB VI squadrons operating over the Normandy and Rhineland maps were being used almost exclusively as nocturnal raiders on German supply lines & airfields, intruder missions to pick off German planes, etc. (I think also against V-1s, but I'd have to check my notes). Strike missions against German shipping were primarily being carried out by the famous Banff Strike Wing up in the far north of Great Britain.

 

Well before there was a Banff strike wing there were also Mosquitos flying anti sub missions at least, but I guess that was to the south of Brittany, not near Normandy.  I will at least support anti shipping /anti sub missions in the Easy Mission Generator if anyone wants to try it out  . 

Edited May 14, 2022 by SYN_Vander

[EAF19_Marsh]

Anti-shipping ops off the Dutch coast?

[busdriver]

1 hour ago, SYN_Vander said:

 

Well before there was a Banff strike wing there were also Mosquitos flying anti sub missions at least, but I guess that was to the south of Brittany, not near Normandy.  I will at least support anti shipping /anti sub missions in the Easy Mission Generator if anyone wants to try it out  . 

Will your excellent EMG generate two-ship day Rangers with the requisite low broken to overcast cloud coverage? Rather than the typical severe clear conditions found on MP servers.

[SYN_Vander]

8 minutes ago, busdriver said:

Will your excellent EMG generate two-ship day Rangers with the requisite low broken to overcast cloud coverage? Rather than the typical severe clear conditions found on MP servers.

 

You can already configure cloud coverage. Perhaps I should add an option for cloud height... And you can set the flight size yourself, so two is no problem.

[Motherbrain]

Musky-toe... ?

[Livai]

Somehow the pilots inside the "Wooden Wonder Plane" their quality is not as good as expected. Texture look sad compared to pre-rendered screens in 3DStudioMax. Texture overlap............... 

 

[357th_KW]

5 hours ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

Anti-shipping ops off the Dutch coast?

I’d think the mountainous southern coast of Kuban, combined with some ugly weather would make for a decent “Norwegian coast”.

[EAF19_Marsh]

13 minutes ago, VBF-12_KW said:

I’d think the mountainous southern coast of Kuban, combined with some ugly weather would make for a decent “Norwegian coast”.

Skaragaagkd, errr, yeah. That kind of place ?

[blitze]

Some kind of special - she's a lady after my heart. 

 

Love the Wooden Wonder.

[Trooper117]

2 hours ago, blitze said:

Love the Wooden Wonder.

 

I'm flying one today as it happens  

[Noisemaker]

3 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

 

I'm flying one today as it happens  

I think I speak for everyone when I say, we all hate you.



Kidding (Mostly)!  Have fun! 

[easterling77]

I'm jealous!!!

[Asgar]

33 minutes ago, Noisemaker said:

I think I speak for everyone when I say, we all hate you.



Kidding (Mostly)!  Have fun! 

Nah… no kidding, how dare he fly a Mossie and not invite us…yes all of us. There’s not that many of us on the forums. Flight sim market is rather small after all ?

Edited May 14, 2022 by Asgar

[Noisemaker]

21 minutes ago, Asgar said:

Nah… no kidding, how dare he fly a Mossie and not invite us…yes all of us. There’s not that many of us on the forums. Flight sim market is rather small after all ?

Flight sims, sure, but no shortage of rich old folks willing to fork out a few thousand to fly a classic for a few minutes.  Personally, my life goal is to fly a spit, but a mossie would be a close second.  Unfortunately (Let me just check my wallet... Damn), I'm as close to getting on a space flight, as I am to having a few minutes hands on in one of the classics.  Ah, well, that's why we have the sims.

[Trooper117]

I have quite a few flight sims chaps... there is at least 3 that you can fly a Mossie in  

[ROCKET_KNUT]

Back in the FS2004 days... A ton of Mossie-versions, including a proper bomber... 

[Avimimus]

On 5/13/2022 at 6:28 PM, LukeFF said:

 

Not to burst your bubble, but I don't think you'll be seeing any anti-shipping missions in career mode. The Mosquito FB VI squadrons operating over the Normandy and Rhineland maps were being used almost exclusively as nocturnal raiders on German supply lines & airfields, intruder missions to pick off German planes, etc. (I think also against V-1s, but I'd have to check my notes). Strike missions against German shipping were primarily being carried out by the famous Banff Strike Wing up in the far north of Great Britain.

 

16 hours ago, SYN_Vander said:

 

Well before there was a Banff strike wing there were also Mosquitos flying anti sub missions at least, but I guess that was to the south of Brittany, not near Normandy.  I will at least support anti shipping /anti sub missions in the Easy Mission Generator if anyone wants to try it out  . 

 

Ah - this raises an interesting question - mosquitoes aside, what aircraft were used to protect the bridgehead from submarines and e-boats?

 

I know there were a couple of land-based Avenger squadrons that flew night patrols along the coast in order to attack shipping that strayed from harbour, and otherwise were used to hunt submarines throughout 1944. I suppose there were also large numbers of Beaufighters? Were the Swordfish still in use?

 

P.S. Yes, as for Mossies - it seems that No.248 was operating mainly around Brittany - I do wonder if they might've occasionally strayed onto our map though? Interestingly they had some Tse-tses... I hadn't known that - I'd assumed they were all assigned to the Banff strike wing and No.333

[busdriver]

3 hours ago, Avimimus said:

Interestingly they had some Tse-tses... I hadn't known that - I'd assumed they were all assigned to the Banff strike wing and No.333

 

333 Sqn never used them. Only 248 Sqn (originally flown by displaced 618 Sqn crews on attachment) and 254 Sqn (only as a Mosquito Flight in 1945)

 

[Pollux]

Very good work ?

[Elem]

15 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

 

I'm flying one today as it happens  

Photos please or it never happened.

 

[Peachy9]

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10 hours ago, Avimimus said:

 

 

Ah - this raises an interesting question - mosquitoes aside, what aircraft were used to protect the bridgehead from submarines and e-boats?

 

I know there were a couple of land-based Avenger squadrons that flew night patrols along the coast in order to attack shipping that strayed from harbour, and otherwise were used to hunt submarines throughout 1944. I suppose there were also large numbers of Beaufighters? Were the Swordfish still in use?

 

P.S. Yes, as for Mossies - it seems that No.248 was operating mainly around Brittany - I do wonder if they might've occasionally strayed onto our map though? Interestingly they had some Tse-tses... I hadn't known that - I'd assumed they were all assigned to the Banff strike wing and No.333

 

 

 

As Avimimus says, In June 1944 a Mossie strike wing was formed and operated out of Portreath in Cornwall with 235 and 248 (which had a small detachment of  the Tse Tse). 235 had been on  anti-heavy fighter patrols over Biscay before this in the FB IV. They operated over Brittany and Bay of Biscay until September when they moved to Banff in Scotland.

 

The vast amount of ant-shipping and Anti Sub strike mission support for Normandy was by Beaufighters by the Davidstow Moor and East Anglian Strike Wings (staging to Cornwall). Mossies staged to Cornwall (Davidstow Moor/Portreath etc) occasionally from Scottish Strike wings and bomber command and they attacked shipping off Britany  more the case in 1942/43 - they didn't do Dutch coast strikes.

 

Mossies in Normandy/NW Europe were 90% confined to ground strike/Anti V1 Installation and a huge no (underestimated) in night strike - pairs operating together  with Flares - One illuminating for the other and attacking vehicle convoys - and night intruder.

 

[Trooper117]

4 hours ago, Elem said:

Photos please or it never happened.

 

 

[LuftManu]

A day less until the Mosquito drops!

[busdriver]

6 hours ago, Peachy9 said:

As Avimimus says, In June 1944 a Mossie strike wing was formed and operated out of Portreath in Cornwall with 235 and 248 (which had a small detachment of  the Tse Tse). 235 had been on  anti-heavy fighter patrols over Biscay before this in the FB IV. They operated over Brittany and Bay of Biscay until September when they moved to Banff in Scotland.

 

Minor points of order.

1) There was no such thing as the FB IV. The Mk IV was either a B or PR, no FBs.

2) As it turns out, 235 was still flying Beaufighter Mk X and XI well into June 1944. Their first operational sortie on Mosquitos was 16 June 1944. Notice the ORB reflects this being the first op. Below are screens of the 235 Sqn ORB Form 541 for June. I love the National Archives for making squadron ORBs into PDFs.

 

Spoiler

 

 

Cheers! 

Edited May 15, 2022 by busdriver

[Peachy9]

2 hours ago, busdriver said:

 

Minor points of order.

1) There was no such thing as the FB IV. The Mk IV was either a B or PR, no FBs.

2) As it turns out, 235 was still flying Beaufighter Mk X and XI well into June 1944. Their first operational sortie on Mosquitos was 16 June 1944. Notice the ORB reflects this being the first op. Below are screens of the 235 Sqn ORB Form 541 for June. I love the National Archives for making squadron ORBs into PDFs.

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

Cheers! 

Apologies Typo with IV and it was 248 flying the patrols - since Jan 44

 

i think my point being that Mossie anti shipping in the channel/ Atlantic was quite niche and focused on anti-sub work mainly in the bay of Biscay and western channel. 
 

most of it was in Norway and the North Sea

Edited May 15, 2022 by Peachy9
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[Marcio]

Beautiful aircraft! I hope it follows the same pattern of aircraft physics that already exists...different responses in maneuvers, damage, landing techniques, etc.
By the way, I'm looking forward to customizing the key mapping and joystick according to the aircraft and vehicle to be piloted, as promised in Dev Blog # 313 of 01/04/2022!
When will customization of controls be implemented?

[Hanu]

On 5/13/2022 at 5:11 PM, CSW_Hot_Dog said:

Hopping we will get "Cookie" - 4000lb Blockbusterbomb bomb

 

Well, as 1000kg bombs are total underdogs now compared to for example 4x250kg and smaller I see no use for for bigger bombs until their splash damage is upped to somewhat practical levels.

[AEthelraedUnraed]

7 hours ago, Hanu said:

Well, as 1000kg bombs are total underdogs now compared to for example 4x250kg and smaller I see no use for for bigger bombs until their splash damage is upped to somewhat practical levels.

I don't quite see your point; one 1000kg bomb is supposed to cause less destruction than four 250kg bombs.