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[BlitzPig_EL]

[Asgar]

Maybe Jason misspoke and he didn’t mean plane. Maybe we’re getting a Panther Ausf. G ?

[BlitzPig_EL]

Or better yet, a Sherman Easy 8.

[easterling77]

I would love to see this thing...but imagining of this player contolled scares the hell out of me

 

 

[Asgar]

32 minutes ago, easterling77 said:

I would love to see this thing...but imagining of this player contolled scares the hell out of me

 

 

Yes! A proper German SPAA!

[ww2fighter20]

I kinda hope it's an A20 variant.

A20G/J/Boston IV would be most ideal (if they can be combined under 1 aircraft through modifications), since it gives the western allies an level bomber and at the same time an attacker/strafer that can be used on Normandy/Bodenplatte.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Not to mention the A20 was widely used in the South West Pacific.

 

Just sayin'

 

[Irishratticus72]

Mystery solved. Literally. 

[LF_Zaffy]

I'm gonna make a wild guess. And I'm perhaps over-reaching here but hear me out....

How about the FW TA.152? Its not an entirely new aircraft, and I don't think you can call it a new aircraft as its basically just a re-designed FW190 by Kurtz Tank (hence the TA in front of the numbering)
It would also bring germany up in the skies against things like the P-51s (I know AS variants of the BF109s are coming soonTM but, still).

This thing is an absolute beauty, the true pinacle of the 190s, and I would certainly be up to spending many, many hours behind its cockpit.

[354thFG_Panda_]

34 minutes ago, LF_Zaffy said:

I'm gonna make a wild guess. And I'm perhaps over-reaching here but hear me out....

How about the FW TA.152? Its not an entirely new aircraft, and I don't think you can call it a new aircraft as its basically just a re-designed FW190 by Kurtz Tank (hence the TA in front of the numbering)
It would also bring germany up in the skies against things like the P-51s (I know AS variants of the BF109s are coming soonTM but, still).

This thing is an absolute beauty, the true pinacle of the 190s, and I would certainly be up to spending many, many hours behind its cockpit.

It is quite different. Completely different wings, tail, nose cannon and gm1 system(if H variant). I am sure there are a lot of changes I am also missing but while they share a lot with the 190s there would be a fair amount of work to make one for the game with the differences. I too would like to see them in sim some day though...

Edited May 14, 2022 by theRedPanda

[ROCKET_KNUT]

27 minutes ago, LF_Zaffy said:

How about the FW TA.152?

Number of a/c in service??? Exactly, thought so... ?

[LF_Zaffy]

9 minutes ago, theRedPanda said:

It is quite different. Completely different wings, tail, nose cannon and gm1 system(if H variant). I am sure there are a lot of changes I am also missing but while they share a lot with the 190s there would be a fair amount of work to make one for the game with the differences. I too would like to see them in sim some day though...

It is quite different, in many ways, but its also not a completely new aircraft, or at least I wouldn't consider it. Hence the " perhaps over-reaching here". One can dream tho, and making wild guesses is certain not something that will stop me.
 

7 minutes ago, ROCKET_KNUT said:

Number of a/c in service??? Exactly, thought so... ?

Its an aircraft from the very last months of the war, what are you expecting.... Not like that stops it from being a viable option. Its just the overarching issue with most of the aircraft germany deployed on the very last months of the war. And we are literally getting the AR-234 which had 240 units built.... So I don't see your point here.

[ROCKET_KNUT]

Not my decision to put the 234 into the game. A 152 built in even lesser numbers??? Yeah, the point is so tiny, it can hardly be seen.

Anyway, if the game decides to go from IL2GB to Görings wet dreams, so be it, Amerikabomber, bring it on!

I´m for historical signifcance though and I´ll drive my point home with my wallet, as I used to do.

[Avimimus]

2 hours ago, LF_Zaffy said:

Its an aircraft from the very last months of the war, what are you expecting.... Not like that stops it from being a viable option. Its just the overarching issue with most of the aircraft germany deployed on the very last months of the war. And we are literally getting the AR-234 which had 240 units built.... So I don't see your point here.

 

Ah, but the Ar-234 was operational in September 1944... so it was rare but had a fairly enduring presence (compared to some of the other aircraft discussed). It could also be considered strategically quite significant due to its importance in the daylight reconnaissance role (where a handful of almost uninterceptable aircraft were able to provide information over huge areas - which arguably makes it more important than a lot of other types).

[LF_Zaffy]

4 hours ago, Avimimus said:

 

Ah, but the Ar-234 was operational in September 1944... so it was rare but had a fairly enduring presence (compared to some of the other aircraft discussed). It could also be considered strategically quite significant due to its importance in the daylight reconnaissance role (where a handful of almost uninterceptable aircraft were able to provide information over huge areas - which arguably makes it more important than a lot of other types).

You are certainly right about the Ar-234, but I was just mostly trying to make a point regarding production volume of an aircraft to justify if it should or shouldn't be in the game (which, given his answer, hit spot on where I was expecting...). If it was for me,I would be adding other aircraft first (wouldn't I love seeing the HE-162 or DO-335 in game ~ ), but it was mostly just a thought experiment on a "not an entirely new plane, but different in significant enough...". No real need to overthink it.

There are certainly other more likely birds that could fill the spot, but well, just a thought ~

[CountZero]

9 hours ago, LF_Zaffy said:

I'm gonna make a wild guess. And I'm perhaps over-reaching here but hear me out....

How about the FW TA.152? Its not an entirely new aircraft, and I don't think you can call it a new aircraft as its basically just a re-designed FW190 by Kurtz Tank (hence the TA in front of the numbering)
It would also bring germany up in the skies against things like the P-51s (I know AS variants of the BF109s are coming soonTM but, still).

This thing is an absolute beauty, the true pinacle of the 190s, and I would certainly be up to spending many, many hours behind its cockpit.

no way its that, on what map you gona use it for SP ? its more ikely to be something that can be used on BoN or BoBp maps... since when 1.98K4 and 262 we have are not enought vs 51s ? ? 

Edited May 15, 2022 by CountZero

[NachtJaeger110]

pretty please?

[EAF19_Marsh]

Ta-152 is a completely different aircraft in the same way the Spitfire Mk V and XIV are completely different aircraft. There are overlapping elements but from a developer’s perspective the work load is quite high and it would not likely fit the ‘different model’ hint given by Jason.

 

Also an issue of reliable sources, data, cockpit imagery etc.

[easterling77]

10 hours ago, LF_Zaffy said:

I'm gonna make a wild guess. And I'm perhaps over-reaching here but hear me out....

How about the FW TA.152? Its not an entirely new aircraft, and I don't think you can call it a new aircraft as its basically just a re-designed FW190 by Kurtz Tank (hence the TA in front of the numbering)
It would also bring germany up in the skies against things like the P-51s (I know AS variants of the BF109s are coming soonTM but, still).

This thing is an absolute beauty, the true pinacle of the 190s, and I would certainly be up to spending many, many hours behind its cockpit.

Sorry the pic is a D9 not a 152 C or  H  - you can see this at shorter nose and only two clips of the MG Hood and not 3 as if its the case with 152's.

 

And as others already said - it's very different in technical aspects as: other engine, different boost systems and airframe.

 

Also - with so few in actual service, I don't beleive to much in the possibility that we'll get this one.

 

But hey I'm happy to be surprised by what Jason has up for the future.

[Gunbus]

https://youtu.be/qUuhLD6pQFA

 

[354thFG_Panda_]

2 minutes ago, Gunbus said:

https://youtu.be/qUuhLD6pQFA

 

Despite many visual similarities with the Airacobra, essentially a different aircraft.

[CountZero]

15 minutes ago, theRedPanda said:

Despite many visual similarities with the Airacobra, essentially a different aircraft.

Also we dont have Manchuria map where they could only fit by official acounts.

 

With so many ww2 guesses it would be funny if this new airplane end up as some ww1 crate

[354thFG_Panda_]

1 minute ago, CountZero said:

Also we dont have Manchuria map where they could only fit by official acounts.

 

With so many ww2 guesses it would be funny if this new airplane end up as some ww1 crate

Don't we already have 2 upcoming ww1 collectors? I mean a third one is possible but seems unlikely

Edited May 15, 2022 by theRedPanda

[FTC_ChilliBalls]

I don‘t think I saw the Spirfire LF Mk V mentioned anywhere?

The Merlin 45M is a massive improvement over the Merlin 45 at low altitudes, whilst clipped wings also were used with this variant as well.

 

It would make the plane a more rounded addition to the game

Edited May 15, 2022 by So_ein_Feuerball

[SYN_Vander]

  On 5/13/2022 at 5:47 PM, EAF19_Marsh said:

Spit IX (quite likely)

Spit VIII (I wish!)

Typhoon early model (unlikely)

P-51A (unlikely)

P-39 variant (possible)

Me.109G10 (likely)

Fw.190A9 (possible)

Something Russian (quite possible)

       Nope to all that. 

 

Not much to choose from then if we leave out the above:

 

I'd welcome an A-20 variant with American/British loadouts. Love that plane and with some more nose guns....

I would also welcome a Fokker DVII (au) or Albatros DVa (au) variant ( or DV?) although it will be hard to consider this a different plane that would sell.

A P-40 variant would be nice, but for what theatre?

A Hurricane IV, but again what theatre and the current Hurricane already has a ton of armament options.

A P-38 variant? P-38H, but is it necessary for the maps we have?

 

[354thFG_Panda_]

26 minutes ago, So_ein_Feuerball said:

I don‘t think I saw the Spirfire LF Mk V anywhere?
The Merlin 45M is a massive improvement over the Merlin 45 equipped one at low altitudes, whilst clipped wings were already used with this variant as well.

Yes please!

[CountZero]

24 minutes ago, SYN_Vander said:

  On 5/13/2022 at 5:47 PM, EAF19_Marsh said:

Spit IX (quite likely)

Spit VIII (I wish!)

Typhoon early model (unlikely)

P-51A (unlikely)

P-39 variant (possible)

Me.109G10 (likely)

Fw.190A9 (possible)

Something Russian (quite possible)

       Nope to all that. 

 

Not much to choose from then if we leave out the above:

 

I'd welcome an A-20 variant with American/British loadouts. Love that plane and with some more nose guns....

I would also welcome a Fokker DVII (au) or Albatros DVa (au) variant ( or DV?) although it will be hard to consider this a different plane that would sell.

A P-40 variant would be nice, but for what theatre?

A Hurricane IV, but again what theatre and the current Hurricane already has a ton of armament options.

A P-38 variant? P-38H, but is it necessary for the maps we have?

 

out of 4 new P-40 variant makes less sense for maps we have, Hurricane II is alrady as collector airplane so it would be strange to make IV also collectable, but then again we have Yak-9 and Yak-9T separated so why not, Mk.IV would fit BoN map before D-Day scenarious. P-38H or earlyer J would be good to have. I stil think 190A7 is most likely.

Edited May 15, 2022 by CountZero

[Hien-0_1*]

"... a new mystery plane" and further "It's not an entirely new plane, but different in significant enough of a way to allow us to sell it as a new bird to help round out our stable"

possibly (my guess):

 

MISTEL

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistel

 

PS: was part of "IL-2 1946"?

 

[BlitzPig_EL]

Perhaps the pure bomber version of the Mosquito?

[CountZero]

1 hour ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Perhaps the pure bomber version of the Mosquito?

That seams like good option

[Trooper117]

This is the one...

[BlitzPig_EL]

5 hours ago, SYN_Vander said:

A P-40 variant would be nice, but for what theatre?

 

It was used by the RAF in Africa/Med...  All we need is one map.

 

"It's going to be fun..."  

 

BTW this scene is probably the best "cut" in the history of movie making.

Edited May 15, 2022 by BlitzPig_EL

[LuftManu]

What we know so far:

It's not soviet but that doesn't mean it wasn't on Soviet Service
Is not:

Spit IX (quite likely)

Spit VIII (I wish!)

Typhoon early model (unlikely)

P-51A (unlikely)

P-39 variant (possible)

Me.109G10 (likely)

Fw.190A9 (possible)

Something Russian (quite possible)

 

So my best guesses are:

P-40 B/C (Moscow Theater and that Karelia map that appeared on the editor a year ago?)
A20G (Normandy and Bodenplatte theaters and a new allied bomber yay)
Ju-88S or Ju188 (Normandy and Bodenplatte theaters and a gemran bomber at last!)

I am all in for any of those three but I am going to love it anyways!

 

I think a new Mossie variant being announced soon is not likely as we don't even have the FB variant, but it's still possible. I guess whatever it is, is going to be flown on the ETO. So yeah, I think the last two options I said are what I am expecting.

Edited May 15, 2022 by LF_Gallahad

[Avimimus]

5 hours ago, theRedPanda said:

Don't we already have 2 upcoming ww1 collectors? I mean a third one is possible but seems unlikely

 

Well, as mentioned earlier 58 WWII aircraft since 2013 and only 2 WWI aircraft... would seem to imply lots of opportunities to better expand the WWI gameplay.

 

However, I agree with you. I suspect that the decision to create two collector tanks and two collector WWI aircraft was partly done to gauge the market for such items... to help assess whether TC2 is a good idea or more 'collector' content by getting some sales data. It also works well as these two aircraft aren't in Rise of Flight, and so provide an additional incentive to get Flying Circus (for those who already have Rise of Flight), and with no TC2 announced, having collector tanks helps keep interest in that line of products going.

 

That said, I do see a plausible scenario - that the 3d modellers/researchers for the SSW D.IV came back and said "We could do an SSW D.III relatively cheaply and quickly due to all of the research on the D.IV and would like to offer it as a possible product for sale". It might actually make a certain amount of financial sense to do both aircraft at the same time.

 

 

22 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

This is the one...

That also crossed my mind!  It has a lot of overlap with the Ju-88. However, I think it looks different enough and has a different enough cockpit and defensive armament (and wingtips etc.) that Jason wouldn't have worded it the way he did. A Ju-88 torpedo bomber or a Ju-88R would be more consistent.

That said - I want to believe, I really do.

 

That thing has my favourite cockpit of all time, and having 2x13mm and 2x20mm defensive armament makes it even better defended than a Tu-2 (and more than twice the firepower of a Pe-2). But, really, it is the cockpit that I yearn for. I've reinstalled entire old sims because they have a mod available with that cockpit.

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

I'm going to venture and say the F6F RAF it was in Normandie..F6F Hellcat Normandie-Niemen Squadron

Edited May 15, 2022 by 71st_AH_Mastiff

[BlitzPig_EL]

Not a different version of a plane we already have.

[Avimimus]

 

8 hours ago, SYN_Vander said:

A P-40 variant would be nice, but for what theatre?

A Hurricane IV, but again what theatre and the current Hurricane already has a ton of armament options.

The older P-40 variants (P-40C/Kittyhawk IIB) from 1941 or P-40K/L could be used as lend-lease aircraft in Soviet service from 1942. For the P-40M/N we'd probably need a new module set in 1943 or later.

 

I believe a handful of Hurricane IV were used in Europe.

 

I don't believe A-20 strafers were used in Western Europe (although the Boston III had four fixed machine guns, and some Boston IV were equipped with 20mm Hispanos in a belly pack - as noted earlier). The A-20G-1 with 4x20mm cannon (and later all machine gun) nose armaments was used in Eastern Europe... so that is possibly the best option for an A-20 strafing variant given the existing modules.

[SYN_Vander]

1 minute ago, Avimimus said:

 

The older P-40 variants (P-40C/Kittyhawk IIB) from 1941 or P-40K/L could be used as lend-lease aircraft in Soviet service from 1942. For the P-40M/N we'd probably need a new module set in 1943 or later.

 

I believe a handful of Hurricane IV were used in Europe.

 

I don't believe A-20 strafers were used in Western Europe (although the Boston III had four fixed machine guns, and some Boston IV were equipped with 20mm Hispanos in a belly pack - as noted earlier). The A-20G-1 with 4x20mm cannon (and later all machine gun) nose armaments was used in Eastern Europe... so that is possibly the best option for an A-20 strafing variant given the existing modules.

 

Oh, I would love to see the P-40B. If only for possible Western Desert and Burma campaigns  

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

4 hours ago, LF_Gallahad said:

P-40 B/C (Moscow Theater and that Karelia map that appeared on the editor a year ago?)
A20G (Normandy and Bodenplatte theaters and a new allied bomber yay)
Ju-88S or Ju188 (Normandy and Bodenplatte theaters and a gemran bomber at last!)

 

The P-40 B/C has significant airframe differences that essentially make it an entirely new aircraft from a modeling perspective.

 

Ju 88S, Ju 188, A-20G, and Mosquito bomber variants also require enough changes (especially in the cockpit) that I doubt Jason would feel a need to justify selling them as new planes.

 

I suspect that it's something much closer, like a Bf 109 G-6/AS or Ju 87 D-5.

Edited May 15, 2022 by Mitthrawnuruodo

[Asgar]

3 hours ago, LF_Gallahad said:

Ju-88S or Ju188 (Normandy and Bodenplatte theaters and a gemran bomber at last!)

That would be awesome. Count me in for the 188