LOW FPS, Stutter on RTX 3060 12GB

[vekxor]

Hello, I have decided to write this post to talk about the problem of FPS "stutters or dips" in various situations.
First I clarify the system on which I run IL2:
RTX 3060 12GB PNY XLR8
Intel I5 10400f
Ram Corsair 16gb 2400 (2x8)
SSD Kingston 480
Asrock B460m Pro4 motherboard.
Since the last update I have fps problems, if I turn off my vsync I have a maximum refresh rate of about 160 fps and a minimum of about 89 using the graphics settings in the image attached to this post.
OK for the moment everything is fine, but if I activate vsync my maximum rate is about 75 fps (75hz of my monitor), and the minimum rate is about 53.40!!! when before it was about 89/80....
I have the strongest drops in fps when I ground attack airfields where there is a lot of enemy/ally activity, explosions, etc. Another problem I have is that if I fly (alone or in formation) and I zoom out from my cockpit, my fps stutters a lot, it's like something is loaded in some cache or something I don't know but it's annoying to zoom and what those stutters happen.
My frustration is that my GPU is new!!! I bought it about 4 days ago precisely because my 4GB RX 470 was already too short on power to play at decent and stable fps. I thought that after reading so many posts about nvidia cards getting along better than radeon with IL2 I would no longer have fps problems like the ones I described.
If I've read Jason's post about the new engine perhaps requiring more hardware from users but come on... if 1C's new policy is "doesn't work for you? buy new hardware" then they're going down a VERY BAD path. I'm an IL2 user since 1946, I've been playing IL2 great battles for about 6 years and honestly I don't think it's good that they haven't been optimizing anything in the game for a long time.
I repeat, if the new policies of the company is that we spend more money on hardware without them optimizing, then it is not correct.
Greetings to all!

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

I think that game is good optimized in general (not all of course )some things are  too much imho (like pilot despairing after death, too quickly disappearing dust after bullet impact ground or water, small unrealistic fires from destroyed objects), I have average fps above 100 with high prest, AA 2, 3400x1440 resolution with i7 10th gen  and 1080ti . No stuttering at all. 

Edited May 10, 2022 by 1PL-Husar-1Esk

[THERION]

7 hours ago, vekxor said:

Hello, I have decided to write this post to talk about the problem of FPS "stutters or dips" in various situations.
First I clarify the system on which I run IL2:
RTX 3060 12GB PNY XLR8
Intel I5 10400f
Ram Corsair 16gb 2400 (2x8)
SSD Kingston 480
Asrock B460m Pro4 motherboard.
Since the last update I have fps problems, if I turn off my vsync I have a maximum refresh rate of about 160 fps and a minimum of about 89 using the graphics settings in the image attached to this post.
OK for the moment everything is fine, but if I activate vsync my maximum rate is about 75 fps (75hz of my monitor), and the minimum rate is about 53.40!!! when before it was about 89/80....
I have the strongest drops in fps when I ground attack airfields where there is a lot of enemy/ally activity, explosions, etc. Another problem I have is that if I fly (alone or in formation) and I zoom out from my cockpit, my fps stutters a lot, it's like something is loaded in some cache or something I don't know but it's annoying to zoom and what those stutters happen.
My frustration is that my GPU is new!!! I bought it about 4 days ago precisely because my 4GB RX 470 was already too short on power to play at decent and stable fps. I thought that after reading so many posts about nvidia cards getting along better than radeon with IL2 I would no longer have fps problems like the ones I described.
If I've read Jason's post about the new engine perhaps requiring more hardware from users but come on... if 1C's new policy is "doesn't work for you? buy new hardware" then they're going down a VERY BAD path. I'm an IL2 user since 1946, I've been playing IL2 great battles for about 6 years and honestly I don't think it's good that they haven't been optimizing anything in the game for a long time.
I repeat, if the new policies of the company is that we spend more money on hardware without them optimizing, then it is not correct.
Greetings to all!

 

So you changed your GPU, but not only the model and generation/class of it, you also changed it from the AMD to NVIDIA, which are quite different worlds.
If you make such a change, I strongly suggest to:

- Make sure all old GPU drives are cleaned up and deleted

- Make sure your new NVIDIA card runs with latest drivers

 

- Make sure to leave all NVIDIA control panel settings as default - do not push all options to the max. except for "Power management"

 

- In your game's data folder you will find the "startup.cfg" file - rename it and start the game. It will force the game to create a new
  "startup.cfg" file for you. Change your settings in the graphic settings as you like, except for MSAA mode your antialiasing should be 4,
  because 8 is far too high and very very demanding with the settings you displayed here.

- To run MSAA mode with 8x antialiasing you need very fast RAM - you've got only 16GB and not the fastest ones (2400 Mhz)

 

 

Edited May 10, 2022 by THERION
Clarifications

[vekxor]

14 hours ago, THERION said:

 

So you changed your GPU, but not only the model and generation/class of it, you also changed it from the AMD to NVIDIA, which are quite different worlds.
If you make such a change, I strongly suggest to:

- Make sure all old GPU drives are cleaned up and deleted

- Make sure your new NVIDIA card runs with latest drivers

 

- Make sure to leave all NVIDIA control panel settings as default - do not push all options to the max. except for "Power management"

 

- In your game's data folder you will find the "startup.cfg" file - rename it and start the game. It will force the game to create a new
  "startup.cfg" file for you. Change your settings in the graphic settings as you like, except for MSAA mode your antialiasing should be 4,
  because 8 is far too high and very very demanding with the settings you displayed here.

- To run MSAA mode with 8x antialiasing you need very fast RAM - you've got only 16GB and not the fastest ones (2400 Mhz)

 

 

Hello! Thank you very much for answering!
If I have correctly installed my GPU and its drivers, I have used DDU to uninstall the previous AMD drivers and I have the latest driver for my 3060.

Excellent data on the speed of my ram memories! I appreciate that since it is true that 2400 is already a bit "slow" for the use of certain graphic options.
Also thanks for the information about the startup.cfg and the Nvidia panel.
I will try to do something about it with what you helped me, greetings!

[vekxor]

Hello again, I have done everything that THEIRON has explained to me and I am still having horrible fps in my game.
I have switched from MSAA x8 filtering to FXAA x 4 and no positive changes yet.
I still get a very big drop from 75fps stable and fixed by vsync at 53/60fps when doing low-flying airfield attack missions.
Please I need help, it is totally ridiculous that you have to spend huge amounts of money on a gpu, cpu, ram, etc and DO NOT OPTIMIZE the game correctly, I have been playing it for 6 years and before it was WONDERFUL with my i5 6600 and my RX470, I have even read post from users with older machines playing perfectly fine. While they started putting in "new technologies" patches etc the game didn't receive any optimizations.

Again I need help and I know that I am NOT the only user, I have read other posts here from people with 3080 who also have the same problems as me and it seems that Jason and the 1C team are not in the least interested in optimizing the game .

[Thad]

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[THERION]

6 hours ago, vekxor said:

I still get a very big drop from 75fps stable and fixed by vsync at 53/60fps when doing low-flying airfield attack missions.

 

Hmm... is it possible that these missions are generated by the build-in campaign/career generator? Or does it also occur when you

choose a quick mission?

 

 

If you observe this in the campaign/career mode, be sure to check these settings above - the density of the front-line activity might be a problem too.
Start with "scattered" and see the performance. If good, change to moderate etc. This option is actually very resource demanding if set to max. because

you have battle activities beyond your visual range and actual combat area - the generator will also create battles and combat actions (AI) you don't

see and which are far away from your actual combat/mission/career area.

 

How does your system work, if you select a quick mission on the Rhineland map with 4 friendly planes against 4 enemy planes?

[vekxor]

15 hours ago, THERION said:

 

Hmm... is it possible that these missions are generated by the build-in campaign/career generator? Or does it also occur when you

choose a quick mission?

 

 

If you observe this in the campaign/career mode, be sure to check these settings above - the density of the front-line activity might be a problem too.
Start with "scattered" and see the performance. If good, change to moderate etc. This option is actually very resource demanding if set to max. because

you have battle activities beyond your visual range and actual combat area - the generator will also create battles and combat actions (AI) you don't

see and which are far away from your actual combat/mission/career area.

 

How does your system work, if you select a quick mission on the Rhineland map with 4 friendly planes against 4 enemy planes?

Hi again! I'm playing airfield attack quick missions in rhineland because I don't have much free time.
when I play 4 vs 4 in the air it works great very very well, except in very rare cases I have some fps drop but it is very little since I am at heights of about 4000 meters.
But when I do ground attack missions it's the problem.
I have put the Antialiazing in FXAA (that's how I used it with my old RX 470) and I also have fps drops.
I'm a little disappointed that I still have this problem.

[THERION]

11 hours ago, vekxor said:

Hi again! I'm playing airfield attack quick missions in rhineland because I don't have much free time.
when I play 4 vs 4 in the air it works great very very well, except in very rare cases I have some fps drop but it is very little since I am at heights of about 4000 meters.
But when I do ground attack missions it's the problem.
I have put the Antialiazing in FXAA (that's how I used it with my old RX 470) and I also have fps drops.
I'm a little disappointed that I still have this problem.

 

OK - that's strange because with your rig you should definitively have better performance results. But try this too:

 

- In your graphic settings of the game try to turn off "Construcciones lejanas" (Distant buildings in EN)

- In the general game settings check the following:

          - Map scenery distance: set it to 20km - that's enough

 

 

 

- And last but not least: in the Quick Mission Builder check that you don't have too much ground target (classic QMB) or in the Advanced QMB that

   enemy strength is set to moderate.

 

Hope this helps

 

 

P.S.: I didn't ask you in my first poste, but I assume that your rig is running power management mode to "high performance" and silly question too,
        you are absolutely sure your rig is running with your new NVidia GPU as dedicated GPU and not by accident with your integrated GPU (Intel)?

[firdimigdi]

On 5/10/2022 at 3:50 AM, vekxor said:

if I activate vsync my maximum rate is about 75 fps (75hz of my monitor), and the minimum rate is about 53.40

 

This is logical when using vsync, if it cannot lock at 75hz at some point (even if it drops to 74 fps) then it will automatically drop to half rate to avoid screen tearing. Try setting vsync to "fast" or "adaptive" in the nvidia control panel.

Edited May 13, 2022 by Firdimigdi

[vekxor]

On 5/9/2022 at 2:25 PM, AristocratPanda said:

 

I'm checking in every 3-6 months to see if they fixed the frame pacing issues with this sim for many years. Still no luck...

I'm still hoping and praying though maybe through a total engine overhaul who knows...  

 

I'm not sure if most people really understand what we're referring to when we say micro stutters.

 

Very easy to reproduce:

 

Limit your FPS to something easy to achieve in any situation ex. 60 fps.

Then compare how fluid the game is between a free flight and a fully populated quick mission. Both pretend to have rock solid 60 fps but they're in no way equally smooth.

 

PS: I know the fluidity I demand in modern games and I'm not that young...  

 

 

 

On 5/12/2022 at 8:35 AM, THERION said:

 

OK - that's strange because with your rig you should definitively have better performance results. But try this too:

 

- In your graphic settings of the game try to turn off "Construcciones lejanas" (Distant buildings in EN)

- In the general game settings check the following:

          - Map scenery distance: set it to 20km - that's enough

 

 

 

- And last but not least: in the Quick Mission Builder check that you don't have too much ground target (classic QMB) or in the Advanced QMB that

   enemy strength is set to moderate.

 

Hope this helps

 

 

P.S.: I didn't ask you in my first poste, but I assume that your rig is running power management mode to "high performance" and silly question too,
        you are absolutely sure your rig is running with your new NVidia GPU as dedicated GPU and not by accident with your integrated GPU (Intel)?

Hi THEIRON I'm here again, thanks for the help you're giving me to try to achieve stability in my FPS.
My Intel i5 10400f processor does not have integrated graphics, and no, I have not tried to use the nvidia panel yet, if I have done it in DCS and the differences are really noticeable, I will try what you tell me.
Thank you again!!

[THERION]

On 5/16/2022 at 12:12 AM, vekxor said:

 

Hi THEIRON I'm here again, thanks for the help you're giving me to try to achieve stability in my FPS.
My Intel i5 10400f processor does not have integrated graphics, and no, I have not tried to use the nvidia panel yet, if I have done it in DCS and the differences are really noticeable, I will try what you tell me.
Thank you again!!

 

Any news on this? Did my suggestions help you?